MooNiNite

In many books on Taoist Yoga or Alchemy seeing "white snow flakes falling" or "white flowers falling" is a sign one is close to sagehood. What is this phenomenon? WHat does the metaphor represent?

It's great to look at, I also have a few questions about it.

You singled out people on the forum who are white. This is racism. And now you are in denial.

Racism. Actually the first example of true racism in this thread. And who did it.

Well, I guess im just sorry you believe supporting the left will help you regulate the megalith companies. Funny how the companies you mentioned are pro-left. lol.

Amazon, Facebook, some of the most technologically advanced companies in the world. Google. Some people actually appreciate these companies and what they do. Want to do something new? Now is better than ever to be an internet entrepreneur. Many of these mega companies lean left and support socialism, because they are the ones who will win the government contracts, so you're not actually going against them. Obama in 2012 passed the Citizens United bill, do you know what that does? What about government run programs? I hope you see the inefficiency and waste. Does that factor into your assessment? We have Nasa vs Space X and Blue Origin. How about the F-35 program (over 1 trillion for a plane comparable to the euro fighter)? You think the gig economy is evil? Being able to work whenever you want? Some people see that as an innovation. Lastly, no one is forced to work gig jobs, many people actually PREFER it. It also has huge tax benefits as everything is a write off. You know Texas had their own public ride sharing company .. do you know how that worked out?

Well apparently the OP thinks if one is right wing then they represent pure evil. Low taxes, personal freedom without being tied to the government programs, national borders, free market capitalism, democracy. The idea that a person needs to get a job and be a good person in order to make an honest wage. The idea that millions of small businesses thrive and innovate with low taxes better than a single government ruling entity. Apparently if one supports those things then they support evil and are supposed to leave. His major arguments seem to be: We imprison illegal immigrants that cross the border illegally. And that's somehow also racist. Yet, we have been doing this way before Trump and multiple other countries around the world have borders and detain people, so its not unique nor something to point at Trump for. (Wonder if Obama detained people? Were most of them Hispanic?) The other one is Trump is a racist. Why? Because he banned Muslim countries that have high risks of terrorism? Yet, Trump has many supporters and close friends of many races. So that's obviously a projection. The other seems to be Trump is bad for the environment. Yet, more companies than ever in the USA are environmentally conscious and electric car industries are thriving and growing at a fast pace. Trump's lower taxes have actually caused millions of companies to innovate independently. Excel power is set to be over 50% powered by renewable energy by 2026. And 100% by 2050. And they are innovating at an unprecedented rate that wouldn't be possible if they were taxed to the ground. https://www.xcelenergy.com/energy_portfolio/renewable_energy Certainly the government cant innovate at the same pace. When comparing a government electric car company to Tesla... just look at how much is spent on NASA vs SpaceX or Blue Origin (Space programs by independent companies) to produce similar results. Trump just passed the 9/11 compensation bill for the first respondents at 9/11. These people were exposed to cancerous chemicals saving lives and just now 18 years later the government is supporting them with their health care. Obviously pure evil.

Its basic economics why socialism doesnt work. Everyone is different. And companies need competition to prevent them from taking advantage of people.

This list is not right vs left. You're being fed a narrative.

It's a fallacy to say right wingers are racist and left wingers arn't. Keep taking the racist bait.

You're clearly not examining the extent of communism. A country that just has a socialist healthcare structure is much different than a full blown communist economy.

That's what we call sarcasm young lad.

It's pretty intolerable when people discuss politics in the Off Grid section of the forum (designed for political discourse) and Hun Dun (designed for pointless bickering). It wastes too much server space in the end and raises forum costs and drains conversation from spiritual topics. Of course, Trump ("hewhomustnotbenamed") is the source of all problems so it only makes sense to ban him from the forum. Suppression of belief systems is much more healthy than discussion and reasoning because those things could illuminate people to a conclusion that Trump isn't "IT" and that is unacceptable and too complicated to palate. Even though in the Dao no belief system is perfect and no ideology is concrete, suppression of some ideas over others and segregation of people based on political and economic ideologies seems to provide a temporary warm and safe feeling to the one-sided members the Dao forum: particularly the ones who are damaged from the political tides and outcomes in the US.

