Tibetan_Ice

You know, Bob, you will always find people whom are higher and lower than you. If you don't highten your intellect with knowledge instead of opinion and prejudice, you will always be looking up at others. Perhaps that is why most people look like posterior ventilators to you?

Where exactly does Buddha say this? Quotes? References? http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books6/Bhante_Dhammananda_Buddhist_Attitude_towards_other_Religions.pdf

Perhaps if you'd have spent as much time as I have practicing, meditating, reading, learning, for the past 44 years, you too would have some fields of expertise. When comparing, all systems have the same root, diverge in the middle and finish at the same point. Your insistence of remaining in comparison and having to pick one system indicates where you are stuck, in the middle. Hint, you won't get there by drinking beer and spreading division. I'm just being polite. I can think of shorter words with more impact if you'd prefer.

So at least you acknowledge that there is a difference between TM and Patanjali's yoga sutra. However, claiming that TM style mantra repetition is the lost secret the the Maharishi brought back is ludicrous. Pantanjali's yoga sutras involve achieving solid streams of concentration to achieve samadhi, not broken streams of mantra which continually stir the winds. Do yourself a favor, study Buddhist meditation, shamatha, vipassana and then the jhanas. Every Buddhist teacher knows that achieving shamatha produces siddhis, and that fourth jhana produces siddhis too. But you don't achieve that with TM. If you interfere with the stillness and solid stream of concentration by regurgitating a mantra, like you do in TM, it keeps you in the coarse mind. Also, your statement that it is based on a full functioning brain is a materialistic concept which misses the fact that the higher levels of consciousness have nothing to do with the physical brain, are beyond the physical brain. There are other psychic structures that maintain memories through reincarnations, if they were integral to the full functioning brain which dies and rots away, such memories could not be retrieved across lifetimes. Can you levitate, after Teaching TM and taking the Siddhi program?

I didn't like it, I practiced it and loved it.

Yes, that is true!

No you don't. The concepts are useful if they help you to connect with the natural state. If you can do it without the concepts, that is even better... more direct. If you don't know about chakras, what would you understand this is all about? From Heart Drops of Dharmakaya: . ? .

Again with the nihilism? Emptiness and appearances cannot be separated.

You seem to think that chakras and psychic architecture are some kind of mental creation that don't really exist. The fact that there are different colors, functions for chakras between the disciplines in no way denies their existence. Chakras are not a mental invention that one overlays or superimposes upon the self. They really do exist. If you were accomplished, you could seem them. There are common charactistics with all the psychic architectures: They all have a sushumna, central channel, advadhuti which is the main channel. They all have the right and left channels, ida and pingala. All chakras can be influenced mentally. The reason there are variations with how people describe chakras is because chakras interpentrate the various bodies, the physical, the physical-etheric, the psychical/astral, the psychical/astral etheric, the noetic, the noetic-etheric. Depending on which body you examine, the chakra, nadis, channels appear differently. Since when is knowing less about something better? That is a defeatist attitude. There are great benefits to learning about psychic architecture. The more you learn and understand, the more knowledge you gain and can apply. There is a common ground between all the disciplines concerning chakras/channels/types of chi/prana/ethers. Energetic anatomy is not a distraction and a dead end. You have to know some energetic anatomy to perform tummo, phowa, and many of the other practices (Buddhist and Hindu, New Age etc). Even in Trecko, you have to know about the brow chakra, the heart chakra, visualizing the blue HUM (depending on which body of teachings), the drops, etc. I little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but with a whole lot of knowledge you become a master, a PHD, an adept. Isn't that what it's all about? The highest level of accomplishment in Buddhism is refered to as "primordial wisdom". Not "primordial ignorance". Knowledge and practice. An invaluable combination. When you find someone climbing the ladder by learning, acquiring knowledge, examining phenomenon and trying to understand, a good thing to do is encourage them. Perhaps they will attain higher level than you.

