Jeff
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The “One” is not really born, but more emerges (or is perceived). There is not simply one “One”, as there theoretically can be infinitely independent “Ones”. The comparable in Hindu beliefs would be like there could be multiple independent Brahmans (not just one big one). Finally, a One can be superseded or become sort of a subset of a new “and bigger” One. With such a superceding, new “transmissions” (or rules) exist, so in a sense you could say that the Universe evolves. Finally, each sentient being is in essence their own “localized” One, sort of like fractals writhin fractals.
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Hi Edward, Take a deep breath and try to focus on me. See if you can stick your finger in my heart right now. No need for complicated visualizations, just feel yourself doing it. See what you get... Love, Jeff
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The bright light is not really your 3rd eye opening, it is more your concentrated mental energy creating like a build up in your mind. I do not mean to be rude, but I would suggest that you focus on opening your heart more. What people call the third eye is really an extension of more broadly opening and connecting to people and the world around you. It is feeling and noticing that underlying energy and then translating it in your mind.
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By forcing, I simply meant the active engaging of will to do something that the person would possibly normally avoid or not do. Is that not what you and bindi have meant?
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Neti Neti, I was wondering if your view is the same as 3bob and Bindi on this point about forcing/aligning will? Thanks, Jeff
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That verse is immediately after the one I mentioned, so I see it more not about increasing, but more a continue of the description of the level of the anguish (saying how strong the desire is to exert ones own will). Especially since Jesus had the power to avoid all that was about to come after Jesus’s betrayal. But, I totally see that your view of the verses is makes sense too. Thanks.
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Your quote simply stated not my will, but yours. Jesus is simply pointing out to avoid the temptation of trying to assert his own desires by avoiding his fate. But with the help of an angel in the gospel he is able to let go his own desire/will. The angel is an example of divine grace found in the surrending. Do do you know of any quotes in the gospels where it says your own focus and will can get you into heaven? Jesus is all about surrender and letting go.
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Here is the same point found in the gospels... “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.” â€â€John‬ â€5:30-31‬ â€KJV‬‬ We all think that our will and judgements are correct, as Bud said monkey mind playing with itself. Simply drop the crap and find the divine underneath it all...
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Your kidding right? Mean you simply ignore gospels that dont fit your view of Jesus’s teachings?
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Well said.
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Mind is mind no matter the level or layer of focus. Clarity is clarity (or not). Just as energy is energy, refinement is just increasing clarity.
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Haha... Is that like telling me I have the right to be wrong (since I dont get it)... Oh well, I tried. I will simply let it go and leave the thread to your and Bindi’s aligned wills... Enjoy
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Again, I do not doubt the feeling of power, but again as Jesus clearly states... John 14:10-11 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. Not his own authority/will. One with the father, not one thinking they are going the same direction as the father. Don’t chase it, simply let go of the desires and mental constructs that obscure what is already there...
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Bindi, While the institutional church may agree with you, Jesus is very clear on the matter... 1 John 1:12-13 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Drop the will, it is not useful... Best, Jeff
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I totally agree that my views are not the same as the institutional church views. Also, I am not trying to articulate a Christian view, but more explain the underlying process. This is a Hindu forum, and so Hindu teaching would seem to be a more appropriate discussion. But, in general, I would agree that the church teaches that you should submit and stop “sinning” and will go to hell if you don’t do what they say. I am just saying that is a mistaken view.
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If you are “thinking” that you are going to drop or let something go, then there is still energy there and subconsciously you are not really doing it. If something drops, it is gone. Letting go is not an act of will, it is a release of the construct that thinks it has a will.
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The difference between your and 3Bob’s view and mine is in your concept of forcing or changing your will to be in line with the fathers. No human will can know what that is. Thinking that you do (or could), is an example of the “temptation” that Jesus tells you to avoid in the broader part of the quote I included. Jesus is not saying to align your will, he is teaching to drop (or let go of) your will and desires. The natural will of the father is an inherent part of all of us. It just part of our natural being when you let go of all those ego hopes, desires and fears. It is not possible to condition (or change) the mind and realize the father or Dao. One must drop and let go of the mental constructs that bind one to the framework of mind.
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As always, it helps to put the quote in context... “And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation. And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.” â€â€Luke‬ â€22:39-44‬ â€KJV‬‬
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This is a hindu forum, so I try to stay away from Christian concepts in this thread. But, with Jesus it was about surrendering and letting go... It is not about willing in the same direction, but finding truth in the underlying clarity letting go. As, the gospel John says... Moses was about the law (aligning with the rules), but Jesus was about grace and truth (forgiving and letting go).
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Maybe we are just using different meaning to some of the terms, but to me "surrendering" is letting go of your own desires or will, and not changing or re-aligning your will to some new view or desires. Letting go is simply dropping and not reprograming one addiction to another.
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Surrender is not an act that overcomes something. True surrender comes from the letting go and the inherent clarity of it. Things drop, not forced away.
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Most of what people do is an autopilot response. A body in motion stays in motion. But, as clarity “increases”, so does the relative freedom of motion. Or, a body in motion, stays in motion unless some new force is applied. Quiet your mind and find those push points. As mentioned earlier in this thread, all those autopilot responses of emotion are driven by underlying energy structures. Find and feel the energy beneath and you are on the way to breaking down those patterns. A sage is one who has cleared away that autopilot crap and is free to respond in the moment. An immortal is one who can do it more broadly for the world (and others) around them.
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My original background is also in more of a mystical Christian framework, definitely not the institutional version for me. But, Jesus is a very powerful being and a true connection can definitely protect you. Also, your natural state is more “transmission”, so working with a female side (receptions) being will help give you the balance you are looking for in dealing with such issues. Feel free to send me a pm if I can help you with such a connection.
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Thanks for sharing. You are at the level where you can subconsciously energetically connect to your surroundings, so it would definitely be possible for the leader of the group and any associated being to form an energetic connection with you. I can tell that the leader and being are sort of “stronger” energetically than you. To try to give it sort of a numerical value, lets say you are a 5 and the leader/being are 6s. They are kind of at astral/mind level, but their connection is more conscious while yours is more subconscious level. If you can avoid it, then I would say just avoid it as it is unlikely that you will be able to disrupt it on your own. If you feel that you need/have to go, then you will need to connect in advance to a more powerful being/light source. A true light being will easily dissolve or disrupt their “astral” energy stuff. What they are doing would be called “false light” in the Bible. Do you follow any specific tradition or have any higher beings that you trust?
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What is the purpose of the manifestation? Just to attack you, or does that happen just as a byproduct of some other purpose? Are you just trying to protect yourself, or affect the whole thing?
