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its not that concepts aren't useful, its just that people get addicted to them and can't put them down. Being able to exist without projecting ones own imputed terms onto everything they see is much more freeing than being bogged down in the psychic detritus of ones labels and judgements. and being without concepts is useful too! for example, when we see a cup we think "cup" and immediately all the ideas about cups come to mind, and we are filled with knowledge about cups if we want, or the desire for tea (or coffee lol) and so on and so forth, and this all happens in a moment, the second after we see the cup all this happens. But if we can see the cup and not label it, not begin to slide down the chute of discursive mental activity, then we are not only free of all that mental muck regarding cups, but we can begin to see the cup with fresh eyes, like an alien who just landed and didn't know anything about cups, and perhaps was looking at a teacup for the first time. What would that alien think of it? So it is also useful because we can step outside the boundaries of our own conditioning, and maybe find that the cup would make a beautiful planter for a seedling that we are cultivating or a useful container to put our screws in or something that had nothing to do with tea or coffee. So its not that concepts are evil or need to be abandoned per se, but i think its the attachment to them that needs to be severed in order to view the world with a fresh sense of inquisitiveness and exploration. Those things build the vital force in us and give life an awesome flavor, instead of the stale flavor that comes from the conditioned behavior based on what we think we know. Knowledge is so limited in that regard.

hi aaron yes as my previous comment mentioned, what you're describing is well within the understanding of several of the paths that aren't daoist, like madhyamaka in buddhism. Buddha didn't really point it out as much as nagarjuna did later, but i guess you can only say so much in 45 years anyway, your philosophical stance isn't scarring, its the ego drama that accompanies it that i was commenting on best to you

lol presumptuous much? heal myself of what? do you have any experience with kundalini? you sound like you've only read a wikipedia article. yes kundalini makes people happy, but you would know that if you educated yourself on the subject. i dont suppose i will go on explaining it to you, since you seem to have everything you need in qigong, enough to deride other forms of life energy even! wow there is more to the story than the tip of the iceberg that you think you know. and what does shared psychosis have to do with kundalini anyway? let me guess, you have no experience with this? edit: you may benefit from looking into the difference between "kundalini" and "kundalini psychosis". And this forum will benefit from you not trying to give advice about things you don't know about. thanks and blessings

i like your posts lately sinansencer, thanks for sharing

yeah i always liked seth's contributions, and i love ttb for the same reasons! youre welcome

i have too much apathy to do such a thing

i was feeling joyful before at being in the company of practitioners and aspirants then i read this thread and got sad i will not be sad forever and am mostly just joking really although these drama-based conversations about spirituality are truly a train wreck i don't really care that much thanks for your concern tho

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lol thanks

its like a train wreck i want to leave taobums without paying attention to this thread but i had to look and now im scarred

mmm violence. that wouldn't prove that he was a program or anything of the sort how about cultivating some stillness and deep insight so that you can look into the issue yourself

qigong and kundalini are two different worlds. And you can't just turn kundalini off by visualizing gates closing. Thats inaccurate. How much do you actually know about kundalini? I'm glad you have confidence in your qigong grandmaster p but please give accurate information to those that need help. @knoob - i will get back to you when i find a good post on shaking practice edit: heres a good place to start - http://thetaobums.co...lini-practices/

in other words i only have kriyas when i want to have kriyas, but i want to have them and make time for them every day.

it gets better lol i still have kriyas when i do kuji-in meditation or any kundalini meditation, but it happens now more because i make a space for the kundalini to move on its own and just let go and shake it out, moreso than before, which was pretty much just kundalini having its way with me. I had a strong darshan with it in my near death experience.. i was actually moments away from being completely absorbed in the light, it surrounded me in all directions, and i had put my arm into it up to the elbow and it crept up my arm and into my chest, so it wasn't like i just saw the light and that wakened me, which can happen. I was almost submerged in the light and it was very intense and beginning to unwind me. I am not sure but i believe that it might be because i touched it that i was able to extract myself from the bardo at the very last second before it had me. So in its absorptive intensity, im not sure it gets much more intense than that. Anyway, for one reason or another, i had a really strong blast of it, and i have had kriyas like you wouldn't believe. Nutty stuff, like i can relate to muktananda when he said his would shake his head around so bad he could see his back. And i still get some little tensions that let me know i better crack my back or my neck or K is gonna do it for me in a minute, so i don't think that goes away until I'm totally clear of obstructions. Til then, K is gonna clear me out. I will say that meditating every day and having a dedicated shaking practice is the best thing from my point of view. Doing that stopped a lot of the spontaneous jolts, like falling asleep on the bus only to jump out of my skin and freak everyone out when K manifested... hahaha and its so nutty because i had no idea it was kundalini, which is what muktananda says, that when you have a story to tell yourself its all right, like he could see his back cause he looked like the little girl in the exorcist when K was having its way with him, but he was like "oh its kundalini, the divine mother, how awesome"... i was just like "oh a back spasm i must be insane" LOL! so just do your best to manage the kriyas, they will stop when you're free, or when K decides to stop, but i hope for your sake that its when youre free edit: i practice kuji-in every day which almost always gets deep and wild, and induce kriyas intentionally cause i've learned to love it. Its like an awesome tension is releasing... Mark Griffin says that the kundalini is actually dissolving samskaras (bits and bytes of karmic data) into nothingness and that the "blockage" that is cleared by the kriya is actually ones personal karma just getting "spooled off" unwinding instead of accumulating. So kriyas are wonderful, i know they are awkward and i hate having them like on the bus or something but it is the mothers intention for my life so i just bow to it. It is liberation. 15 years later, i have almost no blockages, when i woke my kundalini i was SO obstructed.. i was a different person.. almost dying was the best thing that ever happened to me, and the light of K has guided me to such healing and spiritual growth. So have a kriya... freak out... dont worry... As Mark says "once you get shaktipat all your problems are basically over, taking into consideration what real problems are... " lol

