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Hi, I'm in a tough spot here and would appreciate it if you could come up with an opinion on the matter seeing as you guys have alot of experience on the subject So here's the deal. I suffer from cronic fatique syndrome which limits my training plans quite alot. If I start doing a practice I will be able to do it 5-15minutes a day max. On the other hand I am very interested in all of the spiritual methods that are around. I've done yoga, zen-meditation, tai chi etc but nothing has cured my illness. For some reason I believe that qigong could be the gamebreaker and even if it isn't I still feel that it would be my favored method. I haven't done much of qigong, only experimented with it a few times alone in my home. But I just feel like its the thing for me. Tai chi came really close and infact I do love it (more than yoga or meditation), it is basicly what I'm looking for but its a martial art. So qigong is like Tai Chi but is solely for spiritual purposes and thats what I'm after. Spirituality and better health. The problem is that I live in Finland and there are only a few teachers around. Basicly what we have here is the Healing Tao and Zhinen/Chilel. I also have a teacher in my city who doesn't have a real system so I guess thats off. I've done alot of research on the subject and for example on this forum people aren't very much into HT or Zhineng/Chilel, that makes me very sad. Everyone are talking either about SFQ or a secret system that only they have access to. Ofcourse there are many other disciplines here. But SFQ seems to have the biggest "hype" around it. Now, I already enrolled on a Zhineng course but after reading all the not so enthusiastic opinions on the system or the lack of them I've come to think I should cancel. Its kind of heavy on my budjet also, being a student. Ontop of that I didn't really resonate with it. The fact that it's an "open system" where you gather chi mainly from the outside at first makes me question can it work? While HT isn't the biggest thing here most people seem to give it some credit, so from reading the threads that seems to be the better of the two. My main concern in choosing a system is my disease. I really hope I could cure it, I am trying all the possible natural remedies but none of them seem to take it away. I've gone trough alot of illnesses and mental problems and have been able to cure them all trough psychotherapy, diet and natural remedies. CFS is the only one that just sticks there like a glue. I had to stop doing Tai Chi a year ago, because it made me tired overall. Although it took me a while to admit it. I did it for half a year without any change in my condition. I really hope I could find a system that I could stick to. I would also be happy if there was even a slight chance of curing my disease with it. HT seems like the correct choice but the exercises seem rather complicated keeping in mind that I have a 15minute window to execute them. For example I'm really into the six healing sounds but the inner smile meditation seems too troublesome. (Watched the dvd) One option would be to do SFQ based on videos, but it would take another 5-8 years before I get money to go on a real course

I'm in aswell, so glad I could arrange this to happen

Also saw Dreaming Fugitive in that thread, could PM him I'm going to the workshop by Ya Mu. It says in the description that there will be stillness-movement done standing (also sitting) and I think I read somewhere that its somewhat like ZZ. We'll see how it goes, thnx for all the advices I'll keep them in mind

Hi guys, been over a week since anyone has posted anything in this thread but your discussion concerns me I'm at the verge of signing in for the Finland course aswell. I have cronic fatique syndrome too and am interested in this system to not only help me cure my disease but also go beyond that and ultimately get me to heal people. The funny thing is that what I've read on the internet about this method it seems like I've already been doing it in many ways. For example I used to do this "free-form meditation" and ended up doing something that sounds just like stillness-movement and even the experiences were quite similar, first there was something going on in the dan-tian and eventually the energy went upwards. Its hard to explain but somehow I've been able to connect many of my experiences to the description of these practices, its like my intuition has guided me torwards this method even before I heard about it. Its not just the meditation. Its like many times when "I feel spiritual" but dont have a practice, I start doing some kind of stillness-movement just on my own in the apartment or something. When I'm in the woods I many times go touch the trees, its like my intuition says theres something there. I dont know. But this method does connect with me. Now for the questions. 1. While doing the practice do you guys become more sensitive to your own energies? Like at first a person might not even feel the chi, but do you eventually learn to feel it? How well do you feel it? Are you able to say what kind of chi is going where? Can you manipulate chi inside you? I understand that this method is about letting it happen, what I'm asking is that whether there comes a capability for these things with it. Doesn't mean you do it even if you could. Just trying to figure the outlines 2. How about the chi outside of you can you sense that? How vividly do you sense it? If a person who has a physical illness or problem walks up to you but doesn't say where the problem is can you sense it? 3. I read that Dreamlight Fugitive is also suffering from cronic fatique syndrome. How good a system is this for healing yourself? I mean its obvious that you can heal just about anyone or anything, but does this system heal you? 4. Because of my disease when it comes to spiritual practice there are only a few that I've been able to do. For example zen-meditation makes me very tired, tai chi is another example. I've had good experiences only with yoga and qigong. But even with those I cant practice for hours, more like minutes. So what if I'm able to practice only for say 15minutes a day? Will it help at all? Should I then do gift of the tao or stillness-movement? 5. If you do stillness-movement while sitting are you in a basic meditation posture (like legs crossed, half-lotus or full-lotus and back straight)? Where do you keep your arms? How does stillness-movement work while walking, can you do it while you walk to the buss stop? I'm buzzed

