Marks of Glory

I`ve read a book of Gopi Krishna. Well... I Know i need a guru, and i know that those things are dangerous, so I hope everything goes alright. I try and comunicate any strange experience here in the forum so that I gain feed back. One of these days during meditation, afte some rounds of pranayama, I discovered that the visual image that we form of the world is formed actually a little higher than our actual eyes. kind of on our forehead (it seemed like my virtual eyes) and there were two of them... one on the left and one on the right. So I tried to join both "eyes" on one single spot on the center of my forehead - third eye. And I managed to mesh those "centers of vision", where my eye sight takes place, into one only, like a monocle (those things that pirates use to on the se to see far away). Any way. I suddently felt that my whole body was divided into two, and I could mix and compress both of those sides on my spinal column, so that they become one (like th meshing of both eyes). and at this point I could see alot of light on my spinal column. But i did not burnmyself. i Tried again another day but didn`t manage. It happens all of a sudden and I need to just go with the flow, i don`t really chose, just meditate everyday and sometimes it happens. About Kundalini.. What I know is the following: It is good to start practicing Nadi SHodhana Pranayam with breath retention. Probably after increasing the Kumbhaka, puraka and rechaka ratios, you will start developing you Ida Nadi, your left side. which is not a very good experience, because it is very dark, squizofrenic and echoeish, but it is much more safe to start by developing it than the Pingala (Sun Nadi). Thus you start "cleansing up your karmas" but necesseraily with "Ida Nadi" so that you do not burn yourself up, as a safety measure. Only after you have atained i high ratio on Nadi Shodhana, you should start with Bhastrika Pranayam with retention. If you are with a Guru, maybe there is another Way to reach the same goal faster. But withou a guru, you surely want to always tend to Ida nADI. Repeating.. It is not a pleasent experience to activate Ida Nadi and Explore the World of the Dead while still alive. On the Hobbit it is said that they had to go into the Dark Woods (Ida Nadi activation) because the Main Passage was blocked (Sushumna) In Hermetical Alchemy they speak of a Wet Path (Via Umida - Ida activation) and Dry Path (Via Seca - Pingala Activation). The Via Umida is said to be slower, and the Via Seca faster to the ultimate Goal - The Philosophers Stone. but the Via Seca is much, much more dangerous due to the possibility of Explosion of the Great Work. When Ida Nadi is activated, Qi Spirals. (Alchemical drawings would show flasks with vapours spiraling out) When Pingala Nadi is activated, Qi Blasts. (Alchemical drawings would show furnaces with great fire and an alchemist handling some aparatus on the blazing fire).... it is said that sooner or later the alchemist enters the Dry Path (but, i guess, the most time he stays on the via umida, the safer) ---------------------------------------------------------- from what I studied... If something went wrong and i start to feel as if I am burning i would: 1) try and stay calm 2) try and mesh both sides on the spinal column (Gopi Krishna) 3) Eat nourishing food every 2 1/2 hours (Gopi Krishna - and - Introduction to Tantra: Arthur of Avalon) 4) Avoid contact with Fire (introduction to Tantra: Arthur of Avalon) 5) Avoid being under the Sun and Heat. And oh, i mastered Khechari mudra now, I think that I read is some place that it is cooling, and reduces the digestive fire also, but i am not quite sure. ---------------------------------------------------------- Oh... Theos Bernard on his Hatha Yoga books mentions that White Light is specifically related to Kundalini, and he was advised to work with other coloured lights before trying to handle Kundalini. The other lights being related to other Tattvas What does "go easy with it" mean? like.. stop practicing it? thanks for message brother... lately i have been feeling alot of devotion... i always as for help before my practices and do it trying to feel the Presence around me guiding me.... ----------------------- have you guys heard anything else about handling fire?

