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Hi Mike, You said: and this: According to Swami Satyananda Saraswati's book called "Kundalini Tantra", it says: My Link Another bit of information about kundalini that you might find useful is from my favorite monk at this link: Powers of the Spine (you might like to read the whole thing): http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/mws/mws_ch-38.html And this is one you should read too, but here is an excerpt: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/mws/mws_ch-42.html Remember, keep your tongue on the back palette as much as you can, all of the time.. Just doing that will make a difference. TI

Hi Astral C Thank you for posting the wiki link. That is quite an interesting article. Everybody should read it. I like the part about taking a hot bath to mitigate the symptoms. I do that quite often. My next comments are not directed specifically to you.. The parts from that wiki article that stuck in my mind are these: The interesting thing here is twofold, considering that AYP's Deep Meditation has been confirmed by a few TM practitioners and instructors to be exactly the same routine (just the mantra is different). 1) The idea that subjects practiced long periods of meditation without proper guidance or supervision. I know, because I practiced DM for 4 years before I started to realize that I wasn't doing the proper technique. Also, I had the opportunity to correspond with a TM instructor, who spent 2 years in the presence of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and this is what he had to say about AYP's Deep Meditation: Wow! "even smart people paying close attention--end up not doing the AYP Deep Meditation technique correctly". Here is a TM instructor saying that even 'smart people' need personalized instruction in order to perform the technique correctly. It is interesting that the wiki article says that most TM practitioners who did not do the practice correctly ended up with kundalini syndrome. And they had personalized instruction! Who'd have thought that TM activates kundalini and potentially kundalini syndrome? In AYP's Deep Meditation you have a online lessons, a pithy manual and the forum (which is filled with variations of the procedure), but no personalized instruction. Is AYP putting the normal unsuspecting person whom wants to learn how to meditate at risk? You bet. The other thing to note from the wiki article is that if improper practice of TM can cause kundalini syndrome, then how can AYP'ers suggest that a person with kundalini syndrome practice Deep Meditation (which is really TM)? It would be like adding more gasoline to the fire, wouldn't it? 2) In the wiki article it says: The second most commonly used remedy for kundalini syndrome at AYP is Spinal Breathing, a form of pranayama (a breathing exercise accompanied by visualizations). Again, there is no personalized instruction at AYP. The instructions are posted on the AYP lessons section on the website, and there is another pithy book that one can purchase. There is no personalized instruction or supervision. Spinal Breathing is the other kundalini remedy that is most often prescribed for kundalini syndrome. So there you have it. If you go to AYP, someone is going to tow the AYP party line and tell you to do Deep Meditation and Spinal Breathing as a remedy for kundalini syndrome. But others (like in the wiki) are saying that these practices can cause kundalini syndrome. How can the cause be the cure? Bad advice.. Thanks for your comments. TI