Yea I've tried the Macca powder and all the other powders aswell. Atm I'm doing a parasite cleanse and after that I'm gonna do a liver and kidney flush. The parasite cleanse has had a very good effect on me. I do make little proggress with each dietary change and supplement. I just think that having a practice would atleast speed the process or maybe be the cure. I feel like with the supplements and diets they always make my overall condition better but they never actually change the fact that I can't exercise. It's like today I feel completely normal, as long as I dont stress myself regularly. I used to feel like crap every minute. But the main problem hasn't gone away.. When it comes to me handling a workshop I can handle it. I can handle the occasional burst in activity. In that way I am actually a blessed CFS sufferer. Most guys with CFS cant get out of the bed in the morning. I can live an almost normal life as long as I dont stress my body. Ontop of that I can stress my body if its not frequent. For example I could go to the gym no problem, its after the workout that I feel tired. For 1hour of gym I need to spend the next day in bed. But its not like I cant do the exercise if I want to. So I know I can do a two day workshop, I'm not gonna collapse in the middle of the exercises. But after the workshop I will be resting for a couple of days. So when youre talking about having a daily practice it just doesn't work if I have to recover from it at all other times except when practicing. That is why the limit is 15minutes, with that amount of trainining it might work so that I can still go to school etc. The funny thing is that for some reason all the daily activities like cleaning etc dont stress my body. But the minute I start doing an actual practice whether it is meditation, tai chi or the gym (which is even more gentle than cleaning) it stresses my body. Its like my nervous system is overloaded when I "practice". Not sure if I'm making any sense. I feel like all the best things in life are forbidden for me. I've now been for half a year without any practice and it is making me mad. I thought I would get better if I didn't do anything and let my body just regenerate, doesn't seem to be the case. I did have this one experience when I tested with qigong during my tai chi era. I did five minutes of a random qigong exercise taught by my tai chi instructor for a couple of days. It was a very basic exercise where you just moved your hands and concentrated on the movement. I started noticing instant changes. The next day I felt like there was a ball of energy in my stomach and I didnt feel tired from the exercise. I felt as if I had tapped onto some secret power. I didn't stick with it because there was no system involved, it was just a random exercise. But it made me think "qigong is the thing for me". This is basicly the reason I'm now searching for a system. I'm a rational person and a future oriented one. I need to know the science behind what I'm doing and I need to now where I'm going. Doing a random exercise which I dont understand is not my style. I figured that if a random exercise gives me this, then a real system will give me the same and maybe even more. I also feel being drawn into tai chi and qigong, when I see someone do them I go "I wanna join in!". When I look at someone doing yoga I go "blah". It's nice to have these recommendations. I've started to feel like I should just start testing different systems and go with the one that gives me the best initial vibes. Talking of vibes Michael Lomax and the workshop in Finland have started to interest me. I'm contemplating how I could be able to conjure the money for the workshop. I'm a student and live on the social security funds of Finland. But if I want something enough it can be done. This seems like a rare opportunity to meet a "real master". Don't think we have them in Finland in the qigong circles. When it comes to Yoga we have many actual masters of the art. Qigong is a rare beast here. So yea, this is definitely a golden opportunity. Ya Mu has generetad a positive hype around himself in the internet I sent an email to the people who are arranging this event. Let's hope there is still room

