Jeff

Dear Deci, There is no "I" who "wrote the book" in primordial awareness/emptiness/God. Enlightenment is not found in the mind. Best wishes, Jeff

Hi Deci, I love your florid style. The grace of your words flow with great poetry. But, things like "polluted killing energy" is only a perception of the mind. And one who steps over eternity, steps beyond the mind. In stepping beyond the mind, "the wisdom of enlightenment manifests spontaneously without limits, just like the infinite rays of the sun.", so I thought the quote was a useful addition to the thread. Best wishes, Jeff p.s. TI - I thought the beauty and meaning of the quote stood on its own. Also, had I added the author, one of our friends would have probably said "bad translation".

"When all our obstacles have been overcome, and we find ourselves in a state of total presence, the wisdom of enlightenment manifests spontaneously without limits, just like the infinite rays of the sun. The clouds have dissolved, and the sun is finally free to shine once again."

Hard to say. Her perspective was that it was more about the family guru trying to exercise control/power. I have seen a few who were called "guru" who did some pretty nasty (energy) things. Best, Jeff

Hi Alwayson, I would suggest that you read the Lankavatara Sutra. I think you would like it. Best wishes, Jeff

A light transmission is the sharing of "knowledge" (or state of knowledge). An "incredible mystical experience" would most likely be a description of a experience perceived by the mind, so it would be unlikely to be a light transmission. But, I have no idea on what Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo has realized. Best, Jeff (edit - deleted duplicate words)

I would agree. Best, Jeff

Hi Apech, I guess it depends on what you describe as emptiness. My perspective was describing the highest form and comes mostly from the Lankavatara Sutra... "The Blessed One replied: What is emptiness, indeed! It is a term whose very self-nature is false-imagination, but because of one's attachment to false-imagination we are obliged to talk of emptiness, no-birth, and no self-nature. There are seven kinds of emptiness: emptiness of mutuality which is non-existent; emptiness of individual marks; emptiness of self-nature; emptiness of no-work; emptiness of work; emptiness of all things in the sense that they are unpredictable, and emptiness in its highest sense of Ultimate Reality." ... "By emptiness in the highest sense of the emptiness of Ultimate Reality is meant that in the attainment of inner self-realization of Noble Wisdom there is no trace of habit-energy generated by erroneous conceptions; thus one speaks of the highest emptiness of Ultimate Reality." The description of the fifth bhumi (or maybe sixth) seems to fit with this "no trace" for me. Best, Jeff

Hi Dao, I would argue that the "realization of emptiness" is something that is "objectively real/noticable". In many traditions, masters/gurus can transmit "light transmissions". Light transmissions are only possible if one has realized emptiness, because a light transmission is the transfer of "direct knowledge" thru/with Void. It is the blending of energy/form and void, or as the heart sutra describes... The realization of Form is Void, and Void is Form. Best wishes, Jeff

Hi Apech, IMHO I would disagree that emptiness is realized at the first bhumi. The joy of the first blumi comes from the silencing of mind. Depending on your definition, I would say that emptiness is not "realized" until at least the fifth or sixth bhumi. The description of "Hard to train" (fifth) points to "understanding" emptiness, but still not able to explain/show emptiness to others. Best wishes, Jeff

Even though you described it as rhetorical, I thought I would respond... There are basically two types (levels) of energy based transmissions. They are mind-mind and light-light. An example of mind-mind would be an astral visit or sometimes a vivid dream. A light transmission from a master/guru is beyond the ability of the mind to percieve, and is based in the "heart". Usually, the understanding creeps into the conscious mind over a period of time. At the "physical" level! a transmission is usually from speaking or found in writing. But, a master/guru "transmits" on all levels, no matter what the medium. So for those with the "capacity", they can receive a light transmission from reading a book (or holding an object). Best wishes, Jeff p.s. The paper (human consciousness) is the same for all traditions. The information and level/strength of transmission is not. Also, I have found that the key in any transmission is the "openness" to receive it.

Could be similar. The family guru of a friend of mine put the block on and stated that she was developing too fast. She did not ask for the block.

