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Here are some thoughts on chapter 21... While the Tao is elusive to realize, Anything else is simply an intermediate state. While hard to find, it is in all mental constructs. While hard to catch, it is in every object. While hard to see, it is in every sight or sound. It is the essence of all and the basis of 10,000 things. It has always been that if you realize this, You will know the ways of all creation.
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The vibrations that you are feeling are actually based in your heart (chakra). You are nearing the point of consciously opening your throats chakra (or upper dantien), when you do, you will start to more directly connect to the people and environment around you. The vibrations are sort of your subconscious fear and expectation of those connections. Kind of like a dam near breaking into your conscious aspects of mind.
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Very sorry to hear about his death. He was a nice guy who was always willing to share. Talked to him for quite a while in his early years on the road in the van. Lost touch with him some where along the way.
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The next verse touches on that point... 50. Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.' If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"
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To me, Verse 49 goes well with verse 48. Those who are "alone" are those who have realized... 48. Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in a single house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move from here!' and it will move." ...and integrated the two energy sides. Also, the word "chosen" is important because the kingdom is not something that you can reach by works. All you can do is make yourself ready to accept the grace when it comes. Finally, the last part is about how it is not some separate place or something new, but more about realizing and returning.
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I thought it might be interesting to discuss the Shiva sutras and what they state and imply relative to approach and what is possible. The sutras are sort of naturally broken into three sections and paths relative to one's "potential". I thought we might start with the "highest" one and see what everyone thought... 3.1. ātmā cittam Individual being is the mind entangled in the wheel of repeated birth and death. 3.2. jñānaṁ bandhaḥ (For this limited individual), all knowledge is bondage. 3.3. kalādīnāṁ tattvānāmaviveko māyā Being unable to possess the undifferentiated knowledge of the thirty-one elements, you live in those elements, from kalā to pṛithvī (earth), which are the expansion of the energy of illusion (māyā śakti). 3.4. śarīre saṁhāraḥ kalānām You must make all the circles (kalās) in your body enter one into the other from gross to subtle. 3.5. nāḍīsaṁhāra-bhūtajaya-bhūtakaivalya- bhūtapṛithaktvāni The merging of the movements of breathing, controlling the gross elements, diverting attention from all objective senses and directing it towards the center of the movement of the breath, and removing your consciousness from the grip of the elementary field, … 3.6. mohāvaraṇātsiddhih … these powers are brought into existence when a yogi’s consciousness is covered by the energy of illusion (māyā). 3.7. mohajayād anantābhogāt sahajavidyājayaḥ After conquering the field of illusion (māyā) by destroying its many impressions, one attains the victory of the pure knowledge of consciousness. 3.8. jāgratdvitīyakarah The waking state is another formation of his real nature of consciousness. 3.9. nartaka ātmā The dancer in this field of universal dance is his self of universal consciousness. 3.10. raṅgo’ntarātmā The player is the internal soul. 3.11. prekṣakāṇīndriyāṇi His own organs are spectators. 3.12. dhīvaśātsattvasiddhiḥ By means of a supreme intellect filled with awareness of the self, this yogī experiences that he is actually acting. 3.13. siddhaḥ svatantrabhāvaḥ The state of absolute independence is already achieved. 3.14. yathā tatra tathānyatra This (absolute independence) is the same in the external world as it was in samādhi. 3.15. bījāvadhānam Maintain breakless awareness on that supreme energy which is the seed of the universe. 3.16. āsanasthaḥ sukhaṁ hrade nimajjati Seated in that real posture, he effortlessly dives in the ocean of nectar. 3.17. svamātrānirmāṇamāpādayati Experiencing that this objective world is the product of his subjective consciousness, he can create anything he desires. 3.18. vidyā ‘vināśe janmavināśaḥ When his knowledge of the Self is permanently established, then birth (and death) are gone forever. 3.19. kavargādiṣu māheśvaryādyāḥ paśumātaraḥ In the world of letters, words and sentences, the eight energies of the Lord, who are the mothers of beasts (take control and hold him). 3.20. triṣu caturthaṁ tailavadāsecyam The fourth state (turya) must be expanded like oil so that it pervades the other three: waking, dreaming and deep sleep. 3.21. magnaḥ svacittena praviśet The yogī who is merged in his self must enter completely with his mind filled with great awareness. 3.22. prāṇasamācāre samadarśanam When his breath begins to slowly move out toward the external state, then he also experiences the pervasion of God consciousness there. 3.23. madhye ‘varaprasavaḥ He does not experience the state of God consciousness in the center of these three states. 3.24. mātrāsvapratyayasaṁdhāne naṣṭasya punarutthānam When a yogī, in coming out from samādhi, also attempts to maintain awareness of God consciousness in the objective world, then, even though his real nature of self is destroyed by the inferior generation of self-consciousness, he again rises in that supreme nature of the self. 3.25. śivatulyo jāyate He becomes just like Śiva. 3.26. śarīravṛittirvratam His virtuous behavior is the maintenance of his body. 3.27. kathā japaḥ Ordinary talk of life is the recitation of mantra. 3.28. dānamātmajñānam His only purpose for remaining in his body is to impart knowledge to others. 3.29. yo’vipastho jñāhetuśca The one who rules the wheel of energies becomes the cause of inserting knowledge in others. 3.30. śvaśaktipracayo’sya viśvam For him, this universe is the embodiment of his collective energies. 3.31. sthitilayau This universe is the expansion of his energy in objective impressions and in the dissolution of those impressions. 3.32. tatpravṛittāvapyanirāsaḥ saṁvettṛibhāvāt Although he is determined in creating, protecting and destroying the universe, even then he is not separated from the real state of his subjectivity. 