Hi V Thank you for the reference to Paul Brunton. I did a search on that page for 'hope', and guess what I found.. Is it true? The Long Path quenches hope? Enough about that. Paul Brunton? He was 'enlightened' by Ramana Maharishi. Advaita Vedanta! Now we are on the same page. Nisargadatta, "I AM THAT", David Godman, Sailor Bob, John Wheeler, Rodney Stevens, self-inquiry, awareness watching awareness, seeking the self directly, Yoga vs Vedanta, oneness, non-duality, luminous essence of mind.. the short path. Ok. My library contains most of their books. The first thing that jumps to mind is that Advaita points directly to the source. It requires a certain amount of ripeness. If the pointing succeeds, well that is great. If it does not, then one should proceed down the ladder to a lower rung and do what is necessary, be it training sustained attention, developing mindfulness and detachment from thoughts, or even bhakti and mantra repetition.. But, you kind of evaded the question. I asked you specifically what kind of meditation you did, that does not shut off your senses. Do you move around when you meditate? Are you sitting there asking the question "who am i?" and engaging your mind continually? What exactly is your practice? For example, this afternoon I meditated for 1 hour. I sat in easy posture with my hands upturned resting on my knees. I prayed and dedicated the results from my efforts to all sentient beings. I did 3 minutes of bhastrika, 2 minutes of spinal breathing and then watched my breath for a while. Then, I started my meditation. What I do for meditation now is to abide in the self. The rule is this: If I can see it, I turn my attention around 180 degrees and try to sink back into "who is watching". If a voice in my head sounds, I turn my attention around and try to feel 'who is hearing'. I keep doing this for every sensation, nada, thought etc. After about 10 minutes, my body dissolves and I pass through the dream state. Visions and scenery appears at the third eye, and I turn my attention back and try to become the perceiver of the scenery. I try to focus on the feeling and sensation of 'me'. Not the egoic self that is centered in the medulla, but the very subtle feeling of me that sits in space, somewhere close to the physical heart, but at a deeper depth. Doing so produces a kind of luminous etheric shell-type of feeling. Usually I can stay there for a few minutes and then the mind kicks in and produces a bunch of thoughts. So, I withdraw from the little storm of thoughts that arises, check the body and relax any tense parts (as in Anapansati) and then I go back to to sensing the 'me'. Gradually, as the meditation progresses, the little storm of thoughts dies down and I spend more time abiding in 'me'. Towards the end of that meditation, a wonderful nature scene by a dark blue lake with some mountains in the background appeared. The scene was much larger than visions or scenes that appear at the third eye, and it was crystal clear and quite brilliant. I did really want to go check it out, but I did not enter. Instead, I pulled my attention 180 degrees around and then down and went back to abiding in the self. The bliss was tremendous and very peaceful. I could not feel the body, nor could I hear outwardly sounds or worldy stimulus. After the meditation I sat in the living room for quite a while. As I sat there, I noticed that images that I had seen while walking to the living room, like the picture on my cigarette pack, the door, the hallway carpet, the living room, all appeared as a slice of consciousness in my inner vision. It looked like multiple tiled glass panes, all with their own slice. The slices were very clear. Actually, it kind of freaked me out because they weren't dissolving away like usually happens with normal mental snapshots.. I quickly tried to ignore that and instead, just basked in the blissful sensations. So, I don't understand how your '6' senses are still active during your practice of meditation. Have you ever heard of Zazen? Just sitting perfectly still in perfect posture will cause the senses to drop off after a while.. Could you please explain? TI In "I AM THAT", Nisargadatta said:

Hi Mark, I'm not sure that a kundalini arising or overload is a disease that needs to be healed. It is more like a release of high current liquid light energy that can cause horrible symptoms if it gets into the wrong places. But, I suppose, it is a form of dis-ease. Funny, I took a course on cranial sacral therapy many years ago. Basically, I learned to sense the cranial sacral pulse by placing my fingers at the base of the skull. Yes, there is a pulse there. There are two tubes that are supposed to go down the spine, and by plugging them at top, they expand like balloons, and this is a method of aligning the spine. But I do not see how this relates to kundalini energy flow. The pain at the tailbone is when kundalini is trying to break through the knot of Brahma Granthi down there so that she can enter the spine. It is a very painful experience. At least, it was for me. I had intense pain that lasted about a week. I could not sit down, it hurt so bad. However, cranial sacral therapy aligns the spine, and the pain comes when kundalini is trying to break open the BG knot. I don't see how the two relate. Perhaps you could elaborate? As well, I had high pressure in the head until I learned about keeping the tongue on the palette. Also, the MC Orbit helped quite a bit too. These are remedies proposed by Mantak Chia himself, in the same document. It would sure be nice if someone asked Lomaximo why he doesn't try those two remedies by Mantak Chia. I can't, since I have been banned from posting at AYP and Lomaximo does not have an email address on the forum to contact him privately. TI

Hi, Here is an update about Lomaximo, 18 days after his initial kundalini awakening... He took the AYP bait and started DM and Spinal Breathing. link: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11448&whichpage=3#99326 So, it is as I predicted. Doing the standard AYP practices (especially spinal breathing) made it worse. Now Lomaximo is going to stay away from spiritual practices. But, Christi, a long term member of AYP is still deluded. He writes in response to Lomaximo's latest post: Gee, as far as we know the kundalini went away on it's own, without Lomaximo's efforts. What Christi should have written is that kundalini went away on it's own but because of the advice of the people on the forum, and pressure to 'join the AYP program' by doing the Deep Meditation and Spinal Breathing, he's back into kundalini syndrome. Hopefully Lomaximo will get a little wiser now.. Bad advice.. Yup. TI