I have heard sometime ago about how the visualization of certain colors are good for developing certain aspects of our human framework... But I do not remember the details. Does anyone know what color is good for visualizing for developing healthy Tissue? Maybe there are difrerent colors for different tissue. I am asking this because I had a torn meniscus recently, and am very afraid of not healing properly, which could possibly hinder by future practice in full lotus positions. At the end of my Qigong practices I am visualizing just plain Qi, no color, passing through my knee and taking away all impurities, but maybe there is a specific color for catilage damage. Does anyone know anything aboiut this? Than you

Yes, I noticed it... unfortunately I do not have internet in my house, and probably miss some precious posts since I do not access everyday. But I was lucky this time due to your actions! ----------------------- About stopping some aspects of the practice... It is important to note that I do not feel cold during the practice... I feel fine.. it is just my skin that become cold. I used to have alot of night emissions, but lacked sexual vigour. Afetr practicing the Kidney strengthening, I noticed that the emission ceased... I still dream with women and having intercourse with them, but I do not ejaculate, and I noiced that, even though I am not having emissions, I wake up with an erection more often, so I guess that the Kidney Stregnghthening is really helping me to preserve My Yin and Yang in Kidney, since I was having up to 3 ejacs or more a weak, with no control.. I was in dispair!... During the Kidney Strengthening exercices I felt alot of Heat and even sweating. The feeling of cold happens more often ater I go to sleep. please Friend... I am not discarting you precious post, I am just extending the discussion further more. Cheers.

So... I got a Cold, on the Day I got the cold, I must have sneezed about 500 times... Till night time... At night I Dipped my feet in scorching hot water for 15 minutes As I said, and after that moxa'd the Suzanli points and went right to bed... As soon as I did this I stopped sneezing at once. The next day I only sneezed about 4 times in the morning and that's it.. it stopped completely.... I thought that I had gotten completely better, so I ate alot of salad and fruits, which are cooling... wasn't a very good idea because I night I was feeling kind of chilly still, so I did the procedur once again, on my feet and Moxa.... and I was cured completely for sure.... I highyl recommend it... After I moxa suzanli I felt the most strange feelings on my legs, as if they were highly energized... But I was only with a Cold, clear this mucus and sneezing... I do not know if it is advisable to use it if the mucus got Yellow, concentrated and cooked. which means A Deeper Heat Disharmony...

hmmm... I agree with you in some aspects.. I think it is possible to "create" a symbol subjectively and associate it with a power... but I also think that there are certain symbols that are concrete in themselves. Theos Bernard for example says that White coloures light is usually associated with Kundalini, so I wouldn't use it anyway because of Kundalini's avasalating force... He says that certain colours are associated with certain Tattwas, but does not say much more...

