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Cheers for this. I respect the teachings of your Lama. I am interested if there is any way to verify the Bon Po root of the Lo Shu. Religions do after all have an historical habit of claiming the discoveries of another as their own Whilst you can certainly draw lines of connection with this Bon Po Swastika we certainly cannot say with any certainty at all that it was the originating inspiration for the Lo Shu.

Can you elaborate on this some more please? Why do you think this is the case?

Cheers for this It would be great if you could provide some links or references to support what you say

Thought these would be useful in here:

I believe this was the relevant quote from this article: "A group of people are misusing religion to serve their own interests."

Actually consider this ... soda contains poisons that hurt the body, the body does everything it can to get rid of such poisons ... how much will power have you had to engage to override the body's natural inclination to spew all that soda straight back up?

This deserved it's own thread which I have started here: The Lo Shu 洛書 (River Book) Magic Square Hope it answers some questions

I appreciate what you are saying Mak Tin Si ... however I believe you are taking a tangent away from what our main intent is here. Our focus is on a specific ceremony to cater to a very specific set of circumstances. Let's stay on track shall we

It would seem you and I are in agreement.

Could you please be more clear on exactly how you see this being applicable to the current proceedings in this thread?

Hi johntrevy, I absolutely hear what you say, I have had similar thoughts myself. We must tread cautiously, and as just discussed, full consent from all parties must be forthcoming. I really appreciate and admire the compassion and inclusiveness that you have expressed here.

Thank you MTS ... I will articulate quite clearly once again that the current intent is unquestionably to assist Gossamer. That may change in future, but for now that intent is resolute. Blessings,

Thank you for creating this dialogue ... in my endeavour to articulate my perception I have gained new learning. _/\_ Firstly may I say that all this distinguishing of "this is this" and "that is that" is merely conceptual gymnastics. The ultimate reality is that all is one unified existance. These models and names are for the conceptual convenience of the mind and fall short of the subtle originalness. However, I am rather partial to such mind games , so with the spirit of the proverbial finger pointing to the moon let us explore. My first sense was that the idea of trying to 'drop Yi' was tantamount to saying 'Ok, stop using your spleen now'. Of course such a notion would be ludicrous. I say this because in the Wu Xing 五行 (five phases) we have these correlations: Wood - Liver - Hun, Ethereal Soul(s) Fire - Heart - Shen, spirit/mind Earth - Spleen - Yi, Intent/Intellect Metal- Lungs - Po, Corporeal Soul(s) Water - Kidneys - Zhi, Will-Power In my study and training I have learned that the Yi is not to be dropped but rather, through the process of inner sublimation, Yi is brought 'into line' with Shen to become Shen Yi or "True Intent". With this 'alignment' in place our actions are governed by Te, true nature, and we exist within the Wu of Wu Wei. So in essence when our Yi, along with all the other elements of the Wu Xing, are governed by and united with Shen we could possibly say that we are 'one with Tao'.

Do yourself a favour and read this book: The Only Way to Stop Smoking Permanently The addiction process for cigarettes is the same for any addiction. Only a small percentage is chemical addiction, the vast majority is from the underlying belief system.

Please define your understanding of 'Yi' and 'dropped' Thank you

Hi Gold, The 3 Hun 7 Po theorem stems from the magic square (Luo Shu): (Note that the bagua is for the Southern Hemisphere) Following this model: Hun = Wood = Liver = East = 3 Po = Metal = Lungs = West = 7 The 7 Po are considered to be temporal 'animal' spirits or souls whilst the 3 Hun are considered to be eternal 'heavenly' spirits or souls. During the process of birth Hun and Po 'take residence' in the body. At death the Po are said to return back to the earth whilst the Hun exit out through the head to return to the cosmos. I believe the discussion here is about whether these spirits can be sensed and/or interacted with after death. Hope this helped.

way or wei wu wei thats way to much whey for me I prefer porridge

So in your view what happens with the 7 Po souls after death?

Hun & Po TaoBum Topics: Hun, po and other obscurities A question about the Hun and the Po Taoist Terminology ghosts, what do you think ghosts are Taoist Afterlife External Links: Taoist Models of Hun and Po, Part One Taoist Models of Hun and Po, Part Two A note on Hun Po (souls) Hun and Po Yin and Yang souls Fueling the Dream Spirit Po: The Metal Spirit Shen in Neo-Confucian Discourse CHINESE BELIEFS OF DEATH Return to Index (NOTE: Ctrl Click opens a new browser window)

Could you be a little more specific by what you mean by "later".

Anytime is good from now on The timeline is now in your hands MTS. Can you give us a rundown of what you plan to do. We raised CAD$328 ... originally you said that for this you would provide: 1 Admittence into lineage: $90 2 Curing black magic ceremony: $120 3 Distance ceremony: $100 I understand that admittence into lineage is not an option in this case ... so what do you suggest?

I have notified Sean to send the collected money across to you. Just let us know the GMT time on the day you plan to perform your service and we will post it in the Healing Circle. Maybe some of us TBs might send a prayer your way or light an incense at our alters. May this now proceed for the highest good of all.