Hi Golden Fox Thank you so much for your responses. I didn't know that there was a knot at the tongue or at the navel.. I've read about the three knots, Brahma-granthi, Vishnu-granthi and Rudra-granthi. Yes, I have Ennio Nimis' ebooks. Thanks for the suggestion. I have also found that "Kundalini Tantra by Satyananda Saraswati" is quite informative too. link: http://www.light-weaver.com/vortex/pdfs/Kundalini.Tantra.by.Satyananda.Saraswati.pdf If I may, I would like to relate an experience I had after reading Norman Paulsen's "Sacred Science" book. From Jan, 2010: Then, after becoming more proficient at Norman Paulsen's spinal breathing, I was having extraordinary experiences like the body splitting apart while riding an elevator (twice) and becoming conscious in other planes, and then overloading.. My main complaint about the practice is that after a few weeks, whenever I did the pratice, I would find myself in a large expanse of dark space, with very faint little stars in the far background and my body was no longer. Instead, I had become an eliptical frame of silver light webbing, just floating there, resembling the magnetic pathways of a bar magnet suspended in space. I could not find anyone that could relate to this experience and did not know what was really happening, but it did get kind of boring just hanging there by myself in outer space.. So, perhaps these are experiences from the "deep end of the pool" as you put it. Have you ever had such experiences? Also, can you bring the light from above the crown down into the sushumna? TI

Hi Gatito Thank you so much for the link. I will check it out. It is funny, too, because Ananda (on AYP) had a mini-awakening after reading the discourses: link: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11508#11508 So, I will definately check out that site.. Thanks. May the Divine Sun shine through you. TI

Hi Golden Fox I hope you are still around. First off, thank you for that information and your responses. I appreciate it. I had seen the www.yoganiketan.net site before and spent a couple days there checking things out. There is much information in those writings and I must admit I was kind of bewildered at all the variations and the non-specific guidance. You said: I should explain.. I have two years worth of lessons from SRF and practiced every day fervently for around three years. I even learned the Energization Exercises and practiced them until I got to a point where I was so energized that I could only sleep 3 hours per night.. However, I never received the initiation nor the kriya practices because I live in Canada and I was too young and poor to travel to California at that time. Are you familiar with Norman Paulsen? He was one of Yogananda's disciples. He wrote a book called "Sacred Science". Here is a brief synopsis of the book, which I read a couple years ago: -Norman Paulsen says that the third eye reflects the visions/images of the chakra that the person is currently in. It reflects like a mirror. So, in whichever chakra you are stuck or dominant, that is what you are going to see. - He says that that very bright light above the crown (the crown is just an opening) is Christ consciousness or the body of Christ. - He says that by pushing up through the crown (once-soft spot at the top of the head) one can invite or request Christ's consciousness to come down into the body. His form of "Spinal Breathing" is this: one breathes up and down the spine, one pulses the root three times but does not persist in the root lock, one pauses after breathing the "Breath of Life" up the spine to the third eye, and then pulses the root three times to open the door to Christ's consciousness which reveals the light above the head. Then one visualizes the light (Christ) coming down to the third eye to sit on the throne. After that, the exhale is performed back down to the root with the visualization of the light also coming down. During the ascent and descent of the breath, there are 8 points/chakras that are in the spine that are activated. The extra chakra is directly behind the upper mouth near the medulla. - He says that you have to activate the Christ consciousness first because if the feminine energy (shakti at the root/kundalini) arouses and cannot find her mate, she will become very displeased and will rise up hissing like a snake. - He says that the feminine principle rises up and Christ's male energy comes down to meet at the bridal chamber in the heart producing the immaculate conception. A little Christ is born in your heart and if nourished properly, will eventually rise up to take his seat on the throne of God in the third eye. - He points out the "Eightfold Path" which consists of proper Meditation, Conduct, Study, Speech, Association, Nourishment, Work and Recreation. - He points out the "Twelve Virtues" which are Loyalty, Patience, Honesty, Perseverence, Compassion, Continence, Equanimity, Courage, Humility, Temperance, Charity and Faith. - The last picture in the book is a picture of Norman Paulsen standing in the desert next to Paramahansa Yogananda during their last retreat. - Norman claims that Paramahansa Yogananda appeared to him after he passed on, like Jesus did. What I would really like to know is this. How similar is Norman Paulsen's "Spinal Breathing" to Yogananda's? Have you ever practiced it? Do you bring the light down from the star above the crown? Is the procedure documented anywhere? And lastly, what do you think of a form of spinal breathing that, instead of going up to the star above the head, makes a 90 turn at the center of the head and stops at the brow (and then back down with the same path)? How effective would that be? TI

