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i talked to him on the phone this morning to ask him some questions.. hahaha "this isn't f*ing philosophy.. don't think about it logically, just do the excercize" but then he explained nicely that the practice of storing energy in the marrow both closed a circuit (jing-qi-shen) and did not close the Whole circuit, cause it continues into wuji and onward to the source, which can be called dao. i only kind of understand, and i have no experience with this, but i will share what he said. to paraphrase, returning radiant energy to the marrow is like returning chi to the marrow, it should be done with *abundant or *excess energy so that it doesnt dissipate but goes back to nourish the body. When a person refines chi to shen with the dantiens and chakras, that is only, in a way, building the foundation for the next step, shen to wuji, which he says is done in the beginning by using clear white light visualizations after the colors of the spectrum are invoked and the chakras are utilized. Then when the taiji pole (and the whole body) is radiant white light and the chakras colors have been sublimated into the pure white light, then visualize that light sublimating into "clear light" that is not a color or white but is radiant in an invisible way. he said this subtlety is the gate to wuji. that is only the beginning steps to open the gates he said like everything else after a while you just know the feel of it and don't need visualizations although they help. Then once emptiness of clear light has been attained, one can be filled with the source, or dao, which is not substance or no substance, color or no color, but ultimately subtle, beyond even being able to visualize, there is no mental trick to open the gate, one only knows that merging and being filled with dao is next and it happens. So THAT is a closed circuit, but one should also have open circuits which automatically refine chi to marrow, shen to marrow, and all the stages of the process should be internalized etc. so there. thats more than i can chew right now but thats the basic conversation. hahaha i have known that for 2 hours now so... i don't claim to be an authority or tell anyone what is right in those matters, but i hope it helps, or at least sparks conversation. :D

i think most people are possessed by degree. there is a lot of negative energy floating around my friend. pray to whoever you feel kinship with. i believe there is a primordial creative force that is not "god" but is god. so i have been possessed and in the head too and turning the matter over to the great spirit was the only thing that really was effective in the end. pray that this entity be removed, and keep praying. maybe you were cursed with a possession in order to get you in touch with the creator. thats just a hunch, pure speculation, nobody can say for sure those sorts of things. i pray for you, and i get this answer "he has to do it himself" so thats why i say that. best wishes to you, with sincerity you will overcome this matter. do not fear, those entities feed on fear. be fearless in the light of the deities and protectors, and especially the creator. bless you to release this thing into the hands of the divine, that it take it away from you

thats some chakra nonsense i posted in anther thread i dont think youre doing it wrong, but the egyptians were really clear that the chakras spin in both directions simulateneously. i think that visualizing the chakras as whirling vortices is good for clearing them and letting them breathe. it also works well to visualize them in a relationship with the one above and below it as far as those spins go. that opens the whole taiji pole as a circuit. i dont think youre doing it wrong btw, but if you try to tap into your chakras as having an axis on the taiji pole and spinning, it might do good things for your chakras... try it and tell us!

oh yeah that made my morning i am so glad for you jaysahnztao! bless you and your liver with a long happy life

what is the black stone? i don't really know how rna is formed. i don't know what kind of crystallization you are talking about either.

being that i work with the chakras i will throw my 2 cents in they spin, actually yes they do. they also breathe and circulate light and other subtle energies. they can be said to be closed in some cases and to open in the event of their activation. and if witch has her way with you they might throb thats all i know

yeah i use gemstones for meditation. i carry them in a pouch around my neck too. i put stones on my girlfriends back and then give her a deep accupressure rub on her feet and she says its like nothing else, they really stimulate the flow of energy what were you wondering specifically?

oh boy! well i look forward to giving it the time it needs to be absorbed. thanks lifeforce, and all you bums, for your input. i am doubly excited about learning this technique. for $30 i can have a private session with my teacher.. so there can be a transmission from person to person too. but first i want to finish the video and read the book so i'm sure it will a little while before i have anything substantial to report. again, thanks everyone, your posts were helpful and make me really happy to study this

yeah seth i can relate i take refuge every morning, and make the bodhisattvas vow too. one of the purposes it serves for me is to reinforce beginners mind. So every day is like the first day when i was like "oh gee im a buddhist, now what?" if i got old and died and i was still asking myself "oh gee now what" i would be really happy. I hope i never delude myself into thinking that i know anything about the mystery... hahaha like those who claim to know the meaning of life or something

i am not trying to be difficult, i promise. But there is a difference between a fetus and an embryo, so maybe there is a difference between Fetal breathing and Embryonic breathing. i dont know, thats just my first thought. i wonder if doing this is gonna bring back a lot of childhood memories. I'm ready for that. It'll be good to let go of that stuff if it comes up.

do not derail my train! ahhaha isn't that a daoist legend of one of the immortals who could do such things? Not to discredit the idea of others being able to do it, just checking yeah my teacher said to read the book but i won't get it without him showing me ??? i thought he was being guru-ish but now i guess it makes a little more sense now. Thats good i was thinking that was weird.

yeah the dvd is helpful so far but i really want the book. thanks for the link, that thread is helpful. i gather that its a valuable and legitimate practice, so i look forward to beginning it. i have never studied qigong formally before a month ago, but my teacher practices this (he is a yang lineage holder) and he was talking to me about my meditation practices and energy practices and he seemed to think that i was ready for it. ?? so i take you seriously, but i think i can trust my teacher. as far as qigong foundation i have only previously worked with cleaning and charging the 3 dan tiens, and opening and circulating the small orbit. i have been doing qigong in my backyard every day (and other places too!) so soon i will have a better foundation :D but for now all i can say is i appreciate your advice but i think i will continue anyway since my teacher recommends it after talking to me about where i'm at.