Just in case you didn't understand the premises of this thread. He clearly stated this thread was for one-sided thinking and not for any meaningful debate. So if you dont align with one sided "Socialism is Perfect" thinking then you are clearly stupid and don't have any real world knowledge or historical insight. Please dont mention economics here. Of course implementations in China (mass starvation 15-30 million), Russia (mass starvation), and Venezuela (starvation/currency degradation) have no actual relationship with real socialism and should be ignored. Trump is to be regarded as mentally ill and his widespread positive economic boons under his leadership are "continuations" and are hurting people not helping people. Of course, the USA becoming more environmentally sustainable under Trump than it was previously is unthinkable because capitalism could never evolve naturally without government having to direct it and impede it. Lao Tzu's ideas about allowing human's innate good nature to flourish is to be ignored because good nature must be forced into direction by government.

Alt Left + Alt Right = Nazi Left provides the radical socialism where right provides the radical nationalism

So I have been informed that Citizens United that was passed in 2012 is the source of all evil. I was informed that it allows corporations to pay congress peoples unlimited monies and they dont have to disclose it. hmmmmm

It just seems like such a blatent political move by Google

Lao would be left, you would think, but only from a love everyone point of view. If you really get down to it he is a libertarian freedom loving people lover. Left is big government and Lao is all about personal freedom. One of the more important distinctions with Lao Tzu is people's good will. The left believes good will should be forced upon people through the power of the government: homeless shelters, food stamps, universal health care, heath care for immigrants. Whereas Lao Tzu believed there was nothing to force and that people's true nature was giving. So by keeping taxes low and less government, people's innate giving would be able to flourish naturally. Lao Tzu Laozi (Lao Tzu) was a natural mystic, an elusive free spirit who saw humanity & nature together as part of the Way. He believed those who understand their innate connection with the whole would never act out of narrow self-interest. " People starve. The rulers consume too much with their taxes. That is why people starve. People are hard to govern. The rulers interfere with too much. That is why people are hard to govern." -Lao Tzu

YouTube now has PregorU on their Restricted List. A very academic-based conservative platform. This means many PregorU videos are censored. This is clearly a political move and another example how Google is politically biased. If you watch PregorU you will see they are purely academic and have no reason to be restricted. .

I wonder if these leftists can ever get past the fact that communism fails at every turn. It doesn't even economically make sense, nor promote personal growth, which seems to be a center point of life. I think they will be forever wanting communism but then have to continually face to reality that it doesn't work and they cant just live in their safety net. It doesnt promote innovation either, so even if it did work for a short time they would be at a disadvantage towards the rest of the world. It's also interesting to me how they all praise Obama, but never recognize that black unemployment doubled under Obama and halved under trump, not to mention all of the other positive economic indicators under Trump. They seem to ignore what creates a healthy society where people have jobs and arn't starving to death and push for forced "values."

Because of course only Christian colonialism could move humanity into the industrial era. Those pure harmonious native people would never figure out or move forward with technology, because of their love of nature huh? After all, only white people and Christians don't innately follow the "Path of Life". Lets ignore every single non-christian country on earth in the doing most of the polluting in today's world.

Any examples?

Left means you have no name, no identity. Right means you have identity and the choices that come with it. Its ego vs no-ego. Freedom of choice and identity vs collective giving and the destruction of self. I personally don't think either is a way of finding balance, so you need both.

What about historical Daoist figures? Do any of them align left? I think Lao Tzu is pretty much out of the question, because many of his quotes are anti-government/taxes, but what about Confucius? Or any other major figures?

mushrooms are basically legal in Colorado. so yal are like lightyears behind.