konchog uma

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@magic, iboga can help clear peoples minds and resolve their issues but i dont think its going to return his kundalini to a dormant state. there are a lot of stories about people who try to use plant helpers to manage their K and its almost %100 bad. From what i have read it is totally recommended against. So unless you have some specific information about success with kundalini specifically, and iboga, i am not sure that its a panacea that will help with every issue you put before it. In other words, your one person who came to your teacher was helped mentally, but he didn't want to revert his K back to a dormant state. I don't think entheogens will do that. actually from everything expressed here, i have an intuitive sense that mike 134 has just awakened their kundalini and like not broken said, hes gonna have to deal with it. but of course, how can i be sure.. i can't just an intuition

i know.. he wants to think he understands EB but he doesnt want to actually read a book on it, he just wants the cliffsnotes so he can convince himself that he has some more theoretical knowledge than he had before. find a teacher, read a book, sorry that people have to actually work to get results, and that people have busy lives and can't type out long replies to your inane questions CD. If you want to know about EB read a book about EB. its too complex for me to type out for your bogus ego enjoyment, as i mentioned previously.

entheogens will not stop your kundalini and might aggravate it to a more awakened, and possible less stable state. The best thing to do is let it run its course, and if you want to quit having shakes and flashes and associated symptoms, i don't know what to tell you. I suggest a regimen of meditation and shaking, combined with as clean a lifestyle as you can muster. This includes diet, environment, use of sacramental substances, etc. Read about "kundalini syndrome" on wikipedia here. I agree with suninmyeyes, those plants and compounds will not help you. I repeat, they contain the possibility of making it very much worse. Some people can awaken K with entheogens, purposefully or accidentally, whether used or abused, and it tends to be unstable and generally very difficult for these people. I wish you success in managing it. Blessings

exactly. all after obviously not having read the text we're talking about in the first place, and glossing over the recommendation to do so with a silly "why don't you tell me everything it says about breathing instead" btw CD nobody lost their cool, im just done talking to you about it. cool as a cucumber.

from a buddhist point of view, the 2nd turning of the wheel of dharma taught basically that consciousness was not eternal, that it arose and passed, and even the big mind is interpreted as being subject to cycles. So mahayana generally takes as its maxim this interpretation of reality but some schools, like vajrayana, who work mostly from the 3rd turning, say that consciousness is in fact eternal because it is uncreated. They say that it exists spontaneously in the void so it never arose and will never pass. So even if an individuals consciousness enters some kind of null state, which is rare even in deep sleep, but nonetheless possible given the right conditions, mind as such or consciousness as a phenomena is actually eternal. any hardcore buddhist scholars out there who are inclined to correct any misapprehension on my part can suck eggs. doh! oops wait, i mean feel free to point out the inevitable errors in my understanding, i appreciate it

yeah it looks legit the movie is by the people who produced borat, my gf says http://kumaremovie.com/

oh im done talking about it so don't you worry your big head

thank you seth chidragon, read the book yourself. i don't remember everything it said about breathing.

Those are very powerful practices, and i am not a beginner, so everyone who wants to get their feet wet (or their third eyes) be careful what you wish for. I had a bad reaction to them, but respect that they work for others. Not my cuppa at all, but thats all i have to add to the kunlun conversation. my main reason for posting is to let you know, trunk, that when i click on "om mani peme hung" at the bottom of your posts, i get a link that says i don't have permission to view that. fyi