Do not believe in anything (simply) because you have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything (simply) because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all then accept it and live up to it.

i look at it like sometimes we have free will (choice) and sometimes we have to follow the greater current (fate) and life encompasses both at different times but i know some people who look at life as "determinists" (no free will) and their lives are sloppy because they don't take responsibility for their actions. And they lean towards fatalistic thinking its important to realize that life is huge and we are very tiny, but its dangerous to abandon free will.

yeah i agree. that site had a mantra to kali on there.. that is dangerous powerful stuff. "we recommend this mala, it doesnt have 108 beads its just a silk with a knot in it." ??? nutty anyway, i have been told the same thing, stick to all purpose mantras unless instructed by a qualified person. just wanted to chime in. my favorite mantra is Om Prithividhatu Bhumideviya its the earth mantra of an elemental set i say it means roughly "hail to the dirt, it is the living planetary diety"

oh okay. yeah nobody should be afraid to say their practice. I guess i've talked to too many buddhists who are intellectual buddhists. They have memorized hundreds of concepts and sanskrit words and deities but when it comes to letting stuff go as it happens or having direct experience of the moment which is unperterbed, they are lost. I get frustrated talking to buddhists at my sangha they are on a different track than i am on so mostly i just go to sit and don't talk to anyone. I know that i have improved a lot my mind and spirit since i started practicing thats what counts nothing else. So if i sounded defensive, its just knee jerk reaction to talking about buddhism. I used to think that people who had complex knowledge were fascinating but I am not convinced that it doesn't obscure the moon from view in its own way. Hahahaha i only lurk on buddhist forums but i feel really free to talk here. Maybe i am a daoist in a buddhists body hahahaha im definitely that. Annnyway i agree a lot, different focus for different folks. :D I want to add (after alll that) that its important to practice all day not just the hour im on the cushion, so when i share my practice, i don't focus on this meditation or that meditation, i just focus on generalities cause i can apply those all day long.

hahahaah sorry thats all i've got to say. i am not big into theories and concepts. i should be a zen buddhist i guess. i'm just not a scholar.

ducky means delightful or fine british slang i think

i feel like i need more energy practices, like sitting w mudras mantras mandalas etc and using sex to realize clear light and emptiness etc, those are better for me than philosophical concepts. every real or i should say complete philosophy should be complex enough to encompass all kinds of people on their path. so i get that buddhism is complex, i just get sick of all the concepts. i like it simple. if its got a five page explanation and ten things to memorize, am i closer to the truth of reality, or am i just getting lost in intellectual matrix, the very thing i am trying to penetrate through to have direct experience? ack! its all confusion when you start Thinking about it. So i don't. btw i am not knocking philosophy, i think all you guys who have 15 page conversations about the intricacies of buddhist thought are just ducky. Dont get me wrong. Its just not my path.

i start my long meditation sets with bon excercizes called tsa lung which i learned from tenzin wangyal rinpoches book "healing with form energy and light". its some movements to get energy flowing, and its starts with alternate nostril breathing. in that system, the nostrils are the end of channels which go up to the top of the head and down the back then down along the spine to the dan tien. so there are two side channels (one for each nostril) and one central channel which goes from the dantien (where they all meet) to the top of the head straight up through the taiji pole. so i breathe healing light (i like white which turns golden as it gets to the dantien) through the right channel, then expel it through the left. then reverse. as many times as i like. then breathe light in both nostril channels and expel it up the middle channel. i find it to be really balancing and agree that my nostrils/sinuses are sometimes out of synch and the practice realigns them. i don't know why alternate nostril breathing feels so great but it does

I am not a philosophical buddhist, i never had the patience for all those profoundly abstract concepts. I just get the simple stuff which my teachers assure me is enough to progress far with. So i don't "get" all those concept, but i don't get lost in them either. I try to have a direct experience instead of thinking about what i am doing. I practice letting go when i identify something detrimental in my psyche. I practice attitude no attitude. I keep my mind on the 8-fold noble path. I don't do intoxicants and i keep my diet clean. I excercize my physical body and my light body. I focus on empty space instead of moving things. I sit a lot. so i like to think of myself as not beginner, not expert, but medium in my progress, although i don't have a grasp of all the ten thousand concepts or anything. can anyone relate? buddhism is complex for being aimed at simplicity!! yikes

oh okay thanks