I suggest you start by reading a book called China Study, it basically tells you just why you should take on a vegetarian approach and has very solid data to back it up. My personal opinion is that you should not be satisfied with just any vegetarian food but instead try to keep it as raw and fresh as possible. So my personal advice is go for a raw vegetarian diet and you're body will blossom Dont have any books for raw foodism tho. After many years of testing with my own body I have come to be a fruit-based vegetarian. I get my energy from fruits and on top of that I eat a range of all kinds of vegetables etc. All of my food is raw and fresh. This diet suits me the best in terms of how good I feel and how much I have energy. Sometimes I also eat steamed vegetables. I'm not sure whether this kind of diet is for everyone but it suits me best My basic day: Start with 5 bananas in the morning A salad with lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber and seaweed, after that some bananas and a pineapple The same salad as above but without the seaweed and with mashed root vegetables coupled with himalayan salt Oranges, apples, bananas etc in the evening

I play Magic the Gathering with my friends. It is a card-game for nerds who want reach total absolution within the realm of nerdness. Since StarTrek there really hasn't been a competitor for the sheer volume of nerdness that playing MTG accumulates. After a long time of cultivation the nerdy energy that an MTG player harnesses on a daily basis nothing happens, except of the fact that you will still be a nerd.

Agreed

Hi guys. I've been doing some serious reading on Daoist alchemy. I started my spiritual path as a buddhist but now I've also developed an interest on Daoist immortality. Infact I feel like I might be changing my goal from enlightenment to immortality But there are many questions that rise in my mind as a buddhist when I read about Daoism. They seem to contradict each other so much. Like in Daoism you have different spirits and they reincarnate but you dont? I dont understand what is the need for my conciousness if its just a residence for some spirits which I'm not even aware of at this level and then I just die and they are born again in some different conciousness with a different group of spirits? Such a thought seems quite depressing for me tbh. I feel like I'm just a useless container that will be thrown away in the end What about the people who have had NDE's and reported that after death they went trough the same series of events. After death they reviewed their lives and could ask any questions and choose new parents etc. Daoism doesnt seem to correlate with those experiences? And the other question is how does becoming enlightened play in all this? What if you are not immortal but are enlightened what happens then? What about immortals can they be enlightened? How does enlightenment work with the spirits what happens to them? I havent been able to find an answer to these questions. It would be really great if I could integrate Buddhism into Daoism. To me it feels like given the amount of meditation and spiritual practice these two schools have done they should both be right. I have great respect for both schools of thought and wouldnt want to let go of either no matter what I choose to go after.

Okay so it seems that Taoist and Taoist Alchemists are two completely different animals? And the view on immortality seems to differ within the Taoist realm Something I'm learning as the Taoist noob I am particularly interested in Alchemism because it seems so scientific. It's like they have made a science out of becoming an immortal (in the sense that they view it) and also it feels shamanistic which fascinates me on a personal level

