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big up audiobooks! i liked that daft punk album before it blew up.. now i can't walk down the street without hearing get lucky.. its a good song but i dont want to hear it 50x a day Coati Mundi Que Pasa / Me No Pop I

take a no-bath bath what a very zen idea! icy mountain stream

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/opinion/sunday/the-morality-of-meditation.html?_r=0 sorry for the double post, not meaning to spam up the place, but wanted to give bums who don't read the buddhist section the up on this article too. i know i said everyone's favorite word "morality" but don't be a weenie read it anyway do it

buddhism isn't necessarily a religion lol

again, well observed. lol however if one were to read that page, they would find that it supports the idea that within the sutra system, right view is considered a prerequisite to any dharma practice. You asked how the 8fold path related to vajrayana. Has anyone ever brought to your attention that you never really answer posts as they are written, you just pick the parts that you can respond to smugly with a brief negation. It makes conversation with you pointless, which is probably the goal of your approach, but you're not helping anyone, much less yourself. I don't really care to talk to you about this any more since this is like the 3rd post in this conversation in which you have missed the stated point entirely and instead picked bones with the related minutae. Thanks.

its superior for cutting through obscurations, but not everyone can learn tummo, and trying to practice from books is universally taught to be dangerous. Like i said, in my lineage at least, one can learn tummo from the lama after refuge, bodhisattva, ngondro, tantric vows, and if the lama thinks youre ready. lol meditation is a little more accessible than that. i didn't say meditation was the most superior for everything btw so your point is a bit of non sequitur

you're all welcome, and zhongyongdaoist maybe those answers are in the research to be published in the future in the psychological journal they mentioned. I am interested in the specific nature of the meditation as well.

in my lineage of vajrayana (drikung kagyu), under my teacher anyway, we have to take refuge and bodhisattva vows (hinayana and mahayana) and spend time with those teachings before we can take tantric vows and receive instructions in the yogas.

it shows. according to the sutra system, right view is a prerequisite to any dharma practice. http://www.nyingma.com/artman/publish/8_fold_noble_path.shtml

the WWT Padmasambhava PDF file is available on the DC webcast page for anyone who hasn't got the Guru Yoga book.

inasmuch as sanghas are groups of practitioners (the vajrayana view of the body of bodhisattvas notwithstanding), they might be healthier than other groups based on the fact that they probably have a meditation practice http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/opinion/sunday/the-morality-of-meditation.html?_r=0 a short and interesting article from a recent NYT about a meditation study

There's little point trying to make a point to any scholar who is so wrapped up in their scholarship that they are completely convinced that they are right and anyone who practices a different way is wrong. Alwayson is really smart but there is some kind of ivory tower complex going on where he only sees things in his own way (or Malcolms). His loss really. The Buddhadharma has always been flexible to a point, and its not about finding a Golden Truth, but about finding practices that work to liberate and awaken innate wisdom. Within those rough guidelines, there are lots of ways to practice. Thats why the mahasiddhas could have visions and innovate new practices that Shakyamuni didn't teach, and its still considered Buddhadharma. Ken McLeod gives a great interview about this in the latest podcast on BuddhistGeeks called "truth is a red herring".

well i can cite teachers who teach it as part of dzogchen and you can cite teachers who don't, which is stupid, why i said it depends on who teaches it. Ontul is head of Yangtzab lineage and was teaching from Garab Dorje's instructions so if thats not authoritative enough for you, don't meditate! Meditation has helped me greatly so im going to stick with it. Theres no point having this conversation any further. that thread was about the dhyanas, not the whole of meditation. Again, if you think nonconceptual meditation is impossible, don't sit. Awareness is not in and of itself conceptual, and meditation resting in this awareness is possible according to some teachers. Then he is probably qualified to talk about the contents of the hinayana sutras. I knew you would focus on that fact instead of the point of what i was saying, so i pointed out that his background has nothing to do with the fact that the Buddha taught a tenfold path including nonconceptual wisdom and meditation. Your thinking that Brahms teaching of hinayana or the dhyanas is some kind of refuting of my point is a logical fallacy (composition/division) which logical fallacy? and yes its my opinion. well observed.

Ontul Rinpoche teaches meditation as an integral part of dzogchen, specifically the mingling of meditation and post-meditation, so there is meditation. I am never sure what you are talking about when you say vajrayana doesn't employ meditation, as mahamudra and dzogchen both employ forms of zhine and lhakthong. Even at my Tibetan temple, we sit in zhine every week. I don't doubt that you are repeating someone's official opinion which has been written in official form in books and maybe even tantras, but i think in the end it depends on who teaches one vajrayana and what they focus on. As far as the 8fold path being part of hinayana and path of arhats, sure of course, but my point was that even at that level of teaching, Shakyamuni was practicing nonconceptual meditation and giving teachings which supported and led to this. Just because one utilizes the guidance of the 8fold path doesn't necessarily mean they will become a non-returner. The 8fold path is just a tool for guidance, and originally, the buddha taught right wisdom (nonconceptual) and right meditation as part of it (according to Ajahn Brahm) so its relevant, and has nothing to do with Brahm, i just learned that in the sutras its a tenfold path from him, so that he teaches jhanas has nothing to do with what im saying. I'm saying the 8fold path can serve as a support no matter which yana you practice. I wish more vajrayanists had a foundation in the lower yanas, its absurd how arrogant and egotistical people can be if they haven't tempered those aspects of themselves. Not directed at anyone in particular, just my own experience w vajrayanists as opposed to practitioners of "lower" yanas

while onlookers stare i sit in repose, gazing softly at the sky

I agree that the first 8 vehicles are contrived, but i just recently started to study and practice dzogchen, so i have 15 years of conditioning to dissolve. I still think that until one achieves stability in their ati, practicing virtues and looking at one's life in terms of the eightfold path can be really helpful. I think that the eightfold path was intended to assist practitioners in achieving a state where non-conceptual meditation was possible.

immortal fetus. mom has carried it for so long shes forgotten

can i take you home? enough about my treehouse! i'm moving on now

just one parachute what kind of treehouse is this? gimme that damn thing

might just be enough if it's not i'll get Jimmy to jump off with me

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freedom is my goal. if i jumped from my treehouse i would fly briefly

it doesn't matter to me either, i don't go there to socialize, or to look for non-egotistical people, i go there to receive dharma teachings and be in the presence of my lama.

swaying with the breeze maybe my treehouse should have walls or a railing

interesting. i guess it depends on who teaches it. my lama doesn't teach it as completely independent, but emphasizes the virtues and views of the lower yanas too. and that sangha is full of egomaniacal assholes, so its obviously no failsafe. appreciate your pov tho.