http://thedaobums.com/topic/24351-i-hunger-for-more/?p=351613

To create a link you put "http://" In front of the address. then the address itself becomes a link after you save the post. www.gofundme.com/n7j4b95c Becomes (below) http://www.gofundme.com/n7j4b95c To create a link with alternate text, you wrap the link above with the URL and /URL tags encased in square brackets like this. Pay particular attention to the end of the second square bracket... you will see this when you Quote this post... Can you help a twelve year old boy? To see the proper syntax, click on the Quote icon to this post and you will see the correct syntax for the links at the top of the reply. Just copy and paste the whole link into your message. Then after, cancel out so you don't actually create the reply. If you have a computer, you can also go to the advanced options and choose the web link icon, but on small devices you don't get the advanced options.. After you grab the link, you can delete this post (if you have owner permissions), or let me know and I will cut this extra stuff out.. Good luck with your quest.

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=7126 That sutra uses the term "amala", which is defined as the ninth consciousness, purported to not be authentic Buddhism. http://www.sgi.org/about-us/buddhism-in-daily-life/the-nine-consciousnesses.html The idea of a true eternal self is a Chinese invention, isn't it? In Buddhism, there is no self, and there is no eternalism.

Malcolm thinks that a magnetic pressure between the eyebrows is a sickness that needs to be cured.

Hi Bindi, Here is another excerpt from a Vajtayana text which outlines the psychic architecture of wheels, prana, etc. It is from "Secret of the Vajra World": http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Vajra-World-Tantric-Buddhism/dp/157062917X I have thought about your question for a few days. In Buddhism (tantra), they use the crown as a gateway for phowa, which is ejecting the mind out of the top of the head. They also use the crown for other purposes, because it is where the white drop is stored. It could be that the fact that Tantra in Buddhism says that the central channel terminates at the brows is just a Buddhist convention which does not influence the functionality. For example, in Shamar Rinpoche's seminar, he taught to visualize the breath coming in through the nose, going up and over the top of the brain but under the skull, and then down the center of the head and neck. So, it is kind of following the idea that the path through the crown is a curve. And then many Buddhist books say that the central channel actually starts just below the navel, not at the root. So, the Hindu chakra system and the Buddhist system are somewhat different. One does wonder, though, what significance this difference of termination point has. One possible case might be that the Kati channel from the heart to the eyes terminates at the eyes and perhaps (I think I read somewhere) that by gazing upwards towards the brow, you connect the Kati to the central channel. If I find anything else out or can remember anything else I will let you know.

More about merging minds in rigpa... From The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying SOGYAL RINPOCHE

From The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying SOGYAL RINPOCHE So, you should be looking for tsa, lung and tigles, or winds and wheels...

Here is an example of people in a forum who can at least stay on topic. http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=19713&p=285724&hilit=tsa+lung#p285724

There are plenty of books about Tibetan channels, drops, winds, lung, practices and "psychic anatomy". Here are some http://www.amazon.com.au/The-Bliss-Inner-Fire-Practice-ebook/dp/B003XF1LH0 http://www.amazon.com/The-Six-Yogas-Naropa-Inspirations/dp/1559392347 http://www.amazon.com/Heart-Drops-Of-Dharmakaya-Tradition/dp/1559391723 http://www.amazon.com/Clear-Light-Bliss-Mahamudra-Vajrayana/dp/0948006218 http://www.amazon.com/Wonders-Natural-Mind-Dzogchen-Tradition/dp/1559391421 Pretty much all of them say that the central channel terminates at the brow. The brow is also known as the best place to separate mind and the clear light.

Introduction to the Practice ofDzogchen Talk by Lopon Tenzin Namdak, Vienna, Austria, April 1991. Compiled and edited by John Myrdhin Reynolds. It is necessary for us to know what Dzogchen is, how to practice it, and the result of this practice Even in Tibet it was not easy to get these teachings. They have been kept very secret since the eighth century. Even before that there were twenty-four mas- ters of Dzogchen in the Zhang-zhung Nyan-gyud lineage, all of whom realized .Jalu ('ja'-lus), or the Rainbow Body. However, each of them only gave the transmission to a single disciple. [1] Furthermore, from the eighth century until today this Dzogchen lineage has remained unbroken. It was kept very secret, but now in the second half of the twentieth century because circumstances have changed, both the Dakinis and the Guardians have given permission to teach Dzogchen much more openly. [2]

Here is a continuation of the previous topic which also contains another very interesting facet about the natural state, rigpa: From Ground, Path and Fruition: Isn't it interesting that emptiness and clarity combined is the medium through which you can connect to others? "So it is important to stay in rigpa because it provides the means by which you can connect directly with others and thus help them." That explains allot.