Hi Golden Fox I'm not very good at drawing distinctions between Yoga and Vedanta. I certainly appreciate what you are saying. I will also mention that I'm always leary of someone who, at a very young age, without any formal practices, all of a sudden experiences enlightenment (dies) and then proceeds to outline practices that might produce the same result. Ramana's self inquiry, which I interpreted as not just asking the question "who am I?", but actively pursuing the watcher, or the self during meditation (turning the attention around to who or what is perceiving) is a very powerful practice in it's own right. Yes, we are all at different stages of ripeness, it is up to us to find what works, whether that be from the gound up or the top down.. I was pointing to the fact which I learned through Tolle's "sensing the inner body", or Buddha's Anapanasati, that shutting off the mind seems to stop the breath, or even slowing down the mind slows down the breath.. That is so interesting. I remember commenting to a few people over the last couple of years that it seemed to me that the light in the third eye is a reflection, that the third eye is a mirror of sorts. Since then I have actually seen the hole between the brows, so I'm not all that sure about the mirror phenomenon anymore.. But that is interesting that you mention it. Do you have a history of Kriya Yoga experience? Were you ever initiated into SRF? (just curious).. Golden Fox, what is vyapti? And how does that tie into the Buddhist idea of dependant origination? TI

Hi -K- Yes, you are right. There is both good and bad advice in that thread. However, there are some common themes that re-occur consistently through most of the posts at AYP for anyone with any kind of problem (kundalini overload, psychosis, schizophrenia, advanced kriyas etc). 1) Deep Meditation will help and 2) Spinal Breathing will help. As these practices combined are often the causes of kundalini overload, as many long term AYP members have attested to, how can those practices be any help to someone who is overloading on kundalini? At AYP there is a general trend to dismiss any practice that is not approved by Yogani. Further, other valid practices from non-AYP have been misrepresented and then downplayed; like AYP's mention of breath meditation. Yogani's big argument against breath meditation is this: "what happens when your breath stops? If your breath stops during mantra repetition, you can always keep repeating the mantra. When your breath stops during breath meditation, there is nothing left to focus on." !!! Can you believe that? If you stop breathing, you are in nirvikalpa samadhi. Why would anyone do mantra repetition while in nirvikalpa samadhi? How could you, anyway? Further, in AYP breath meditation, just focusing on breathing is all there is. There are no progressive steps to focus on the pleasurable sensations or the 'nimittas' (buddhist terminology for lights at the third eye) and progress into the jhanic states. Sorry for ranting.. I appreciate your candidness and comments. AUM TI PS. In my mind, viable kundalini overload remedies include the MC Orbit, keeping the tongue on the palette, the buddhist "hollow body" meditation, and any other activity that helps to ground the excess energy.. The first step is teaching people that they can actually do something about it, rather than have to suffer. PS -2. And you know, the main difference between AYP and TTB is that you aren't going to get banned from TTB for presenting opposite points of view..

