Lozen

It's a bus pass, I forget which city.

Is that like when I spent $5 on a "freedom pass"?

I just thought it'd be easier to train ninjas if you were one, is all.

Are you a ninja?

No you're not.

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LOL! Well I don't have to be at work until 11:30, and it's like a fifteen minute bike ride (ten if I go fast), and even if I go to bed at 1 AM I still wake up by 9. So I have at LEAST 2 hours, usu. more like 3 or 4. But I don't do my routine every day, either. Like this weekend there is a martial arts seminar, so yesterday (Friday) I did my cleaning and all that. And all I did was wake up, drive to Phoenix, train all day (minus a half hour cos I had to drive to Tempe to pick up a key), and then I've been chilling in my friend's lovely apartment. My evening routine has consisted of raiding her fridge (with permission, of course), feeding the cats, cleaning the cat litter, reading a book I want to give to my instructor, taking a long bath, painting my nails and toenails, and writing extremely detailed notes of all the stuff we learned. My morning routine will be to get dressed, eat something, brush my teeth, drive to class, traintraintraintraintrain, get dinner with the guys after class, drive home., find something to wear to work tomorrow, collapse into bed... It's all variable!

wake up immediately write down dreams (+ morning pages if i feel like it) drink a glass or two of water while looking at calendar or to-do list to try to plan out day stretches, martial arts drills, situps/pushups/etc. (if time) eat some fruit or drink some OJ take a shower (incl. qi gong bathing and this delicious new soap which has loofah particles in it) get dressed do something with my hair eat breakfast, drink tea brush teeth fix my bed and pick up around the house (counters, floor, etc.) figure out what to eat for lunch return any phone calls or pressing e-mails that i put off the day before put snacks, music and everything I need to take to work to be happy in my bookbag 15+ minutes zazen sun greeting water prayer sit spot outside if there's time bike to work At work: stretch stare at water crystal screensaver take deep breathes smile Lunchtime: bike home, eat lunch, bike back to work (2 extra miles of biking= no gym time needed and lunch money saved!!) Nighttime routine: eat dinner balance checkbook pick up around the house for 15 min exercise or martial arts if I didn't do it earlier do the dishes (with feet in warm water to open meridians) read or listen to music brush my teeth zazen or stretching if I didn't get it done earlier take vitamins, tea or herbs take a bath if i feel like it, with whatever herbs or essential oils i want journal, prayers or meditation dreaming body as going to bed Weekly: clean my house, change sheets, sweep, mop, take out trash, dust, laundry, etc. pay bills, balance checkbook and check budget vs. real spending clean fridge, buy groceries, plan menus for the week, cook whatever necc. ahead of time spend some time outdoors, hiking, tracking, plant med stuff, etc. more job hunting running or some kind of intense exercise writing observe Shabbat and get some r+r in any way i can On my days off I space my morning routine out throughout the day and also do most of the "weekly" stuff. I also have a weekly check-in with one of my friends/mentors to see how I'm doing. Noticing ways that I sabotage myself. For example, my house was ALMOST completely clean one day last week, except for a stack of papers on my table that I needed to put under the table. Instead of doing that, I left it on the table, which means that I eat at my computer, which means that my dishes go on the floor, then it's a mess and i start putting mail on the floor instead of immediately opening, recycling or putting in my current action folder, then the clothes go on the floor, etc. Then my house is too messy to do my morning exercises and I just laze around and check e-mail. So I'm trying to stay on top of it.

You mean Starhawk?

yeah i totally agree about simplicity. just burn some sage. it is a spiritual antiseptic. and then you don't have to worry about invoking spirits you don't really want to be there.

Well, since I never said that science was bullshit on these boards, I'm also not under any obligation to assert or prove anything on these boards. In fact, the only thing I said I had empirical evidence for (as in, my own experience) is that my gut feelings lead me in the right direction. And there are TONS of books out there on that which you could read, lots of Jungian psychology, crime analysis, etc. I could come up with a book list. Women Who Run With the Wolves, The Gift of Fear, various Tom Brown books, the list goes on and on. In any case, I'll point out that I haven't said Buddhism was "bullshit" or anything like that ON THESE BOARDS since the "no insults" rule on August 23rd. (I think it would be bad form for me to post something you had said in a private conversation and challenge you to provide evidence publically.) My most recent post about the Dalai Lama was simply criticizing so-called nonviolent Buddhists who will rip my throat out when I disagree with them philosophically. I agree with what you wrote about insults, generalizations, etc. degrading the quality of communication, chiselling away trust and creating a less safe space for people to talk about deeper issues that come up through spiritual work. (This is almost an exact quotation of your post.) I think your recent comments on this thread towards me, though, are a good example of that as well. As far as your assertion that "much" of what I say and do is in the spirit of testing people vs. engaging in intelligent dialogue, well I can't claim to have never done that and obviously we are all in process to get to where we want to be. Anybody could tell you that I have Mercury in Aries and often word things more aggressively than I could, however your assertion that "much" of what I say and do is to test people vs. engaging in intelligent dialogue and that the sole purpose of this is to get attention rather than search for truth, I think you'd have a hard time backing up, both because you are not around me "much" of the time and would therefore have a hard time calculating percentages, and because this falls into the realm of psychoanalysis which is best measured by objective licensed professionals. Also I think I've gotten past this and am not nearly as brash as I was a year ago or even a month ago. I would also like to point that unsolicited advice is more often appreciated when it is constructive, not destructive. I posted what I think is a brilliant article which illustrated the limitations of science better than I could ever do, as well as personal examples/issues/etc. that I have with science, to better illustrate my points and where I was coming from re: science (which btw was in a chat room, not on these boards, and was right after I pulled my back out. Perhaps I would have worded it differently otherwise.) In any case, I think I've clarified my points and expressed where I am coming from, but it seems that this "debate" you started wasn't to seek clarification re: science nor was it an attempt engage in intelligent dialogue. Lozen P.S. After all this, I think we might actually agree on the science thing.