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I have a very clear view of enlightenment and buddhism dont get me wrong here I know that when it comes to enlightenment there is nothing to obtain and if there is, it can only be reached by not trying to get it. For the record I did not ask for instructions on how to become enlightened. I've already read dozens of books about the subject and read many journals of people getting enlightened so I have a very clear view about it (and yes I know having a theoretical view on enlightenment doesnt make you enlightened! ). But anyways I wish you could spare me from the lecture. All I'm doing here is asking questions that intrigue my mind. I know it is a sin as a buddhist to masturbate with ideas but I like it. I like to play with ideas and theoretics. Infact the very existence of this forum is kind of retarded if you take the kind of attitude that speaking about something and playing with ideas is forbidden I mean in that case the only reply you should do to any kind of a thread would be "drop it, dont think about it, go away". But again this is not an enlightenment-only-thread. I think it is okay to play with ideas as long as you are aware of the fact that in the end they dont matter. I understand that I might've come off seeming like a clueless guy and I thank you for the information, but I already know it. So I wish we could have an actual conversation about the subject. To me it seems like I got answers mainly from people who are buddhists and have the "enlightenment-view". I'm not sure how well Michael Winns articles represent the Daoist idea of immortality but atleast based on his writing it is vastly different from enlightenment. According to him and what I've read elsewhere I've got the impression that there are different things that need to happen so you can become immortal. You cannot become an immortal "just by getting it" like you can when it comes to enlightenment. Daoist immortality what I've read about it says that you have to genereate chi to a certain extent and make all these things with your energy body, learn to tell the difference between all kind of chi's etc. So the picture is very different from buddhist enlightenment where you let go and "come to realize it". I mean someone could (and has been) become enlightened right now. But noone could become an immortal spontainiously. Or then Michael Winn's writings are wrong or I'm not getting it when it comes to Daoist alchemy.

Sorry Audiohealing I must've come out wrong I didnt mean to piss you off or make you feel inferior I agree you should try by all means. I myself have not stopped doing spiritual practice despite my condition and it gives me great power and I do agree with you that you should indeed do it, but also search for professional help. I believe that spiritual masters do not have the kind of experience and education needed to actually cure people from mental illnesses. "So many weird and unexpected shit can happen in life. There are sooo many variables in this situation that psychotherapy can't even begin to solve." I dont understand how doing spiritual practice would be somehow different. Sorry I didnt mean it like that when I said its for "normal" people All I'm saying is that a person suffering from a mental illness is in a completely different situation (doesnt make him inferior or take away from his value as a human being) with his mind and it is much more tricky to begin working it with spiritual practices. I'm not saying you cant have a fullfilling spiritual life ofcourse you can Infact the reason I'm still alive is propably due to my personal mystical experiences. You seem to have a very negative view on psychotherapy I dont think you should confine yourself into anything and that includes doing spiritual practice only There has been alot of research done about spiritual practice and spychoactive plants and their effect on mental illnesses. I have also taken a fair share of psychedelic drugs in my youth and they did work as eye-openers for me just like my mystical experiences, but yet again did not take the problem away. The research done on these fields also shows a similar pattern, where there has been a positive effect but it has been vague and not clear. The problem with psychoactive plants is that while you might go trough a trip where your entire ego is stripped away from you in most cases the experience does not last. You come down from the trip and then you feel good for the next 1-2months but eventually the "realization" you had during the trip wears off and then your in square one only with a memory of what the solution could be. It is a very rare occasion that a person changes fundamentally and permanently due to a psychedelic trip. This poses a problem, because if this happens it means you need to take the substance in order to see the truth and that is not a viable option in the long run, unless you are the shaman in the jungle and it is a part of your culture. There is also alot of research about the effects that tai chi & qi gong have on people suffering from mental illnesses and they show a greater sense of peace, less anxiety, less depression and so forth but again havent been proven to be able to cure people. Sorry if I come out as being rude to you that is not my plan. I just feel that you have a very romantic view about spiritual practices and shamanism. On the other hand you have a very negative view on all the conventional methods. The way I see it is that like you said you dont have many choices. Your all in. But from a statistical point of view the means you are trying to reach your goals are unrealistic. I mean sure if you happen to become the main discipline of a great spiritual master he will cure you and after a year of excessive daily training you will cure yourself. Sure if you do go to the jungle and meet the shaman he may be able to give you a substance and then guide you trough the trip and then all of your problems go away in one night. Sure you MIGHT someday have a mystical experience and be enlightened instantly and all your problems would be gone. But these things are in the realm of propably-not-going-to-happen. The case is that you are suffering and you need to know exactly what is going to happen, how it is going to happen, when it is going to happen, how much is it going to cost and how do you make it happen. I have been asking these questions from myself for 8 years and now atlast I am in a situation where I actually know what it takes for me to feel better, how it is possible to do, where I'm gonna do it, with whom I'm gonna do it, how long its going to last and how much its going to cost. I am so sorry but if you want to be SURE about your personal liberation out of your bad feelings you need to have a clear plan. When you dont exactly know your situation and how your gonna get trough it then yes, the best plan I think is to simply try everything until you know. But I do not think that such a list should only have different spiritual practices, masters and psychoactive substances in it. I share a very similar past with you. When the reality hit me first that I have a mental disease I was also interested in spiritual practices and psychoactive substances and thought to myself "hey, I'm gonna cure myself with these". Didn't happen. I didn't stop practicing I still practice and I like reading all the info on this forum and having all the mystical experiences so I am having a fullfilling spiritual life. I actually had an experience where I did go and meet a psychotherapist and she said to me "you cannot cure yourself by doing spiritual practices" and I was insulted, I told her to fuck off and I left. Year later I had to face the fact that all my efforts hadnt gotten me anywhere. I needed a realistic plan. The first step of my realistic plan was to go to therapy. All of my experiences have made me a very cynical person when it comes to mental problems and answers to them. I can tell you that in my case the solution was a combination of right nutrition (I have candida), psychotherapy (for my mental problems) and a right kind of a plan for treating my cronic fatique syndrome. But before I could know the solutions I had to know the diagnose and the mechanics of how they manifest in me. Anyways. All I'm asking is that if after few years you still find yourself from the same situation and nothing has changed remember this thread and consider trying a conventional method I'm a newbie when it comes to tai chi & qi gong but if you decide to open up for conventional methods or need any kind of help from a guy who has gone trough this you can PM me But if you do choose to go down that road please dont just dream, do the unimaginable. Go to the jungle, find a real master. Give it all you have and you might succeed

