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awesome, thats the best things youve posted yet sinfest thanks

well its only one essay, not sure it claims to be all-inclusive, or a total practice manual or anything of that sort you're welcome everyone!

lol my religion advises to avoid extreme points of view like the one in the OP otherwise i might be inclined to delude myself into thinking i was a great sage and could figure out the truth all on my own

the placing of concepts into a box only happens when one fails to realize the reality beyond concepts. If one thinks that the concept is the reality, they are in a box. If one realizes that the concept is only representational of an indescribable reality, they are out of the box, even if they have opinions. Some people choose not to talk and that is fine, i feel that they are strong in their practice and have good ideals. And some people (like us lol) choose to talk. That is also fine. Taking the stance that "oh well you used words to describe that so you are therefore wrong" LOL has the potential to be the ultimate daoist cop-out. Believe me, some people actually do a lot of work and searching within the context of language!

shulgin is amazing, maybe i will pick that up, thanks for the recommendation!

yeah thanks clarity. Any issue is deeper than you can ever get by talking about it, which is just a verbal construct representing what you're talking about, not the thing itself. But that fact doesn't negate the benefit that can come out of the use of ideas. Talking about human nature is as far removed from human nature as talking about anything else is from that thing, but that doesn't mean that no good can come of talking about things. In the end, i agree with you, but i also talk about things. I am not caught up in an extreme need for purity of conversation because there is no such thing. Conversation by its nature is just inherently removed from what it represents. So taking that into account, i still talk about things. I think we are talking about the same thing though, humanity and basic nature. Perhaps using phraseology that arises in buddhist thought turns some people off lol but thats their problem not mine. Thanks for expanding on your point

right, here is the file Daoist Internal Alchemy - Michael Winn.doc

i vacillate between respect for leary and resentment. He really contributed to the government clamping down on lsd in his own way. He made a lot of noise, and i think he thought he was a lot more enlightened than he really was, and that his followers tend to think that too. That being said, i love smi2le too (which is, for everyone who isnt familiar with it, a formula for human evolution, which states that three biological imperative drive the human race. they are Space Migration, Increased Intelligence, and Life Extension SMIILE) a good point, i have to agree w you as to RAW, yes me too, very influential, one of my all time favorite geniuses... prometheus rising, illuminatus, sex and drugs (and magick), quantum psychology, new inquisition, and all of his works that i have read (which may not actually be all of them but it seems like i have read 15 or 20 of his books... he has written plays and other things too, for playboy and other publications that i haven't read) anyway all his works have been terribly influential to my developing mind. I agree with you about the benefits of LSD, and being one of those who dove headfirst into the world of drugs, psychedelics, mind expansion, entheogens, neo-shamanism, and the like, only to find out that those plants don't really like tourists, and ultimately to be guided away from them (by them) into the realm of natural mind expansion via yoga and meditation and conscious living, i must say that i owe much to lysergic, lysergol, and all the various ergoline and tryptamine (and their relatives and friends) plant help that is there for us. So on one hand, i respect the need to dabble and experiment, and on the other, my point of view comes out of no small amount of experience with said subject. In the end, its just a point of view, and i hope nobody takes it too seriously, unless they need to or it does them good to. Theres two sides to every story but i still believe ardently that if a person isn't forming a relationship with those plants or compounds based on sacredness they are risking too much to roll dice with. Thats pretty much it in a nutshell.

thanks for pointing that out. I meant to say that that research has been used to justify dangerous "exploration" and drug use, not that it was born out of it (which it was incidentally but that wasnt my point) or that that is all its good for (its great theory, really applicable to experience in all kinds of mindsets including a sober one) on the whole i tend to find that leary and mckenna paint a onesided (drugs) picture of psychonautics, and delve into dangerous territory setting a bad example the whole way. Those substances arent really recreational, theres a lot more than set and setting to take into account if you are going to ingest a hallucinogen or an entheogen. so i appreciate your point of view, and i love Dr Wilson, i've read all his books. I also really love a lot of the original harvard lsd research crowd (ralph metzner and john c lilly are awesome and of course there is ram das, whose smile speaks for itself) so to clarify i didnt mean to knock the theory itself, just the lifestyle of trying to use substances to open up those gates instead of putting the work in and doing it the natural way

sadly the mayan calendar continues and the gregorian one will most likely do the same besides tulku pops up every couple months just to mouth off until he gets banned then he creates a new username and starts all over again.. lol he's like herpes

you don't have long to wait, soon he'll be back to wonder why he didnt evaporate into the 9th dimension on december 21 2012 and regale us with stories of bigotry and self loathing thinly disguised as spiritual diatribes and troll

quick! full lotus everyone!

awesome!

oh and if youre asking me, yes, horse stance and zhan zhuang of all kinds are great practice.. keep it up

kung fu is awesome.. learn the basics my friend.. it takes a lifetime to really master martial arts ask sinfest about horse stance. he loves it! if it were a woman he would marry it. shit if it were a horse he would marry it and maybe ask your kung fu teacher about internal arts like taiji or qigong in your area

there are lots of reasons to discuss things beyond the reason that one believes ones point of view to be infallible. which of course no point of view is. but thats a different discussion. thank you for your contribution to the thread, but i will wait for clarity to answer my questions

are you saying that humans do not have a basic nature? or that our nature is not basic? or something else? how do you distinguish between what i am calling basic human nature and what you are calling humanity? it seems merely semantic to me, thanks for clarifying

can you find a teacher of qigong or taiji (or both) in your area? thats really the way to go

if any of you use last.fm my username is "beastlystank" friend me!

Godspeed You! Black Emperor Sleep from Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven

i was totally going to point out that that sort of "death" isnt death at all really but i forgot, thanks for citing that passage, it makes a big difference. especially when people start getting caught up in "buddhism vs daoism!" and think that daoism must be better because all daoists live forever while all buddhists just die. I sense that sort of oversimplification all the time.. lol... but not pointing fingers, it doesnt matter really.

you're most welcome ish!

thanks, i was going to but i wasnt sure that it was legit to do so

thanks simple jack, i appreciate your point of view. I don't want to pass on a mistaken version of the dharma at all.. i strive for clear understanding. Yes as you note, emptiness is a slippery concept best to you, and thank you for pointing out those sutras

yeah i dont like that