Jeff

While I understand the logic of the need for some forum members wanting to control the flow of their specific thread, I believe that should be reserved to specific sections of the forum. I believe that such a general practice has the risk of stifling honest debate in the future, with the potential of creating a one sided view that can be misleading. I have seen this happen in other forums. Just recently I had an active discussion on a topic with a few regular members of another forum in which I was arguing a counter point to the broader group. Even as the discussion was ongoing, "management" decided that 8 of my posts with counter points should be deleted from the thread as being off topic, while leaving over 20 posts in the thread that directly attacked individuals. After such deletion, locked the thread with the disparaging comments as the final point to the thread. Any unsuspecting forum reader who periodically reads the forum would be left with a completely misleading view of the topic (and discussion). While Taobums may be the wild west, I appreciate it's openness. Take away freedom of speech and it can be a slippery slope for any group. Best wishes. p.s. I would have put this message in with Dawei's original announcement, but that thread is locked and inaccessible to direct comment.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the similarities (or differences) of advanced practices found in Sufism and Gnostic Christianity.

CT recently posted the following quote in his ongoing thread. It makes some subtle and important points that I thought were worth discussing, and rather than distract from his quotes I decided to start a new thread... The pleasure orientation is very important, very powerful, and very basic. If you are not pleasure-oriented, you can’t understand tantra. You have to be pleasure-oriented, because otherwise you are pain- and misery-oriented. But this is not a psychological trick of convincing yourself through positive thinking. It is an obvious, reasonable, and real thing. When you treat yourself well, you feel good. When you feel good, you dress yourself in good clothes and adorn yourself with beautiful ornaments. It is a very natural and basic way of relating to oneself. The main qualities of tantra that come out here are basic trust and basic elegance. Elegance here means appreciating things as they are. Things as you are and things as they are. There is a sense of delight and of fearlessness. You are not fearful of dark corners. If there are any dark, mysterious corners, black and confusing, you override them with your glory, your sense of beauty, your sense of cleanness, your feeling of being regal. Because you can override fearfulness in this way, tantra is known as the king of all the yanas. You take an attitude of having perfectly complete and very rich basic sanity. ~ Chogyam Trungpa ~ Thoughts?

I was not attempting to leave in any door, and was just attempting to describe what I thought was the area of specific concern. In practical terms, I am saying that I will only be stopping by periodically to respond to any pm messages from a few of the old members that sometimes reach out. Also, I apologize to everyone for any emotional distress I may have caused. My intent was always just to be helpful, but I realize that it come out that way. I also apologize that when I sometimes try to explain things, it can come out as sounding arrogant. I do not try to do that, but can definitely see how it could seem like it.

The pm comment was not related to you, I was talking about the broader member group if you read it in context.

Relax my friend, you have already won your battle, and I have already promised that I will not initiate contact with any member at this forum (or any other forum).

No, that is not case. I was not trying to transfer any responsibility. As I have repeated stated, I take full responsibility for all of my actions. I own everything that I have done with everyone here. When you work with someone (or hug), it is not some energy transfer or some bizarre sexual game. It is actually loving someone so much that you are willing to share your soul with them. Share any and all pains with them. Being the garbage can for all of it. Sharing the room for dealing with it that they themselves do not have. And yes, being the barrier that protects when the deep stuff is too much. Yes, it is and always will be mine and I take full responsibility. Love more... Yes, you made your decision, but seemed to not be willing to just tell me. More broadly, people seem to love to post these threads, but I was suprised that no one wanted to send a simple pm message. Finally, there is no need for me to initiate any contact with any new (or existing) member here regarding any help (or scanning stuff). I will not bother anyone with any such offer at the bums (or any forum). Love and Best wishes to all

You correct in that I don’t really channel or project energy, and the dynamic is different. It is hard to describe, but the difference is more like trying to define the difference between foreground and background. When I go into someone’s “local space” (or hug), it is like I manifest there and kind of look around. My presence will most likely effect (or people notice) at the heart level. Yin/Yang attempts to naturally balance, and you get the polarity differences I have discussed. In the other mode, it is more like I am just noticing the background energy that people are transmitting when they focus on me when they do things like write posts in this thread. Their “thinking” is really an energy process/transmission that is noticeable.

would love to see that pm message. Please forward pm it to me when you get a chance?

How about this for everyone as a possible concept for everyone... 1) I promise never to scan someone at the bums when they just want to know based upon interest or for fun. 2) I will only offer to help/scan when someone has expressed extreme issues/concern, and no one else qualified here has previously offered to help or answer questions. And will not engage without expressed permission. 3) As long the being scanned member allows it, I will always post my findings in open for the members to read. Thoughts?

Yes, I agree there is great responsibility and I have always treated it that way. Also, as I have always stated, I take full responsibility for all of my actions, and any resulting Karma associated with it. But, I am not convincing anyone of anything, one can either do it or not. And with the ability also comes a sacred responsibility, I never go where not asked, but I will never reject any honest request. When asked, it shall be given. The authority in this matter is yours to decide, and I give you my word that I will abide by it. I await your decision? Best wishes to all

Please read my actual posts. I have hundreds of them explaining these concepts over many years. Additionally, I explained it in this thread.

No, you seem to have not read my post/question. I asked how many years?

Reading such a post where you believe such things truly saddens me. I have always respected our forum discussions and considered you to be an open minded person. Once I made an offer to another member of this forum, and I will make same offer to you... If you feel that I should leave this forum to you and your friends here, I will go. Simple as that. Let me know what you decide? PM is fine if that is what you prefer. Best wishes to all.

With the endless posts and questions of me in the past, you have to know that this is not true. Please do not make up things. I have even explained this point earlier in this thread.

Again, how many years did you know and not say anything? I hope you can break free. Best wishes.

So sad that you never seemed to have the courage to tell me. I hope you can break free. Best wishes.

So how long were you involved with this plan to read all of my private messages? And why did you not bother to tell or warn me, all the time pretending to be a friend? How many years was it?

Turn on and off? Please explain what in the world you are talking about?

The shit you are making up is so sad to see. Especially when you know you are making it all up. Even sadder to see how many people who also know they are lies also like it. Yes, I am aware that you and another woman were continually violating my privacy and reading confidential personal messages of others. No, I am not part of the same lineage, and no she is not part of some dark Tantra. You broke free of her? Come on, be honest with yourself and what you have actually done. Additionally, everyone knows that you are simply trying to bait Tom with your disgusting comments about his marriage.

I would agree with the OP that it is a good question of discussion to ask, but a meaningless one, as Sean does not really care about moderation. It is the Wild West and will probably just stay that way.

Enjoy the weedwhacking!

Well it seems this topic has exhausted any real discussion, and I need to get some work done. If anyone has any real questions, or wants to discuss any of the topics, feel free send me a pm. Feel free to keep the party going, I am sure you will enjoy yourselves...

I would agree that a “battery pack” is a useful analogy.

To any who may be interested... From the gospel of Thomas 22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom." They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?" Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."