Hi Audiohealing, I'm going trough the same situation you are and have been battling with my illness for eight years now. In the course I have tried zen-meditation, yoga and tai chi. None of them have been able to cure my illness. I am also a registered nurse specialized in psychiatrics so I have alot of experience on psychiatrics on both ends Over the years I have come to the conclusion that the main cure for psychiatric diseases is psychotherapy. I didn't make any proggress until I started going to psychotherapy. You see all these spiritual practices are meant for a normal people to enhance himself and raise to a greater level of conciousness. But psychotherapy in the other hand was generated solely for the purpose of healing mental illnesses and it is the only method that has been proven to actually work. Studies show that psychotherapy has 70% chance of being successful, I dont think you see the same number when you look at the amount of people suffering from mental diseases doing yoga or tai chi. In my experience having a regular spiritual practice raises your general mood about as much as a good deppression-medication would and that is big, but it still doesnt remove the problem or make it go away. You need to find out why you are feeling bad, face it and do something about it. You cannot somehow magically go past it by someone healing you or you making spiritual practice. When your talking about mental diseases the problems are so deeply rooted in your own persona and the very existence of your mind that you simply cannot solve those by energy work, that is just my 2 cents. You need to actually KNOW why you are suffering on the personal level to overcome these obstacles, it isnt enough if you generally know the reason for general suffering (like the buddhists for example) or if you enhance your energy-system generally. Unless you become enlightened that is. Imagine this, you have just been raped and you do some energy work. I ask you now: Does the energy work remove the fact that you have just been raped or does it just enhance your energies? Or if someone has insulted you for many years and you do energy work does it make you able to forgive? You see when it comes to difficult emotions it requires you to change somehow and energy work no offense to anyone doesnt MAKE you forgive or tell you that you should, it doesnt give you the kind of insight you need to solve that problem of yours whatever it is. You need help, professional help, you need a person who you can talk to. You can make all the moves in the world as slowly as you can and have tons of phonehealing sessions, but they wont change the fact why you feel bad. You need to figure it out psychologically to solve it. It was a good point said here, that you cant change a bad energy that you are attached to. If you never find out what it is that you are attached to and why you should let go of it how can you ever change?