Hey Gatito Thank you very much for posting your opinion. I wish more people would come forward to help expose AYP for what it really is. Your post below has also reaffirmed that AYP's solution to everything is Deep Meditation and Spinal Breathing, despite the intensity of kundalini overload or mental state. The AYP members continually suggest this, not because they understand the processes involved, but because they have been brainwashed. Deep Meditation is TM (Transcendental Meditation) (even though Yogani has blown it up into something that purifies and will take you nearly all the way to enlightenment). Would someone please explain to me exactly how 'the relaxation response', which is what TM produces, will help one cope with kundalini overload? And, Spinal Breathing takes the kundalini energy and brings it up into the head. It intensifies kundalini. It fans the fire. How is that supposed to be good advice? Yogani invented AYP. Basically, he took TM, disguised it and then combined it with watered down kriya yoga practices. There is proof, from Yogani himself. In this next post by Yogani, back in 2005, not only does Yogani suggest that Taoism could never make you enlightened because it has no meditative practices that produce inner silence, but he has the audacity to say that his combined practices, drawn from various sources, are compatible.. link: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=500 (bolding is mine) And then later, in the same post he claims that modern kriya yoga has been watered down! So we see Yogani twisting his words to make it look like he is preserving the classic kriya yoga practices, yet he eliminates the OM from spinal breathing, eliminates the OM from Navi kriya, holds the root lock (bandhas) throughout the inhale and exhale in Spinal Breathing.. That last one, is very interesting. In every other method I've read about to cultivate chi, or Norman Paulsen's version of SRF's spinal breathing, the root lock is not held throughout the whole breathing cycle. The bandhas are released, once the prana and apana are mixed (and in some cases mixed with udana by swallowing) and then mixture is drawn up the spine/sushumna. Could this be the reason why there are so many overloads at AYP? And, yes, Gatito, Yogani's book on Self Inquiry is a veritable mystery to me. He seems to have condemned every other valid method of self inquiry and leaves the reader with the message that self-inquiry must be relational, that is, performed from inner silence in order to be effective. And, yes, you guessed it, the only way to cultivate inner silence is through Deep Meditation.. As for anybody being enlightened at AYP, I have to agree. Although you will find some members declaring to the world that they are in fact 'enlightened' (like Kirtanman), they have no special powers, are not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent. And here is another enigma, which is probably born from Yogani's ignorance. In AYP, you stay away from the crown because it is dangerous (from Yogani): link: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=500#2079 In AYP spinal breathing, you add sambhavi (rolling the eyes upward to look at the third eye) (along with the various bandhas, root lock etc). I've been reading several sources that say that sambhavi opens the crown. I first heard this when I learned the Red Phoenix technique (Kunlun): "turning the eyes upwards opens the crown". I've now recently read that same idea in the book called "Meditation and It's Practices" by Adiswarananda. So, if sambhavi opens the crown (sahasrara), yet in AYP they stay away from the crown because it is dangerous, how can AYP add sambhavi to spinal breathing without at least mentioning the fact that it will open the crown directly, and could be dangerous? Isn't that a contradiction and demonstrates that Yogani doesn't have a clear understanding of all of that stuff that he calls "under the hood"? Further, many teachings go directly to the crown and even meditate on the crown as a legitimate practice. Anyway, Gatito, I was wondering.. which 'direct path self inquiry' were you recommending? TI

Hi Golden Fox That is very interesting. I have found that just "OM"'ing produces a stream of light which rises up the sushumna and accumulates at the brow. I have never had breath suspension during pranayama. I do experience it whenever I stop the mind or go into a kind of trance state when I don't think of anything but it never lasts very long. There is some truth to "control the breath, control the mind" but there is also the other way around as written in Vedanta: "control the mind, control the breath". The most notable experience I had when my breathing stopped was one night when I was falling asleep. I was laying on my left side and I focused on my third eye. All of a sudden I became a larger presence and I noticed that my body was totally imobile. Nothing was moving. I was not breathing or anything. No motion at all. I thought I had died. It really freaked me out, took me by surprise. I had no idea that just focusing on the third eye could do that.. I have heard of other people experiencing the stoppage of breathing and feeling the chi/prana still flowing. I'll bet it is an interesting experience. In my personal opinion, the lower tan tien seems to have a much larger amount of chi than the other tan tiens. And it seems to be more coarse than the higher ones. I think as we progress up the chakras, the chi/prana becomes more refined and specialized.. I have read that Yogananda believes the medulla is the mouth of God. I was a SRF member for 3 years... But I've also read that Yogananda was not aware of the lower tan tien.. Go figure.. I have done a few weeks of reciting the bija sound mantras (Lam, Vam, Ram, Yum, Ham, Aum..) in each respective chakra as a kind of test. What I found is that the lower and upper chakras become highly ecstatic (espescially the lower ones). That is when I discovered that Aum produces a stream of light leading to the brow. It is no doubt in my mind that using "AUM" is a powerful booster to any practice. Using it is like turning on the power switch. Then, wherever you guide the current, you've got the juice to make things activate.. I think the principle would apply to any mantra or energy flow.. Oh, one last comment. You said: I've experienced a phenomenon that, during intense mantra repetition while focusing on the third eye, I could see hundreds of visions and colorful thoughts all whizzing past me like I was in a giant kaleidoscope. It was quite disconcerting. Yes, it was a stream of pictures. Like being caught in a cable TV wire.. I didn't know what it was but it would happen for each meditation for weeks. I finally got tired of it, not knowing what it was and why it was happening. I thought, "This isn't meditation".. The only thing that I could figure out was that by repeating the mantra, I was creating all these thoughts and visions and they were being sucked into the third eye. Is that what your experience was like? Like hundreds of visions and colors whizzing by? Thanks for your comments. TI

