Jeff

And part of that "knowledge" is the clarity of quiet or calm mind.

Here we go again... What do you think is the "result" and purpose of trul khor? Also, what is the resulting "state" of Trekcho? What does one need to "stabilize" before starting Togal? Best wishes, Jeff

Tease...

Excellent point. Successful practice of Tummo requires one has reached the level of "calm or quiet mind". As an example, if one still experiences "anger", the mind is not quiet and they are not ready for the practice. The level is beyond "the watching of thoughts". Best, Jeff

Sounds interesting... Any further comment? Thanks.

I have found that there exist four main "types" of energy. Each is more like a different frequency range (or spectrum), rather than a truly different form. Additionally, different paths/traditions focus on different types of energy. The four types consist of body energy, mind energy, cosmic/spiritual light and primordial light. 1. Body energy - In the early stages, body energy can often feel like warm (or cold) regions in the body. As perception deepens, it often feels like tingles or vibrations and one grows to notice movement (or flowing). As one gains significant control over body energy, health improves and they become more resistant to sickness. 2. Mind energy - In the early stages, one begins to notice chakras in the energy body. With practice, one can begin to "see" auras. As "clarity" grows, one begins to perceive astral levels/stuff. 3. Cosmic/Spiritual light - Beyond "mind", it can be felt in the (inner) heart, this is the light/energy of creation/existence. Jed Mckenna describes the early stages of this in his 3rd book when he begins to touch on "human adulthood". In some ancient texts, this stage is described as "building the body of light". As is grows, it is also sometimes called "oneness" with everything. 4. Primordial light - This is the "raw stuff". Outside of time & existence. Land of Buddhas. Being "one with God". Any thoughts?

Sounds like once again we are in agreement. Best wishes, Jeff

Why? There are easily over 100 equivalent statements in his many books. Is it your position, that he cares so little for his students (and the world) that he would allow incorrect information to exist for over 10 years without telling anyone?

Do you consider that a compelling argument? Do you have any quotes where CNN has said that he disagrees with (and disavows) all of the books (in English) where he is the author? Or, do you just disagree with CNN? First you say "new age", next you deny he said it, then when faced with the facts, you deny the "correctness" of his book. Which of CNN's books have you actually read? Best, Jeff

Do you read any of his books? It is common in most academic settings to give credit of a quote to the author of a book. Page 43 of Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State. "The Tantras are teachings based on the knowledge and application of energy" Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

This is an old discussion. Please quote Dzogchen masters rather than your own opinion when disagreeing with a Tibetan Dzogchen master. "The Tantras are teachings based on the knowledge and application of energy" Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Best, Jeff

Tummo is an "energy" thing and "yes" you do need a transmission. Here are some of Chogyal Namkai Norbu's words on it... "Likewise, if we feel the need to engage in a practice such as tummo, which involves a complicated series of visualizations of cakras, channels, etc. then we need to know what its am is. So in these cases, one cannot say that there is nothing to meditation on because the meditation practice constitutes the express means to accomplish determined results." Best wishes, Jeff

Interesting that you "disagree" with Sutra. What "criteria" do you use to pick and choose Sutra? On the Tibetan Buddhist front... Here are the words of Anyen Rinpoche in "The Union of Dzogchen and Bodhicitta"... "Thus, the karma accumulated by any action we perform, whether it virtuous or non virtuous, depends upon our motivation" I assume you can agree that the definition of "motivation" in this quote is the same as "intent". Best, Jeff (edit - spelling)

No worries... I have learned my lesson and will "stay" within the interpretations of Buddhist texts in Buddhist threads. Best, Jeff p.s. Feeling with the heart requires being able to calm the four winds (tummo) and have them come to reside in the heart. p.p.s Anyone interested in a "Six Yoga's of Naropa" thread? Maybe discuss the practices and what happens in the "Completion Stage"?

I would disagree that I am the one who has ever demanded that someone agree with what I type. If you are not at all "informed" with the topic, then why are you "sharing" your interpretation? Best, Jeff

Is that different than what you do? Also, what is your interpretation of the yang gsang bla na med pa'i sde? Best, Jeff (edit - that => than)

He is not that tough. Love "conquers" all... Best wishes, Jeff

Please see my response to Alwayson. But, yes, I would agree, our "true intentions" and being are found in the "heart". Best, Jeff

You seem to be misunderstand the meaning of the word heart. I am not referring to the gross level body organ. Though it is an innermost and secret teaching, Anyen Rinpoche (The Union of Dzogchen and Bodhichitta) touches on it... "When Tsara Dharmkirti Rinpoche passed away at the age of ninety-two, he attained a sign called "Heart, Tongue and Eyes," which is one of the signs of highest realization that comes as a result of the Dzogchen Teachings." Additionally, I didn't see how you link disagreed with the heart point. A major point of the text seemed to be regarding how the Brahmin tradition was "appropriated". Which at it's highest levels is heart based. Best, Jeff

Hi Alwayson, I find it interesting that you (and others) are commenting on TI's lack of knowledge regarding the word "Menngagde". As I am sure that you must be aware, the innermost secret teaching of it is yang gsang bla na med pa'i sde. The teaching is about the innermost heart essence. If you have read many of TI's recent posts in other threads, you will see that the "heart" has been his meditative focus for a while. I have found that it is often more important to experience the true meaning, rather than get caught up in the lexicon/vocabulary list. Best wishes, Jeff p.s. Experiential understanding the yang gsang bla na med pa'i sde will help greatly with the heart connecting/viewing that we discussed in another thread.

True Intention defines the act and the merit (or not) of the act. Right speech is in the framework of karma. In the Nibbedhika Sutta (Anguttara Nikaya 6.63) the Buddha said: "Intention (P. cetana, S. cetanā) I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech, & intellect." Best wishes, Jeff

Right speech is found flowing through the heart based on loving intent. The mind often remembers past insults and unconsciously reacts (and justifies oneself) in the absence of the heart. In this example, if one can look deeply into their heart and see that the "true" intent was to help Vmarco and they believe that such a post would be effective, then it would be "right speech". Judging another's true intent is not possible, one must decide in their own heart. Best wishes, Jeff

Hi Thetaoiseasy, Another excellent post (regarding divine beings). It is also sometimes helpful to think of them as an elder brother or even a lover. Respect, love and friendship are the key to all relationships (including divine beings). Best wishes, Jeff

That is the intellectual debate on the value/merits of various paths. Not the commenting of the traits of individuals to others. Best, Jeff

Can "judging others" with a group of others, ever be an example of "right speech"? Best wishes, Jeff