there are thousands of chakras, the seven chakra system is just the main chakras on the most important subtle nerve in the body. ajna and sahasrara are each also complexes of multiple different chakras. I recommend Goswami's Layayoga for a good map, heres a pic from that book (of ajna)

you're welcome. yes my kundalini is alive and well i had a near death experience that jolted me awake almost 15 years ago, but didn't know til a short while ago much about kundalini or why i was having spontaneous jolts or mystical and psychic experiences. I just thought i was psychic and that went along with being crazy. So i am glad to help anyone who is dealing with that energy to figure out what is going on and try to manage it, since my experience was so completely chaotic and terrifying

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i hear you too marbles, yes nature does some outright disturbing things. good points, and great point oldgreen, thanks

LOL i don't personally like to use the language of "cosmic" self or self with a capital S, which does sound woowoo from a certain point of view. Its just how a lot of yogic thought tends to put it, so i just adopt that language sometimes. Personally i would say that the idea of self as separate from anything else just gradually falls away and one is left with the experience of identifying with all-that-is (i am THAT) or with ones own suchness or buddha-nature, or with nothing at all, or with the dao, etc. It really depends upon one's indoctrination and practices what they will find when they leave their small idea of self behind, if you ask me. I lean towards the idea of not trying to label it myself, so all those words are only useful to a point then you have to leave them behind and just rest in the beauty of the moment, beyond discursive thoughts and labels/judgements etc. There are people from all paths and faiths who accomplish that, so its not really limited in a sectarian sense. I had the same experience with KAP (asked some questions, got no response) i guess those guys are busy.

how much of the disharmony in question is caused by nature? or the universe or whathaveyou... and how much is caused by human ignorance delusion greed, etc? i don't see nature as being out of balance at all, while i see humans as being perpetually out of balance with their own ecosystems and environments, not to mention each other. I don't agree with the people that say "theres no problem everythings perfect" thats easy to say when youre country isn't being carpet bombed and there aren't drone strikes on the civilians in your neighborhood. For many people life is out of balance, sorry to break it to you. Harmony does not reign supreme.

yeah i do have a prejudicial attitude against television don't i?! damn you idiot box damn you

as the kundalini acts in the body, many people report (over the course of years) that the individual self and the cosmic Self merge, like a drop of water that is poured into the ocean and becomes one with it. The individual self is what people commonly mean by "ego" so i hope that answers your question. suppressing thoughts and traits can be counterproductive. Be who you are... as Mark Griffin said, "don't be spiritual..... you'll look silly. Just be a person" ...just be yourself in a natural way, and as the light of the kundalini acts in your body energy and mind you will naturally evolve towards awakenment and liberation. i think the best thing to do is just meditate every day, develop a spiritual practice based on Mark Griffin's Deepen Your Practice program, Swami Satyananda Saraswati or Sivananda's kundalini yoga, Yogi Bijhan's kundalini yoga classes, which can be found in a surprising number of places, or Glenn Morris' Kundalini Awakening Program, which a lot of people here can help you connect with. But establish a practice and work with raising and cycling that energy every day, it will help it not be so chaotic and spastic

your life will be so much better without cable tv real life is a blast... i recommend it to everyone

that taoist yoga book is some pretty serious stuff. I'm glad you didn't hurt yourself too badly. At least you learned a great lesson about needing a teacher for that sort of thing, and you didnt blow out your third eye! and im glad you're practicing from SSS's book, i like that stuff a lot better than yogi bijhan<sp>'s K yoga sounds like youre on the right track, best wishes to you

sounds like youre describing emptiness from a madhyamaka perspective i won't tell anyone