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  1. Not really a description. With those words, I completely agree. When one resides (or feels with) in the heart, they are beyond conceptializing mind. But, you have not given me enough to say that they are equal/comparable.
  2. Dzogchen Thunder - Gnostic Christian An ancient one that would be translated in something like - Peaceful (or loving) Hunter
  3. It is hard for me to say, because I don't know what you exactly mean when you say "unfabricated awareness". Do you have a specific description that you would like to use?
  4. Ok. No problem. I am interested in learning about all paths, but particularly Primoridal paths. I have found three primordial paths so far.
  5. I don't quite understand what your question is referencing. But, I would agree that unfabricated awareness (as I understand it) is beyond mind.
  6. I wasn't rejecting, my question was serious. But, the words of someone residing in "unfabricated awareness" are more interesting to me than an academic. P.s. why do you "like" all of your own posts?
  7. Does Dr. White "reside" in Rigpa? Is he an agreed upon Dzogchen master? Thanks.
  8. Hi Alwayson, I am not claiming anything. I was just answering your questions. As I mentioned in my response to your 2nd question, one of my goals is to try to translate terms. The words may be precise, but look at the difficulty you and I have had on energy in the body discussion. Thanks.
  9. Dear Deci, Energy is not part of the way, just a part of "existence". See thru or not, that is everyone's "choice". I will leave a few words for thought... Follow the way, The quiet way to the happy country. Seeker! Empty the boat, Lighten the load, Passion and desire and hatred. And sail swiftly. There are five at the door To turn away, and five more, And there are five to welcome in. And when five have been left Stranded on the shore, The seeker is called oghatinnoti - "He who has crossed over." Dhammapada (25. The Seeker) I love your beautiful flowing words, but anger is just an obstruction to the truth. Life is... What/who is there to be angry?
  10. 1) Feeling with the heart is very hard to describe with words (hence the need for direct transmissions). But, feeling "oneness" is an approximation. 2) it just happens naturally as one percieves beyond the mind. Also, answering this question is why I have been trying to find Dzogchen people to talk to. CNN describes the process at a high level in his books. I can tell you in "energy terms", but not Dzogchen terms. 3) I use terms like "light" because that is what it feels like. One could also say infinitely subtle energy. It is the "stuff" of existence/creation. One can find/see the "light" if you can trace a thought back to the "pre-intent" of the thought. That is why so many traditions focus on the gap between thoughts.
  11. Agreed. And that is my point. The Dharmawheel threads that Alwayson presented imply otherwise. Stating no subtle energy (just "winds" like farts ). Sounds like we have no disagreement.
  12. Deci, Clear/quiet mind is only the beginning of the "light" being turned on. The truth is beyond mind and found through the heart. I also agree that books are not that useful. Since you don't feel/like energy/DT/chakra descriptions... How about this for a sign post... Do you still feel/experience anger (or irritation)? Enjoy the moment.
  13. Thank you for your excellent advice. I have found that Quiet/clear mind always has more traces (obstructions) clear. The "local body/mind" is only the beginning.
  14. Hi Practioner, There does seem to be a lot of bickering... Maybe we can go back to the discussion. I am not familiar with the secret of the Golden Flower, but I would like to offer up a "signpost" for debate. Also, flowery words can be very confusing... There is a point where one stops feeling all of the chakras and DTs individually and the energy feeling expands/integrates to the entire body and it feels like every cell is vibrating in harmony. Thoughts? Anyone?

  15. Tired of people materialising yoga

    Jeff replied to Seeker of Wisdom's topic in General Discussion

    Count me in.
  16. From your perspective, is there a meaningful difference between Dzogchen and other Buddhist practices up to the point of quiet/clear mind? (Other than transmissions/teachings of a guru). Thanks.
  17. Hi Pero, There have been many all through the previous posts. They all relate to CNN's description of energy. In our broader discussion, I have been agreeing with everything CNN says, but some have been saying that I am incorrect. The basic point comes down to whether one perceives (or believes in) the subte energy systems (including the body) or not. Alwayson has given us many quotes from members of Dharmawheel that state that there is nothing but normal bodily function (like farts) The most recent one i posted is... Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State (pg 36) The mind influences the condition of both the body and the energy, and at the same time depends on them. Sometimes the mind is totally enslaved by the energy and there is no way to balance it without clearing up the disorders of the energy first. The debate is simple... Do you agree with CNN in the above quote? I agree with CNN. (edit - added or believes in)
  18. I do not disagree with you at all. Your very statement of "very deep underlying structures that usually are not communicated through words" is my entire point of this thread. Primoridal paths at the deeper levels communicate "mind" to "mind" and then deeper "light" to "light". Everything that "exists"... Thoughts, bodies, trees, light, knowledge... Is a form of light/energy. Everything that I have read in CNN's books, I have found correct up to my ability to percieve. But as I have shown in many CNN quotes, the "body" is much more than just "gross level" biological function.
  19. To be fair, given the threads he supplied, there may be more than a few who could feel that way.
  20. The following quote is again from CNN... (pg. 36) The mind influences the condition of both the body and the energy, and at the same time depends on them. Sometimes the mind is totally enslaved by the energy and there is no way to balance it without clearing up the disorders of the energy first. This statement is very clear, and in my experience, the statement is very true. Even though CNN says it, would you consider it somehow "un-Dzogchen"? Thanks again.
  21. Thank you. The document is consistent with my understanding. The challenge seems to be in the percieved interpretation of the details.
  22. No. I prefer to "feel" with my heart. Astral planes exist in the mind.
  23. Looking at Alwayson's link... It states that mind is just a physical wind of the physical body. Basically just a local biological component. Is this the standard Dzogchen (and Buddhist) perspective? Thanks.
  24. Ouch. Have a good evening.
  25. Thanks.