You totally missed it here. Your position is that there are no more thoughts in the natural state, in rigpa. You say that after the thoughts go away there is just the flow. And you try to support your position by distinguishing the mind from the nature of mind... and by claiming that if there is a subject and object then that is not rigpa. Well, what do think is flowing? The natural state, rigpa, consists of emptiness and clarity and the two are inextricably bound. Think about that. It is the emptiness and the clarity that are flowing, manifesting all perceptions, thoughts included. You can't stop that. The clarity is the the sambogakaya, the appearances, the knowing of the perceptions. They come from the base. From the natural state, rigpa, you still see thoughts, just not in the normal manner. They look like a little school of rainbow fish floating above. And, when you do have a thought it appears to you separate and away from the school of fishes, and it is very clear, distinct and magical. There is much space between it and the school of fish thoughts. (There is also great bliss, luminosity and a wonderful pervading silence but you can still hear sounds etc..) Ground, Path and Fruition points out that appearances still arise quite nicely: See the blooded text? It says "all the various appearances arise"! Rigpa is self-knowing. It knows without conceptualization. It is a higher form of perception. It is kind of like "intuition" but a step above. It replaces the lower form of subject/object conscious grasping. You get into rigpa by dissolving a thought and the the key is to stay there without grasping at the rest of the thoughts and appearances that will arise.. If rigpa was nothing, no thoughts, no appearances, then there would be no emptiness because the two are inextricably bound. You could not practice thogal. You have to have the appearances so that you can practice not getting caught up in them. So that you can realize that all perceptions are just a play of rigpa, that all reality is an empty appearance of rigpa. This is all beyond subject and object. It is nondual perception. And, this nondual perception can view the subject and object in action if it so desires. When someone starts talking about no thoughts, nothing to perceive, then they aren't talking about rigpa, the natural state.

From whom did you receive a Mahamudra transmission? A recognized lineage? What were the preliminaries?

Buddha and Jesus did not have gurus. I guess you've never heard of them...

I am not a scholar nor am I a philosopher. I am a practitioner whom is starting to understand how all this fits together. THE PRACTICE OF DZOGCHEN IN THE ZHANG·ZHUNG TRADITION OF TIBET Translations from the Bonpo Dzogchen Practice Manual: The Gyalwa Chaktri of Druchen Gyalwa Yungdrung, and The Seven-fold Cycle of the Clear Light The Dark Retreat Practice from The Zhang-zhung Nyan-gyud Translated with Commentaries and Notes by John Myrdhin Reynolds From Ground, Path and Fruition, Tony Duff: And then, from Practices from the Zhang-Zhung Nyan Gyud as transmitted orally by Tenzin Namdak