Hi Golden Fox Thank you for your comments. I appreciate it. TI

Hi ddaniel, If you would like more background about my discoveries while participating in AYP for 4 1/2 years, please see this link: http://www.thetaobum...yama-questions/ The part that really disturbs me is that all that you will see on AYP are posts that give the site credibility. When in actuality, many posters have been censored and banned. When I started to closely examine the AYP practices and question them, I was personally attacked and then banned, rather than have my issues addressed. Doesn't the great spirit of "Freedom of Speech" live in the USA? Is Benjamin Franklin rolling in his grave? And then after being banned, I discovered that I could not delete my posts, yet AYP was advertising that you could delete your posts at any time. When I asked Yogani about that, he said that they had changed their policy over two years ago but had neglected to properly advertise that fact. I would still like to know if it is ok to blend Kriya Yoga with TM, which is what AYP does. But then again, most of the AYP practices have been watered down or customized, catering only to the beginner, and perhaps fostering many bad habits and misunderstandings. The whole point of Kriya Yoga is to merge with the star at the brow, but for AYP, the star is scenery and you don't do much with it. The purpose of TM is to transcend, or elicit the relaxation response to carry a person to turiya. It is an effortless procedure, one which is not Patanjali's Dyana, Dharana, Samadhi. If you practice the proper last limbs of yoga, you will be able to consistently go into samadhi at will. If you practice TM or AYP's Deep Meditation, you will bounce in and out of "loss of consciousness" or Turiya (if that is what it is) perhaps once or twice per meditation session and this could go on for 40 years. The two practices are totally different. Yogani took the AUM out of Spinal Breathing, claiming that "OM'ing" while doing spinal breathing is watering down the practice and makes it more inefficient. I just finished reading another book that said that using the OM as a counting mantra during pranayama increases the potency by 100 times. Reciting AUM is what Yogananda's practice recommends during their form of spinal breathing (And this makes sense, since the use of any mantra causes the lower tan tien to release chi/energy/kundalini). I am not in a position to recommend to you any kind of practice. For one, I don't know you, your temperament, your background or history of pratices. I don't know what your goals are and what you hope to achieve. Further, I am not enlightened, not omniscient, not omnipotent nor omnipresent so I can't use any powers to help you out. But, if you give me some background about your practices, aspirations and character, I may be able to find something based on my range of experience. I am familiar with Yoga, Rosicrucians, SRF (Self Realization Fellowship -3 years), Carlos Casteneda, judo, karate, Buddhism, Sri Anandi Ma, Mark Griffin, Taoism, The Dalai Lama, Alan Walace, Ramana, Nisargadatta, Sailor Bob and the rest of the Advaitists.., Kundalini Yoga -many sources, Ajahn Brahm, the jhanas, Buddha, Jesus, astral travel, the chakras, Samuel Sagan, Saraswati, TM, The Bible, Norman Paulsen, reiki -reiki master, cystals, aromatherapy, Kunlun -level 1, KAP, Eckart Tolle, Adyashanti (don't recommend), Osho (don't recommend), The Tao Bums , Barbara Brennan, The Matrix Experience, ... Actually I have over 300 books on spirituality and have participated and studied this topic all of my life. I am now 56 years old. So, perhaps my enlightened ego can help you on a human level? TI

Hi, So it seems that Lomaximo has surrendered to the AYP members' advice which is to start the AYP Deep Meditation and Spinal Breathing.. two techniques which will surely overload him and waste his time. His time would be better spent learning how to get the kundalini out of his head; clear the front channel, the MC Orbit and how to store the kundalini energy in the lower tan tien as per Mantak Chia. Mantak Chia's book got Lomaximo into this, and it can help him out too. Why doesn't he realize this? In case anyone would like to read Mantak Chia's book, it is available at this link: http://pdfbook.co.ke/download.php?title=The%20Multi-Orgasmic%20Man&size=1.6MB&bookid=PBI5513&eid=5397 TI

