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  1. Hi Creation, You raise some very good points. All of the listed levels can be directly translated to developments in the energy body. I did not include those descriptions, as many people do not perceive the energy body. I know two people who have gone all the way to Calm mind (7) and never experienced any energy/mystical component. Mystical/Spiritual components happen at all levels, but once one reaches Noticing Oneness (8), there is no way you can deny it any longer. Additionally, using terms like "reaching the soul" tend to be tradition/culture specific. My goal was to try to create a generic roadmap that anyone could use. If anyone is interested, I would happy to add energy body descriptions to the various levels.

  2. A different way to kill ego?

    Jeff replied to hydrogen's topic in General Discussion

    I think it is a very good analogy. In addition, a true guru can introduce new code into the system to help with the clean up.

  3. [TTC Study] Chapter 16 of the Tao Teh Ching

    Jeff replied to Marblehead's topic in Daodejing

    Beautifully said. Thank you.

  4. Secret of the Golden Flower

    Jeff replied to Long Yun's topic in Daoist Discussion

    Agreed. For me, clarity and depth of stillness are really the same thing. We need a universal dictionary of terms. Have a good week.
  5. Hi C T (and TI), Thank you for the above link. In my (questionable if Dzogchen like ) experience, forms of practice and meditation are no where near as important as what Lojong describes... "In other words, we are not merely ignorant of the nature of reality but actively, day by day and moment by moment, we are misconstruing the nature of reality. We see things as isolated and intrinsically existing. We reify our own existence and that of friends, loved ones, indifferent people, enemies, the environment itself. And here is the real crux of the matter: this reification is fundamentally out of accord with reality. It creates distortions in the mind and enhances the obscurations that shroud the Buddha nature. In practical terms, it is because of this grasping onto intrinsic reality that a false sense of self arises, as well as the myriad mental distortions that are invariably based on this reification. Jealousy, hatred, resentment, anger, craving, pride, conceit, fear, anxiety - all of these afflictions are based on a misconstruing of reality." The primordial state is found by letting go of "Jealousy, hatred, resentment, anger, craving, pride, conceit, fear, anxiety". Meditation is just something we do to help us see it. p.s. I still believe/know that Jesus was a Dzogchen-like master. (edit - missed a "what" that inverted the meaning)
  6. On not dreaming, I have not specifically read this in CNN's books, but as CT says, I thought it was common knowledge. Dreams are normally based on our unconscious. A big part of any path is effectively pulling the unconscious "into" the conscious. With the integration, one has control over their sleep. I can consciously control whether I dream or not. The body sleeps, but the mind resides in silence. But, I will look for specific CNN comments around it, if I find any I will get back to you. Regarding dreams in general, CNN tells many stories about insights coming from dreams of primordial Buddhas in "The Supreme Source", also as said by others, Dream yoga is part of Dzogchen. Here is an example from "The Supreme Source"... In the story of Garab Djorie... "he had marvelous dreams that predicted the appearance of the teaching "beyond effort"... When the king of the devas came to know this, he emplored the Buddhas to promulgate the teaching... From his heart Vajrasattva emanated Vajrapani... " Notice also the heart emanation point (for Alwayson). But, your point is valid, at this point I do not have any direct quotes for CNN directly referencing the dream connection. I was just assuming since the other two primordial paths use/experience it. If I find specific quotes detailing it, I will pass them on. P.s. CT your wise words are always appreciated (no butting in )
  7. Fair enough. I am just comparing and going off the written words of CNN. So you are saying there is no mind to mind transmission as CNN's book describes in Dzogchen? Or, are you saying that there are no astral planes? Where do you think I am wrong about Dzogchen?
  8. Thank you for your above response. I completely agree that Dzogchen is mystical. That has been my point in all of my posts in the thread. Transmissions are very important. They define the difference of a primordial path. P.s. My karma has definitely led me to primordial paths.
  9. My statements above are based on my own personal experiences and discussions with masters of two other primordial paths.
  10. So your position is that Dzogchen is training "the mind constantly to resolve pliability and let go of conceptual fixations"? Sounds like a very logical approach, but how is that different from standard Buddhism? What is the point of a Guru/transmission?
  11. It is true that "theoretically" nothing needs to be done. But, that has nothing to do with the Dzogchen/Guru Yoga path. How and why it is "faster"...?
  12. OK. But seriously consider trying to answer my question. Also, I highly recommend CNN's books, the two I have read are excellent.
  13. I disagree. My experiences match what CNN has written. Ask him (or some other master) if I am incorrect. Also, you (and Alwayson) have not answered my repeated question as to why you believe Dzogchen/Guru Yoga/Primordial is a "faster" path. Once you can answer that question, you will be able to notice the "transmissions".

  14. Secret of the Golden Flower

    Jeff replied to Long Yun's topic in Daoist Discussion

    The greater the clarity, the greater the energy. They are two sides of the same coin. (edit - fixed spelling)
  15. It is a powerful symbol (with definite energy), but it is only a symbol and not a guru.
  16. How it is experienced is dependent on the "clarity" of the recieving person. Most do not have the capacity to consciously percieve the transmission, so the mind unconsciously translates it into a dream. Someone with greater clarity would experience seeing (and possibly hearing) the guru in deep consciousness (or astral). Someone with high clarity would directly receive the knowledge (but would not see anything). In general, those with high levels of clarity do not dream (they have made the unconscious conscious). If one does not "receive" transmission, it is either because they have not yet reached the clarity to do so, or the "transmitter" is not yet a true master, and only a teacher.
  17. That is symbol, not a Guru.
  18. "Since ancient times, knowledge of Dzogchen has been communicated by means of three types of transmission: direct, that is mind to mind; symbolic, through the the use of gestures, object or riddles; and oral, through spoken language." The Supreme Source: The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen by CNN What do you think Guru yoga is? Why do you think Dzogchen is "faster"?

  19. [TTC Study] Chapter 16 of the Tao Teh Ching

    Jeff replied to Marblehead's topic in Daodejing

    If it makes any difference, count me in as someone who is also confident that both Lao Tzu and Jesus exist.
  20. Hi TI, From my experience with other primordial paths, I am pretty sure what you are describing as astral communication is what CNN means by mind-to-mind. And I would agree that the concept of time in general is pretty flexible on the astral level.
  21. Very nice to hear. Are you still with me on these quotes? CNN states in (page 31)" Dzogchen: The Self Perfected State" The energy of the individual is closely linked to the external energy, and each can influence the other. ... Working from the other way round, It is possible to influence the external energy, carrying out what are called "miracles". Such activity is actually the result of having control of one's own energy, through which one obtains the capacity of power over external phenomena.
  22. Hi TI, Thanks for the info on 16. With all of the family holiday activities, I am way behind you on the tapes. I have appreciated the pointers on where to focus first. Any other section you would recommend? You were also definitely right about the descriptions on 13. Very consise and detailed. Thanks again.
  23. Experience is not a technique. Obstructions/issues must always be cleared. Best wishes on your path.
  24. Does that mean you are not going to share your perspective?
  25. No easy answer. I can describe signposts that I have found, but there are always obstructions/issues to be cleared. No sense taking everyone through our back and forth. Moving to PM.