Jeff

Your situation is not that uncommon, particularly with those who are just starting with new body energy stuff. In simple terms, you have begun to open your “heart” (chakra), but it is like you are stuck in highly receptive mode, and not transmitting the energy back out. In more Taoist terms, you are yin, but backed up on the yang side. In mental, or psychological terms, you are noticing issues, but never letting them go. The most direct thing you can do to help in this situation is energy movement exercises, something like Micro Cosmic Orbit or other similar practices. Also, if you would like, I would be happy to sort remotely scan you and maybe make some more detailed suggestions. Just let me know or send me a pm if you are interested.

Ohhh, haha... Guess you could say really, really, really fast counting...

Not sure what you are asking here? That is the approximate number of the people currently living that have the potential to take advantage of the “new stuff”. You personally are one of those 785 million, so let me know if you have (or in the near future) notice any differences. Honestly, I am not trying to make a big deal here, and all such perception is relative. I had just had wondered if any of the members of the bums had noticed anything changing, a few responded that they did and I thanked them for it. Obviously some members have now said that they have not noticed anything.

Sorry, if there is some confusion. No, I know the person very well. My statement was meant to be something like... “someone has done something very rare (and cool), so I thought I would tell you about it, but it is not my place to “out” the person.” More a statement of human potential than anything else.

That is like asking why is not all of humanity able to feel and use energy. Could make an interesting thread topic of its own. Simply put, potential is not the same as realization.

Any of these people that you consider more senior (or sensitive) that I could talk to about it? Would be very interesting to me.

My point was really regarding the sub point that RV brought up regarding group dynamics and cross energy stuff. One has to be pretty sensitive to energy flows to notice the differences in the early stages. That is why I posted the thread in the first place as the topic and what people noticed. But, if you are specifically asking how many people are currently connected (or have the potential) to this “shift”, the number is approximately 785 million currently living people.

Very true. And super amazing what can happen when those numbers measure in the millions. Some crazy stuff. But it all kind of works like with nesting dolls, such interaction happens at such “doll level” or inside. So shifts at the largest (or highest) can be world system changing.

Excellent point. Guess it just depends upon how big the group happens to be.

And who inflicts this punishment upon you?

No problem at all with your disagreement. I can see how your position is totally reasonable from your point of view. Interesting that you find things like punching in the face helpful, but to each their own.

For those who have been paying attention, seems like new framework is now stable, and pretty much fully up and running. I would agree with Arramu in that it is sort of “higher potential”. The difference is sort of like going from a 3G cell network to 4LTE. Everyone should just naturally shift over time, but if you are having some issues with it, feel free to send me a pm.

Sums it up well. Also, for any who are interested. Felt another shift/power outage/reboot from 4-6:30 am (US central).

Thanks everyone for your responses. It was very helpful.

Thanks to all who have replied so far, but a quick question for those who have felt a difference... As you read this message right now, does the energy feel stronger (or clearer)? (somewhat time sensitive question as I am monitoring something)

As WayofChi stated, it is really about you having a fear/issue stored in your energy body. When the guy told you about being with the girl, conscious mind energy flow "hit" the subconscious fear/issue of desire (or being unloved) and things crashed. But such real world issues can be helpful, as you noticed the flow difference, rather than just get caught up in the emotion. Maybe try to look into why it bothered you so much, Best, Jeff

I guess I don't get your point here. That is like saying that Jesus was simply Jewish (sorry couldn't help myself ). Brand new stuff for those who had greater capacity, after the original physical Buddha had died. Or you could simply say back in the old days, the company did some advanced research and development. Coming out with some new products for those who had the capacity to use them. As CT said, new Buddhas with new stuff to help the sentient beings... And there is a lot of good and new tech out there now...

My point is really that historians (and philosophers) do not really understand what a teaching or transmission is. They have no concept at all and only attempt to translate and understand written words, not the meaning underneath them. I believe these words from a living Dzogchen master more accurately describe it... The Vairo Drabag, which is believed to relate an ancient tradition, speaks of the transmission of the teaching through four kayas or dimensions: mensions: svabhavikakaya, or dimension of the fundamental nature, dharmakaya, sambhogakaya, and the secret kaya, or dimension (gsang ba'i sku). However, this subdivision takes into consideration only the transmission of the Tantra and Dzogchen teachings. II. THE TWELVE PRIMORDIAL TEACHERS The traditional texts assert that the promulgation of the Dzogchen teaching is not limited to the human world. For example, the tantra The All-surpassing Sound (sGra thal 'gyur) explains that it is found in no less than thirteen solar systems (thal ba) as well as our own, and describes scribes minutely, albeit cryptically, the location of these worlds and the characteristics of the beings that inhabit them. Much better known, on the other hand, is the tradition that states that Garab Dorje was preceded by twelve teachers (ston pa bcu gnyis), described in the texts as nirmanakaya manifestations of the primordial Buddha Vajradhara. -The Supreme Source Additionally, to your point that they were all simply the teachings of Buddha in his lifetime... Garab Dorje is the teacher who transmitted the teachings and tantras of Dzogchen currently available to us. All the sources unanimously declare that he was born after Buddha Sakyamuni's parinirvana, or final passing, although they do not agree on the precise date. In any case, the majority set this great teacher's birth about three hundred and sixty years after the Buddha's death, in the second century B.C.E. -The Supreme Source

Very well said. Thank you.

Any of the Historians that you follow have any examples of Buddha teaching something like Dzogchen at the time when he was living? Possibly any sutra (or teaching) anywhere that supports your view/position?

So historically, Buddha taught all methods the same right from the beginning of his awakening? What about the 4th turning, did Buddha teach that too right from the beginning?

It was just an analogy, no need to extrapolate to the entire west. So then I assume that you are saying that the first, second and third turnings all say exactly the same thing? No difference at all in relevative capacity (or potential) and hence it is even silly to talk about "turnings" in the first place?

That is like saying traces of the concepts of the words of Jesus are found in ancient Jewish texts. Of course an academic would find some thread or trace connecting things. But, what Jesus taught was radically different than the teachings of the Old Testament. It was a major and dramatic shift (or turning ). As I mentioned in an earlier text, anyone who is interested in the nature of the "shift", simply review the Buddhist difference between an early text Buddha (arhat) and a second turning one (and then later a third). You will easily see a huge shift of potential and ability for a Buddha to "help" sentient beings. Thanks for the discussion.

Even for academics, turning the wheel means "new" teachings. Hence, the nature of the three teachings in the first place. Three different approaches relative to the capacity of the practioner.

Maybe this will help with understanding how the turning of the wheel is part of the development of a Buddha, particularly one who goes through the merit door... Translated from Sanskrit into Chinese in the Tang Dynasty by The Tripiṭaka Master Prajñā from Kophen Fascicle 40 (of 40) At that time Samantabhadra Bodhisattva-Mahāsattva, having praised Tathāgatas’ merit, said to the Bodhisattvas and the youth Sudhana: “Good men, if Buddhas [in worlds] in the ten directions expound Tathāgatas’ merit continuously for as many kalpas as there are dust particles in innumerable Buddha Lands, they still can never finish their narrations. If one wants to go through this Merit Door, one should train in the ten great vowed actions. What are these ten? Turning the wheel of Dharma, is a natural process of the formation of the dharmakaya. It is the manifest embodiment of helping all sentient beings.