Haha this thread is brilliant, the comedic value is 100%. I don't even care for the wild goose training anymore I just wanna hear more of settlers stories on satan, jesus and the homosexuals Those kind of posts are the ones that get screenshotted and then posted in facebook and all over the internet for good laughs Keep up the good work guys

Hi everyone I have two questions for you and they are unrelated to each other but I didn't want to make two posts Okay so one is that I've begun doing tai chi on a daily basis and now I have a headache I went from doing around 45minutes 2-3 times a week into doing 15-20minutes daily. Otherwise it has granted me good energy and uppered my general feeling but on top of that I seem to be getting a headache The other question is about taking tattoos. I've always wanted to take one, maybe a buddhist lotus-tribal-figure or something. But it feels somehow controversial to take a tattoo to represent spirituality when taking a tattoo doesn't seem like a very spiritual action So I wish to hear your opinions I somehow think that a pure body would be more spiritual than a tattoo'ed one.

Hehe I'm just a total beginner in Tai Chi I've only learned half of the Yang family 24 form and certainly cannot sense my chi or know where it is going I think I'm miles away from these microcosmic orbs etc Nice story Taomeow Seems like alot of people have thought about taking a tattoo to represent their spiritual beliefs Maybe we should all go and take our tattoos and then post some pictures -K- it would be nice to see it mate

Okay today I did my practice and tried to remain as relaxed as possible, no headache afterwards hope this lasts If not then I'll try the Beating the Heavenly Drum Thnx for advices I guess that my motives for taking a tattoo would be kind of superficial, I mean I think it would look cool and it would be great to have something that is important to me represented in my body But I don't think it would be that important spiritually wise I do find this taoist view somehow too merciless. I think it would be stupid if people who took tattoo's would get some kind of a critical effect in the afterlife for taking those tattoos. Again I dont know if god exists but I dont think he would come up with a world where if you took a tattoo you would harm your soul forever. Think about all the guys going into the other side and being informed "you ruined your existence thanks for those tattoos, nice job mate" and then they would be like "Oops, didn't know that, guess it can't be helped now I'm screwed"

Okay I have one advice aswell. And my real name is also Niklas I haven't been sick ever since I started eating probiotics on a daily basis. It has now been over a year and I used to get sick many times per year I have also heard of similar experiences from other people so I think it's worth a try. In my years of searching for the truth and trying to become healthier the only real lesson I've learned is that you should try as many different approaches as you possibly can until you find the right one. The right approach is different for everyone. For example in the beginning I thought I would've become a zen-meditator, but over the years I found that tai chi suited me better. And don't even get me started on nutrition Anyways the main point is that all the answers I have come up with were the ones I never thought they would be and I thank the lord (which im not sure if he exists) for the fact that I tried everything and didn't settle for anything until I found the right one. A man that never gives up is a man that never fails