It is definitely possible to induce blocks. Some gurus in India do this to slow development of the energy body in some of their students. I have seen the result once, but i am not familiar with the technique. Best, Jeff

Real transmission is sometimes called a sharing of "light". It could also be described as the sharing or "taste" of being of the "primordial state". One must be open (or have an open "heart") for it to be perceived. One can "receive" a transmission up to their level of "clarity". Best, Jeff

Hi EasternInternalArts, Can you explain what you do or how it works? Do you "push" the other being from the body? Thanks, Jeff

Hi Jetsun, If you are looking for a great overview of "existence" and the overall "enlightenment" process, I highly recommend reading the Lankavatara Sutra. It is only about 40 pages and covers pretty much everything. You just need a little familiarity with Buddhist meaning of words like "mind". Best wishes, Jeff

Welcome! Have fun. Best wishes on your path.

Buddhahood is described as a "deeper" realization. And part of the reason why Buddhist's describe their path as "better". In essence, one makes the vow and has the support of the Buddhas, so you don't find yourself "ceasing" at a "God" level. This higher "stage" is associated with the "rainbow body" concept. Again from the Lankavatra Sutra... "The exalted state of self-realisation as it relates to an earnest disciple is a state of mental concentration in which he seeks to indentify himself with Noble Wisdom. In that effort he must seek to annihilate all vagrant thoughts and notions belonging to the externality of things, and all ideas of individuality and generality, of suffering and impermanence, and cultivate the noblest ideas of egolessness and emptiness and imagelessness; thus will he attain a realisation of truth that is free from passion and is ever serene. When this active effort at mental concentration is succesful it is followed by a more passive, receptive state of Samadhi in which the earnest disciple will enter into the blissful abode of Noble Wisdom and experience its consumations in the transformations of Samapatti. This is an earnest disciple's first experience of the exalted state of realisation, but as yet there is no discarding of habit-energy nor escaping from the transformation of death. Having attained this exalted and blissful state of realisation as far as it can be attained by disciples, the Bodhisattva must not give himself up to the enjoyment of its bliss, for that would mean cessation, but should think compassionately of other beings and keep ever fresh his original vows; he should never let himself rest nor exert himself in the bliss of the Samadhis. But, Mahamati, as earnest disciples go on trying to advance on the path that leads to full realisation."

Hi K, I think you may somewhat misunderstand Buddhism (confusing it with Vedanta). Buddhism does not believe in "extinction", but instead the realization of "no-self" which is often confused. The "extinction" point is one of the big distinctions of Buddhism and a Buddha. The concept of "individuality" does not cease and the sutras are very specific about the risk of that happening. Below from the Lankavatara Sutra... “When it is said that all things are egoless, it means that all things are devoid of self-hood. Each thing may have its own individuality-the being of a horse is not of cow nature-it is such as it is of its own nature and is thus discriminated by the ignorant, but, nevertheless, its own nature is of the nature of a dream or vision. That is why the ignorant and the simpleminded, who are in the habit of discriminating appearances, fail to understand the significance of egolessness. It is not until discrimination is gotten rid of that the fact that all things are empty, un-born and without self-nature can be appreciated.”

Probably not... I think both Taoists and Buddhists like to have friends in high places... Best wishes, Jeff

When you are a Buddha (or very near), your thoughts alter reality. But the mind of Buddha, is pretty quiet.

Or how about friends in really high places... (Lankavatara Sutra) "In the spirit of these vows the Bodhisattva gradually ascends the stages to the sixth. All earnest disciples, masters and Arhats have ascended thus far, but being enchanted by the bliss of the Samadhis and not being supported by the power of the Buddhas, they pass to their Nirvana. The same fate would befall the Bodhisattvas except for their sustaining power of the Buddhas, by that they are enabled to refuse to enter Nirvana until all beings can enter Nirvana with them. The Tathagatas point out to them the virtues of Buddhahood which are beyond the conception of the intellectual-mind, and they encourage and strengthen the Bodhisattvas not to give in to the enchantment of the bliss of the Samadhis, but to press on to further advancement along the stages. If the Bodhisattvas had entered Nirvana at this stage, and they would have done so without the sustaining power of the Buddhas, there would have been the cessation of all things and the family of the Tathagatas would have become extinct. " Best wishes on your path.

Everyone can use a little help from a friend every once and a while, no matter how far along the path one may be.

If you don't mind, why no affinity/interest in energy practices? Thanks, Jeff (edit- wording change)

OK. I have not recieved transmission from ChNN. I have only read and agreed with his books. I don't understand why you find quotes from respected teachers that are specifically about the topic the group is discussing a "waste of time". But, I will try to honor your implied request, and not ask you any more questions to explain your logic/positions. Best wishes on your path, Jeff