Hi Gatito That is fine with me. I appreciate you sharing your experiences at AYP. I only wish more ex-AYP'ers would do the same. AUM SHANTI TI

Hi Gatito Yes, after 4 1/2 years of regular AYP practices (and some deviations), I started to examine the teachings. I wish I would have done that sooner. I'm sorry to hear that you've discovered the essence of the AYP forum, that is, AYP was set up to specifically support Yogani's specific form of yogic inventions and points of view. Yogani is not interested in truth, he is interested in propagating his "truth". I mean, where else are are you going to find someone trying to marry kriya yoga and TM? Where else are you going to find a definition of enlightenment as the union of ecstatic conductivity with inner silence? Yogani has developed his own nebulous language, but as soon as a person examines his terms and concepts, he/she realizes that Yogani lacks precise definitions and descriptions.. I stand by my final analysis of AYP and Yogani and his cohorts. 1) If Deep Meditation is TM (as confirmed by several posters on his forum), and TM is the practice of repeating a meaningless sound (mantra), then the fact that Yogani expounds on the purification of the mantra, and has even developed mantra enhancements clearly tells me that 1) Yogani does not have a clear understanding of TM, 2) Yogani invented the 'purification' and 'mantra enhancements' 3) Yogani does not understand the results of combining his customized practices. Perhaps that is why he overloads with every expansion (as do very many long term AYP practitioners). Have you ever heard of combining customized Kriya Yoga practices with TM? 2) Yogani has mislead the general public by claiming that his Deep Meditation is part of Patanjali's last three limbs of yoga. TM, or Deep Meditation is not a sustained concentrative practice. Patanjali's dharana/dhyana is. 3) And this one really bothers me.. Yogani has constructed a website and a forum (by the regular pruning of dissidents) that is so slick that it is a trap for the unwary. A regular seeker will read the 'free' lessons, start practising them for a few months and then start asking questions. Yogani has created so much psychological pressure and inertia, that his methods are correct and effective that it draws in the unsuspecting seeker. Later, when results aren't attained or the overloads start and the seeker starts asking too many questions, that is when the moderators put on the muzzles and if that doesn't succeed, you get banned. It's all scenery! It's all under the hood! Just do the practices, don't ask why or use your mind. And then, if you want clarification, you start to buy the books, which can add up to hundreds of dollars.. But then you discover that Yogani's books are no better, they are just as nebulous and foggy as his term 'inner silence'. I really feel sorry for the people who are sucked into his teachings. I wish I could warn them all to learn as much about various teachings and practices as they can before blindly accepting Yogani's yogic inventions and practising them for years before finally waking up and asking questions. Yogani either has a bad memory or lacks integrity. I had written to him about the fact that AYP's forum advertised in it's forum help that you could edit or delete your posts at any time. At that time, he said he would get the programmers to change the help so that it acurately reflected the lack of ability to edit or delete posts. After many months nothing had changed and the forum help still stated that you could edit or delete your posts at any time. So, I contacted another AYP member, someone whom I regard highly, and pointed this out to him. He got Yogani to change it. And Yogani even wrote to him that it was the first time he had heard of this deception. So, good luck with request for the "Banned" markings. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one (pun intended).. In your posts on the "Is it worth it?" thread at AYP, there are no "Banned" flags.. Yogani and the moderators are carefully pruning the posts on the forum to make is seem credible and unbiased, but we both know that in reality, they are guilty of deception. By preventing people from posting their true opinions or preventing them from deleting their posts, AYP has managed to appear as something that it is not. Oh... the karma.. You know, the best part about getting banned from posting was that I haven't had an overload since and I have much more free time to meditate and practice. I just feel so sorry for all the blind followers who are playing the part of Yogani's guinea pigs.. even the parrots and brown-nosers.. Anyway, I'm sorry to hear that you've discovered the truth about AYP the hard way. There are many others whom have been banned, some very bright people too. What is great about TTB is that there is no hidden agenda lying in the cracks waiting to jump out at you. Perhaps one day they will change the laws in the US so that whatever is written on a forum must remain editable and capable of being deleted by the author. TI