i can say you are wrong in the first place because you said that EB is just a fancy name for deep abdominal breathing, just adding an exotic word to breathing in order to sell books. So that is actually incorrect. That is why i said you are wrong. There is a lot of unique character to EB but it involves the central channel or thrusting vessel and the mud pill palace point as well as the true dan tien. More specifically the point at the middle of the true dan tien which is yang within yin. When i found mine it was a neat little starburst like a firework perpetually going off. Its a very interesting point in the energetic anatomy to work with. And the mud pill palace point is in the middle of the UDT, its yin within yang, and is even harder to find, although my qigong teacher gave me a technique he learned from dr yang, which is to MMMMMMMM and let the vibrations fill the head and brain and as the MMMM dies down the last place to vibrate is the mud pill point. There is no fireworks there because it is subtle and receptive.. harder to feel yin than yang, as you may know. Anyway once a practitioner has established those points and the connection between them, the practice deepens until one is able to breathe with their energy body as well as their physical body (in unison) and then if one can go that deep, they can breath just with their energy body. There is a lot more to it than that, that is the briefest of summations of a very thick and complex book, but i recommend the book as a very interesting way to study some obscure chinese texts that dr yang dug out of the archives. Its also a lot easier to learn if you have a teacher who has successfully practiced the technique teach you, since the book doesn't actually give a step by step breakdown the way westerners like lol... its just a lot of translations of the old texts that deal with embryonic breathing and one is left to sort of figure it out in many ways. Thats one of the main criticisms of the book taht i have heard. That and that the preliminary practices take about 8 months to establish, so its not something one can just up and do right away, even if they do glean the method in little time. Anyway, its a lot deeper than just breathing, which was my point. I highly recommend picking up a copy of the book, all the texts are in chinese and english so you can read for yourself CD, i think it would be a great read for you. best

yeah. like i said, i don't think you've read the book. you'd like it for all the old chinese texts in it. its a neat book. but if you think embryonic breathing is dr. yang's snake oil, you're wrong. thats all.

really interesting melanie, thanks for sharing do you find that you relate to your kidneys or your bone marrow as the root of your jing now?

i don't think youve ever read the book chidragon. embryonic breathing is a lot different than just "deep abdominal breathing" fyi

i see why you ask, it doesn't really say what the technique does, except in a vague way. thanks everyone for correcting me, i had never heard of that technique from an energetic point of view

where were you reading it? and what were you reading about it? if you rub clockwise you will stimulate the colon to poop, according to daniel reid. i can't see any benefit to the LDT or internal energy from such rubbing though. edit: as if it needs to be said, i could be wrong

i think one can combine eastern and western practices together with success. Daoism is very formless and abstract, very right brained. Even seemingly organized aspects of it, like the I Ching, are poetic and metaphoric at their core. Hermeticism is a nice balance to that in that is is more logical and left-brained. Ideally, we use both hemispheres in a synchronized way, which usually entails fully exploring both modalities of consciousness. also, an afterthought, beware anything that offers a fast track to liberation or universal consciousness. IME/IMO theres no such thing, not even for reincarnate masters, tulkus, etc. Don't believe the hype, the spiritual path is, in almost all cases, years of work.

in response to the k'ulthanlilni quote, thats neat, i searched for more into (cause 13moon is crap) and found a lot of interesting stuff. its mayan for serpent. don alejandro cirilo perez oxlaj, the grand mayan elder, says that the indian civilization has ties to the mayans through the same celestial or cosmic ancestors. Even the word maya pops up in sanskrit meaning illusion, and there, as noted, other similarities. neat. thanks for sharing

contracting the pelvic floor, the anus and pubococcygeal muscle (like in yogic mulabandha, or root lock) and releasing it, rhythmically for a few minutes a day is a great exercise for the prostate. That is how i have seen many people advise to maintain prostate health while retaining.

welcome to taobums peace from pittsburgh

no he continued in explanation of that concept actually @sinfest: halarious! nice one

that doesn't reflect anything FH said he said there's no such thing as a taoist. it is beyond description or definition. so it is a mystic thing that you can not conceive of in a scholarly way because the scholarly mind is contrived compared to the mind of dao.

mmm thanks for that post, +1 and now a haiku self or non-self is attachment and aversion abandon concepts

the female version uses an egglike contraption that goes up inside, with an attachment that hangs out for putting weights on.

hehe manly p hall is an intellectual and a scholar, not a mystic or a yogi so for him i guess they are "in the brain" patanjali is my favorite new age loon