3.33. sukhaduḥkhayorbahirmananam He experiences his joy and his sadness just like an object, with “this-consciousness” separate from his being. 3.34. tadvimuktastu kevalī Separated from pleasure and pain, he is established in real seclusion. 3.35. mohapratisaṁhatastu karmātmā The yogī whose God consciousness is destroyed by this state of illusion is dependent on his action. 3.36. bhedatiraskāre sargāntarakarmatvam He drives away the field of differentiated perceptions and enters into a new world of God consciousness. 3.37. karaṇa śaktiḥ svato’nubhavāt The power of creation is the experience of every individual. 3.38. tripadādyanuprāṇanam Emerging from turya, insert the absolute bliss of that state into the waking, dreaming and deep sleep states and they will become one with that state of turya. 3.39. citta sthitivaccharīra karaṇabāhyeṣu This awareness of God consciousness should not only be infused in that state where one’s mind is established in one-pointedness but it should also be infused in the establishment of his body, in his organic actions and in the external objective world. 3.40. abhilāṣādbahirgatiḥ saṁvāhyasya Due to the insatiable and insistent desire to fill the gap (in his nature), his flow and movement are toward the objective world, not subjective consciousness, and so he is carried from one birth to another. 3.41. tadārūḍhapramitestatkṣayājjīva saṁkṣayaḥ All desire vanishes in that fortunate person whose consciousness is established in his own real nature. For him the state of being a limited individual has ended. 3.42. bhūtakañcukī tadā vimukto bhūyaḥ patisamaḥ paraḥ For him, the five elements are only coverings. At that very moment, he is absolutely liberated, supreme and just like Śiva. The text raises many interesting thoughts and ramifications. Implying in 3.29 that one can "insert knowledge" in others. And things like the universe is his energies in 3.31. Also, he becomes just like God/Siva in 3.25. Any thoughts?
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In some traditions it is also known of as the connection (voice) of the wisdom goddesses or Dakinis. It is a flow (energy) which clears away the issues/fears/obstructions, giving access to greater clarity of mind/wisdom.
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To make it even more confusing, I would describe the 0ne as actually the motion of the Dao. Or you could say that the One should be a verb...
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The Dao is also not really a verb either, as any such "telling" is inherently limiting and hence not the Dao. But since we are on a forum, one tends to attempt to use word descriptors. As the Tao Te Ching tells us... CHAPTER 1 The Dao that can be told is not the eternal Dao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless, is the Mother of Heaven and Earth. The named is the manifestations of the Ten Thousand Things. Ever desireless, one can feel (heart) the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see its manifestations. These two are born from the same source, but differ in form; one appears as imperceptible, infinity upon infinity. Here lies the path of all mystery.
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The Dao is all. The universe could be described as the one that emerged from the Dao. A human or human behavior is part of 10,000 things which are also born of the Dao.
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Isn't that saying that everything preordained, and hence no such thing as free will? More just a movie that is going along?
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How can there be two of them? Doesn't that kind of defeat the whole purpose/concept?
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The above Sutta quotes are not particularly deep. They are views from when one is beginning to see beyond the local body mind, but has not yet realized actual "being". In classical chakra terms, it would go with opening the 6th chakra.
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Not sure I understand what you are asking? I am just saying that I am only sharing my own direct experience. Not talking about something you read in a book.
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Welcome. Will send you a PM.
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Is this some entity that you "called"? Or think you may have helped in creating? Or more like some Spirit at some specific location?
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It also can be a lot of fun too... The stuff you find can be so cool. Making even an old man like me smile like a little kid...
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I think this is a good approach. But, I think it is important (as I think CT said earlier) to not get attached to your view, otherwise you will never notice if you find something that doesn't really fit your scientific hypothesis. To me, childlike curisiousity is more valuable than trying to prove out something you have read or heard.
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My question was not meant as an intellectual thing, just trying to find out if the above was accurate from your view. My experience/knowing is different on points like that.
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Thanks. So you completely agree with the above? As an example that... 41. Without the body sense I am perfect, total and complete. 42. You are changeless and permanent.
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Are there not many other traditions that would disagree about AV being the true essence of the Upanishads? Or is that now something that is universally agreed?
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The OP was only a starting point for a discussion. But also I think many here (like in Steve's example) have also raised a very good point about even what you call "direct knowing" and how even that perception may change. Just because someone has directly experienced something, it does not prove there is not more deeper or refined to "know".
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I was really just kidding, as in this case you posted something, rather than deleting and not posting at all. Thank you for sharing this point. I think it is excellent and a very useful point to make. If I may be so bold, it sounds to me like you are saying something different that Roger was above.
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Thanks, that does sound like you are saying something exactly like "One without a second (permanently existing)" for Advaita Vedanta.