Jeff

Here you go with the link. Not a big deal. If I am violating some rule, mods feel free to edit... http://community.livingunbound.net/

Just so that you realize that this is not new stuff on my part, I thought I would include an old version of this level stuff from about five years ago. My perspective has become a little more refined, but I thought you might be interested... A more modern version yet to come, when I have some time at an actual keyboard...

It is not hard. I was simply offering to try to use your stuff as a basis of understanding. I will explain it all in my own terms when I get a chance in the next few hours.

There are endless posts of mine on this stuff. If you are interested, here are few threads to get you started... Here is an example of a basic starter practice...

Ok, when I get a chance I will take another look at your earlier posted stuff and see if I can use that as a basis. If not, will look for something to try to keep it simple.

There is no recruitment drive, but definitely open sharing. Also, there has never been any charging of fees or asking for donations with any of the things I have ever participated in. People use and like the practices or they don’t. No big deal.

Thanks. Helpful hearing about your shift in practices over time. Hopefully, your liver has not continued to give you any problems.

Yes, you must be right... pretty scary stuff.

Ahh... So you have a private group that tracks and watches/visions of my group. Didn't know I was so popular... But since it seems so important to you... Happy to invite any and all to my party!

No need to worry about the OP person. Since it is my "statement" I am happy to discuss. Also, I have already offered to go through such a mapping discussion. I have many terms that I can use. As mentioned above, feel free to pick a tradition or starting point. But the challenge here is that we are talking about stuff way beyond anything in a book. No secret group. I have made endless posts on this stuff. Additionally, have hosted many Q&A threads in the past.

Thought you said something about seeing or promising invitations to someone back a few posts.

Is this CT's private party, or is everyone invited?

Thank you again very much for sharing. I appreciate it. You said above with the gold top mushrooms, that you knew it was going to be your last experience, so you wanted a good one. How (or Why) did you know it was going to be your last psychedelic experience?

I would agree that all joint energy activity (of any form) should not be taken lightly. It can have huge effects on people. Additionally, the energy flow can create some very powerful imagery and dynamics between people. Some of this is described in my old Ask Jeff thread.

While I would agree that the differentiation is in polarity (transmission-reception), it is really more than that. The Tao Te Ching describes it like this, from chapter 28... ... Being the stream of the universe, Ever true and unswerving, Become as a little child once more. Know the white, But keep the black! Be an example to the world! Being an example to the world, Ever true and unwavering, Return to the infinite. ... The differentiation that is being describes is that after you are the "stream of the universe" (light level), you need to relearn (become a child once more), and "know the white" (differentiated stuff), while you "keep the black" (always know the truth). What we are talking about is a state of being, and that being expands to all. More like you can feel your finger tips, but know you are the entire body.

To all - I am in no way saying that the person is an Avatar of any type. Even the concept of an Avatar in general does not fit with what I was attempting to portray.

Thank you for stating your ongoing point clearly.

Fair enough. We simply disagree. And you have made your point clear many times in this thread.

All very interesting stuff. Thank you. It seems like you are highlight two issues/concern areas regarding my OP. First, relative to the concept of even posting it in the first place at all... And, thank you for your kind words regarding seeing the the heart in it. While it seems to have been lost, my point had not really been anything other than something like "congrats, very cool stuff". But, I agree that without some context for such a statement, it seems to just lead to more confusion. Your second point seems to be relative to this context, or my attempt to describe with the levels or descriptive terms. I agree that this has also created a lot of confusion without some defined system of levels. Since such a framework does not exist, and when I originally made the OP, I did not think it really mattered as I was just trying to make a positive statement of "congrats". I was not attempting to say anything was better (or change your views), but again in hindsight I can see how your point is valid given the built in concept of my statement in the first place. Also, didn't say it was a man. Equal opportunity here. The person is residing (not traveling). What we are talking about is "being", not going some place.

Very interesting concept, and thanks for sharing your views. What you are describing is a very real guru type dynamic. You can see it more often when the guru type dies, and then all of the people who have been sort of drafting off the energy of the guru, feel a massive drop and kind of lose it. But, in this particular case, the example is not relevant for a couple of reasons. First, anyone who becomes stable at what many call “light level”, is stable in their own right. Or in your example case, is a guru in their own right and has their own “source”. Secondly, regarding me specifically, I do not transmit energy in the way you have described, specifically such that the dependencies you describe do not happen. If you read my experiences thread, you will see that I touch on some of the problems that can come up with those kinds of energy dependencies. Yes, absolutely nothing to worry about for this person. But, as stated above, there are situations where other people who are not yet stable could be effected. You personally have felt the relative drop effect after things like a dive wear off. The astral body is a weak subset of what you call the “soul”, the person we are discussing is well beyond such concepts of the astral body. Or you could say, the person is naturally based in the soul (your terms).

Thank you for sharing. Nice to hear that you feel no need to take any type of hallucinogen. Are your spiritual experiences that you have now the same as when you were using the LSD? Or are they deeper in some way now?

And your point is what? That you believe that such drugs are an effective path to higher levels of realization?

Ok, let’s forget about the other person completely. I would be happy to discuss such levels. Would you like to pick a starting point, or should I?

You said... How would you paraphrase that statement (and maybe attempt to add a little humor to the thread)?

Sorry, didn’t say what? Or what did I misunderstand?