This is my current understanding from experience and reading... In the heart lies a large pool of rigpa. This rigpa is clear, luminescent (it shines), very blissful and it "knows" AKA as clarity. It is found in smaller quantities throughout the body and in conventional mind. It is what "knows" the content of thoughts, feelings, emotions, sensations, perceptions... There is more rigpa in the central channel than the rest of the body, and the main pool is in the heart. There is the Kati channel from the heart to the eyes, which bypasses the central channel. This channel can be opened by gazing, and more effectively by gazing with love. The preliminary practices are performed to develop certain skills because without these skills you will not be able to sustain the rigpa (natural state), nor will you be able to recognize it because your untrained mind will jump about from thought to image to sensation to next thought etc.. Rigpa is a bright clear space in which thoughts, visions, sensations, forms appear. When these components appear within the space of rigpa, they are very bright, clear and easily detectable. Not only do thoughts have content (topic or subject) but thoughts look like strings of rainbow light. Anything can manifest from rigpa, including whole scenes which are indistinguishable from normal reality. To be able to recognize rigpa, you have to have the ability to visualize, the ability to hold attention still on what is being visualized and at the same time recognize the space that exists surrounding the visualized object and the part of the mind that is doing the visualization. At first, it is very hard to visualize, let alone keep your mind still enough to realize that there is a clear luminous space surrounding the visualization. When you visualize, you are drawing from the pool of rigpa in the heart. Anything that you "know" is drawing from that pool. The purpose of the preliminary practices such as guru yoga and/or visualizing the white A is to develop and train the mental faculties of visualization and to learn how to hold the mind steady. The "dissolving of the guru" into your being is to train you to dissolve into the central channel. The practice of guru yoga is also used to tap into that pool of rigpa in your heart with love. Working with the mind is easier and more profitable when you can tap into the large pool of rigpa in the heart. You can do this a number of ways. 1) generate love, compassion, feelings of gratitude and thankfulness before meditating 2) pick a subject of meditation that you truly love (like a visualization of your dog, your favorite plant, a loved one, your guru etc 3) practice loving what you choose as your object of meditation (like loving the breath or the sensation of the breath at the nostrils or between the eyebrows.)... Don't worry, just because I mention breath doesn't mean I'm going all Theravada on you.. The main idea is that you train in relative bodhichitta, then as you progress, you tap into the large pool of rigpa which is bodhichitta at the heart. Don't believe me? Try this. Sit in a meditative posture and visualize the letters OM. Do that for 5 minutes. Notice how clear the letters are, the position of the visualized letters relative to your skull and how easy it is to maintain. Next, stop, take a few minutes and start over. This time, spend 5 minutes thinking of people, places, pets or things that you love. Do so until you have goosebumps and the hairs on your arms are standing to attention. Now try the exercise again. Notice any difference? Tapping into the rigpa in your heart is like fueling your meditation with octane. So how does this relate to Dzogchen? The most common instruction for how to recognize the natural state (rigpa) is to look directly at a thought without grasping at the content of the thought, wait until it dissolves and then remain at that same mental position and relax there. When another thought comes up, repeat the process. Eventually, you learn how to remain in that space and you watch the thoughts come, display and dissolve away... This instruction is kind of deceiving. It has a hidden purpose. The instruction to look directly at the thought places you at the upper section of the central channel, where there is a little more rigpa. Remember, there is more rigpa in the central channel so if you can remain the central channel, you have more access to rigpa. Then, by fixating on the thought without grasping and waiting until it dissolves, you are now strategically placed in a position to view the little space in the center of your head which is like a little pool of rigpa. It may take you many tries to view or occupy this space. It may take you months or years, but one thing is for sure, if you can generate enough bodhichitta before you do the practice, it will speed things up. After many months of practice you will find that following phenomenon occur: The thoughts, visions, lights, internal mental phenomenon are very clear and bright, like looking at an ultra high def 3D screen. You will see wisps of colors almost like colored winds blowing around. The surrounding space is very clear, luminescent and pristine. The surrounding space grows bigger. It will envelope your whole head area and progress downwards into the neck. It becomes easier to remain detached in that space, not grasping at content but enjoying the effortless-ness of it all. This rigpa can also follow the Kati channel from the heart up to and out of the eyes. My first experience of that was when I was spending time meditating and training with love in the forest. I would sit on a bench, close my eyes and pretend to send love from my third eye to the tree directly in front of me. By using love as the fuel, I managed to activate distance viewing, and even saw a fox hiding behind me.. However, I would sit and send love to the tree from between my brows. Then, one day as I was walking back to my car, being spring time, I stopped to admire a newly forming leaf on a birch tree. I just loved it! All of a sudden a stream of liquid light came out of my eyes in slow motion, from my eyes to the brand new leaf. It was like someone had turned on a fire hydrant. Inside the liquid light, it was much brighter than the surrounding sky. The leaf appeared in exquisite detail and I was overcome with bliss.. So, if you ask me, trecho is about learning to remain in rigpa, learning how to expand the space while maintaining the clarity/knowing through tapping into the large pool of rigpa at the heart. Thogal is learning how to to take an alternate path (Kati channel) and harness that blissful clear water-like light (pure rigpa) to prove to yourself that you are creating your reality and many others from this wonder substance. The key is to activate the heart and train the mind.