LOL!!! It's the Lesbian AVENGERS, not death squad! LDS is Latter Day Saints, bro. I wanted to ask you if you had copies of Gracie In Action 1 and 2, wanna watch?

Just want to point out that you didn't address ANY of my (logical) questions (in the spirit of intelligent dialogue) and are now just criticizing me as a person. Define ad hominem?

Didn't Yudelove go crazy? What are y'all gonna do to prevent impending lunacy? Or exacerbating your current level of lunacy, as the case may be?

I am always reading studies saying that things are working for different reasons, and sometimes they make sense (usu. because they are catching up to "folk wisdom" such as the article on the heart protector I posted a while ago) but of course I do not automatically believe every study I read just because it is in a lab, neither do I discredit every study just because it is in a lab. I am pretty open-minded and of course I always have to memorize the scientific studies that back up what I already know for the sake of my clients. Oh, and by the way, I would posit that your problem with me calling science bullshit is based on your feelings.

An ad hominem argument involves replying to an argument or assertion by addressing the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself. One example of this would be directing someone to take a philosophy of science course, and another example would be making allegations of putting feelings over actual facts. Since you haven't PROVEN that sientific "facts" are actually "the truth" and in fact give examples to the contrary, this argument is pretty much moot. In addition, you seem to have beef with belief systems that are contradictory or are not based on a consistent system, leading one to believe that your goal is to come up with a CONSISTENT system without inherent contradictions. And yet you say it is okay to use faith on Sundays and science in the lab, only not really. Which is it? Then you wrote, "whatever makes you happy." Last I checked, happiness is an emotion. In addition, I am not sure how being "happy" with science in the lab and faith on Sundays is any different than religious faith (which you equate with childish foot-stomping). I wonder how much of this is based on your personal preferences of the types of interactions you prefer. In addition, I also wonder who decides whether folk wisdom is "real" or "absurd." The scientists? You?

My biggest problem with the scientific method is that it IS often used as a way to discredit anything that doesn't "pass" clinical tests. For example, I know of many herbal remedies that could save people's lives that hardcore scientists would say are "unscientific" or "placebo" or "not proven" and on and on and on. I disagree that you can usually reason with people who have pretenses of being scientific. I could have five zillion case studies where these treatments work, and many of these types of folks will stomp their feet and insist that it couldn't possibly be that way unless we do double blind studies in laboratories. As far as the term "educated trust" I don't really see why it would be called that way, the scientific method has been wrong over and over and over again, that is part of the method is that it keeps getting misproven and always takes years to catch up to things that people already know... So I would say that my skepticism of science is "educated mistrust" as well as faith. As far as Buddhism being scientific, I have heard a LOT of Buddhists refer to "the scriptures" just like Christians do. De Cartes, Buddhism, etc. I wouldn't exactly consider scientific in their approach, because so much IS based on assumptions. For example, Buddhists ASSUME that everything was always here, that there is no beginning or ending. >Well, I don't know much about "hard core scientists" (and neither does this guy >apparently) Why do you say thay? > but I think that many scientists probably do just keep the scientific method in >the lab, in the same way that many people reserve their faith for Sunday. Which >is fine. Science and Faith are just tools in my view. That would be called compartmentalization, and I can't see it as a good thing. > What does matter to me is that I do not become so intellectually lazy that I buy >the first interpretation of the universe I bump into as the absolute truth and then s>pend the rest of my life fending off "bottomless pits" by pumping myself up with f>aith for it. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone that does this.

I would say that the majority of my interactions are not with the intent to piss people off. Since my empirical data is derived from my own personal observations, I would simply have to list "tons" of observations on how following my gut (which is what I listed as an example) leads to better research and into the right direction that somehow allows things to unfold just the way I need them to. I believe I've been "providing empirical data" to back this up for a long long time through sharing stories. I did not claim that all of my beliefs are based on my gut feelings, some of them are based on head stuff too, and of course I can and have been wrong. I don't really want to waste any more of my time debating on a message board. I'm moving on. My latest gut feeling and personal observation leads me to believe that a large majority of Taoists are completely off their rocker, or are heading that way. Sending prayers. Love, Lozen

I was just saying that to piss you off. Worked, didn't it? In any case, I doubt that empirical data means very much. Since you are putting people in categories based on how you perceive them to act, if your "empirical data" is that they continue to act in the same way which had you placing them in that category, it seems like it's sort of circular reasoning. As for gut feelings, they are not my primary form of research, they just lead me in the right direction. And I've got tons of empirical data behind that.

I think the enneagram is full of shit.

All right, who else wants to psychoanalyze my internet persona? Bring it on!

I think you can be a warrior and have love. I think you can even love your enemies if you see them as your wayward brothers or sisters. In fact I would say that a real warrior does not fight because he has anger or hatred or fear. He fights because he has love... Having said that, I don't think you have to love everyone equally. My aspiration is to learn to love unselfishly, to really have the other persons; best interest in mind instead of just my own ego (etc.) getting in the way.

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