Hi These are good questions. When I first began interested in buddhism about 7 years ago the first thing I did was that I became obsessed with the thought of enlightenment and because of this obsession I read numerous amounts of books written about enlightenment, watched a ton of videos done by enlightened people talking about their enlightenment. In the east enlightenment is seen as some mystical occurance and the teachers also try to remain a mystery. It is not like that in the west. When a western guy becomes enlightened he talks about it freely cuz that's what we do here in the west, we discuss about our emotions and experiences freely and analyze them and it seems to be the case even when it comes to enlightenment (which cannot be analyzed). Although asking these kinds of questions wont get you enlightened it is fun to play with thoughts and theories. I also believe that a good understanding of the theory somehow helps you on your journey to the place beyond it so I will now try to answer these questions based on my literal knowledge. The moment of enlightenment: I've read alot of journals and stories about people becoming enlightened and it has always been a single moment of occurance. All the teachers and enlightened people I've heard speak have said that it is possible to "gradually" be enlightened by excessive training in meditation but I've yet to come a cross such a story. There is a scientist who has done scientific research on with the brains of enlightened people and he also says that enlightenment can happen gradually. ( <- thats the guy, he seems like a trutful guy who does actual science but ofcourse you can never be sure) Who is more enlightened? After reading and hearing tons of information about enlightenment and forming a solid picture about it in my head and viewing that picture from all the angles I believe that someone being more enlightened than the other englightened guy is impossible, atleast in the theoretical realm I mean after your ego is gone and you experience every moment as it is, I dont think you can be anything else after that and in that sense all the enlightened guys are the same, they are just viewing the situation from their angle. If enlightenment is located within why can't you access it? Because you try to. The moment you try to be enlightened you become un-enlightened. And because you feel like you are not enlightened you always want to be enlightened so you try to become enlightened but that only results in you going "omg im not enlightened because i thought of enlightenment and enlightenment isnt a thought". Then you start from square one. So enlightenment is more like you coming aware of the fact that you actually are already enlightened but you just havent realized it yet. And you need to be able to let go everything in order to realize it. You cant realize it unless you are willing to let go of your thoughts forever and live in a state of not knowing whether you are enlightened or not. Your mind can't live in a state of not knowing and that is its problem. Can it be triggered by someone who isn't enlightened or does it require a master? You know this is something I have been trying to figure out since day one and it bogs my mind still. I have no idea but in theory it is possible. I mean buddha became enlightened without an enlightened master right? Out of principle I would argue that it is possible or else the whole theory is fundamentally wrong. I mean if it isn't possible how was it possible for the first guy? Ofcourse the chances go down without a teacher but it still has to be possible. Do you wish you were enlightened? Is this a natural desire? I do. Although after the initial obsession with it I sort of forgot and went on with my life. I'm doing spiritual practice but somehow I think that I wanna go the easy way and gain some little things like peace, serenity and understanding of myself before "going for it" again. I mean sure I'm "going for it" everytime I do my practice but I don't know, I just dont believe it will happen the next minute anymore And yes I do understand how crazy this is, thinking about whether it will happen or not I mean ofcourse it won't happen if this is my stance IfF you became enlightened would you still post up on taobums.com? Well this is my third post or something but sure. I think it would be fun to engage with the "less informed" While knowing that there is actually nothing to know, it would be an absurd situation and I like absurd situations. Again this kind of discussion is pointless in the case of enlightenment because enlightenment is beyond discussions. But I think its fun to have these kinds of discussions and I believe that I would have them even if I was enlightened.

So what is the solution for a double bind situation? It seems to me you would have to chance the entire situation to have a true solution for it. And because most of the situations are in your head you need to change yourself? ralis if you compare "Science and sanity" to "Creative intelligence and self-liberation" are they on par? Can't find either of them in my library and theres only a kindle version of the latter so I'm going with that. Would be nice to have a comparison though.

Hi everyone Started Tai chi few months ago and I'm loving it. I've been stalking these forums and seen some interesting threads so I decided to join. Also, you seem like good people I'm from Finland so pardon me for my French

Hi guys I'm new here. I was just randomly viewing the forum and chose this thread because I didn't know what double bind meant. But when I read about it I had a huge revelation. I think my entire life is double binded! Now guys I haven't read all the material precented here. The theory of double bind had such a huge emotional reaction in me that I felt an urge to communicate with you before reading everything. I've been living a troubled life and somehow I feel that if I get to the bottom of this there will be great reward for me spiritual-wise. So what can you tell me about solutions for these kinds of situations? I mean if all the solutions are bad then what can you do? I feel that not only my childhood, but my current life and the workings of my mind are one big double bind. Example out of my life: I feel that it is hard for me to communicate with people because I feel that I already know what they are going to answer. Now on the other hand I do have a need for other people. So not communicating is not good, but communication doesn't work. So I'm in a double bind with my need, because when I try to do something about it I feel it doesn't work. So both of the solutions are bad. I'm not able to come up with a solution because all the solutions I come up with are me talking with people about my problem and knowing already what they are going to say, which is the problem! I need something new and this feels like that, something I don't know the answer to. When I look at the situation trough the theory of double bind it makes me think there must be a solution to this problem outside the problem. Or something like that, can't really put into words what I'm thinking. But I hope to get some feedback on this and frankly this time I have no idea what it will be.