Whoa aloot of replies rsrs... Here I go... ------------------------------------------ My night practice is dedicated to Chinese Qigong... I start my practice with simple Ba Duan Jin to open up the body and spread some Qi around. Then move along to the Relaxation tecniques found in the "Qigong Empowernment" book or Grandmaster ShouYuLiang Then move alond to the Qi Permeating Technique found in the "Qigong Empowernment" book or Grandmaster ShouYuLiang Then move along to the Kidney Strengthening Qigong series, found in the "Qigong Empowernment" book or Grandmaster ShouYuLiang. Then I move along to the Zhang Zhuang Standing meditation found in "The Way Of Energy" book of Master Kam Lam Chuen. This series takes about 2 hours. --------------------------- Some times I think that those illnesses are carmic dirt being keensed up (My totally spiritual self says that) and some times I think it is just a immune system failure (my rational 21st Cenrtuy self says that). During one of this illnesses I dreamt that I was in a boat in the seashore, right next to a very high mountain (right beyond the beach), the Mountain was covered in dark clouds, and I felt as if My mouth was full of bits and pieces of shell material from the sea, and I kept spitting it all the time... Really looked like a cleansing process to me, rsrs.. I believe that this process is kind of "normal" since I have read articles that mention this "process"; I.e. The fact that Theos Bernard in his "Hatha Yoga" book says that the Kundlini Yoga practitioners haave to practice during Spring or Autumn as not to get sick. Bilbo Baggins in "The Hobbit" gets pretty sick, with a cold and sneezing like hell after he manages to "open up the gate from the Dungeons of the Forset Elves Castle and dive into the Underground River that flowed throught the castle". And well during one of the initiations of Goku in Dragon Ball (hen he goes to a Icy Cold place to drink an Elixir), well soon after that, Master Kami gets with a pretty strong Cold, sneezing and all... So beacause Of this, I think it not because of something gone wrong in the practice, but on the contrary... went pretty well.. The thing is... what comes next? And what Can I do to avoid those side-effects? -------------------------------------------------- Geese, right on the Spot Bro! Yesterday i spent the whole day sneezing like hell, all day long... At night I dipped my feet on very hot water for about 15 minutes and did moxa on Zusanli points right before going to sleep, and woila! Stopped sneezing right away and snezzed only like three times today!... I've heard that the Samurais would burn their Suzanli points with hot iron before going to battle so that their immunity and Yang would Boost. I guess that this is the solution for the problem.... dipp Feet in hot water and moxa on Suzanli right beore going to bed (and sleeping with socks also) rsrs ------------------------------------------ During the practice I get warm and even sweat... then I notice that my skin is getting cold, but I do not feel cold, just my skin is very cold and kind of sweaty and moist. ------------------------------------------------ Exatly brother!!!! I shake alot, but a kind of very subtle shaking, like a rumble, specially in my Sacrum and Spine.. --------------- Thank you all brothers!

Thank You thelerner... I have seen a similar practice on he "qigong empowerment" book composed mainly by Grandmaster Shou Yu Liang. He says he learned this practice from buddhists, and that the bodies of the masters that has got very proficient in it actually dissappears when he / she dies, and kind of dissolves into rainbow colours... pretty cool, he says that it can be practices with a candle also, but I didn't read it very attentively and never tried practicing it.. I will surely try it now. Thank so very much my brother! in my case it was a partial tare... I practice alot o Yoga meditations and full lotus, and it was diring a full lotus that it popped... I am very worried that I will never be able to enter into full lotus again.. but I am just waiting... I have discovered some nice exercices to open up the knee joints so that the meniscus isn't pinched... It has been three weeks since my inury.. my knee is still slightly painful, but with total movement range... I discovered it is now making like 4 different snaping sounds... Those are the exercices: Knee Openners: http://www.yinyoga.c...nyoga_knees.php Manduki Asana http://fondfamily.fi...anduki-mudr.jpg ... I highly recommend that people that practice ull lotus and feels pain in the meniscus pracice dilligently those exercises so that they do not snap the meniscus, and manage to staay longer periods in the lotus position... Geese... I hopes that I had access to this information before popping my knee! Am calling the acupuncture center right away... nice images... I thought that maybe the Golden Colour would be appropriate since it is associated with the root chakra, and physical body (Gold and Red in the Traditional scriptures). But any way, I think I am just going to boost some energy through my knee after my Qigong practice and get some acupuncture done, since I do not manage to visualizy very well definite colours for long periods of time.. Thank you all

happens with me too

I have just discovered that lately I have been training my Bulbocavernosus Muscles instead of the PC muscles!!! the contraction that i feel in the perineum is actually right underneath the surface... the PC being a few inches internally.... anyway i am posting here so that anyone comiting the same mistake can correct themselves too... here is a picture from the internet with both muscles.. http://withfriendship.com/images/h/36864/Pubococcygeus-muscle-picture.jpg

Thelerner, I read master kam lam chuens books and videos on youtube. I practice holding the belly, holding the ball on the chest, arms spread oon sides and holding um heaven. Will try other ones after some more weeks who knows. I am still a newbie on zhan zhuang, but it is very powerful for me. As an overall formula though, I would first master breathing processes such as nadi shodhana pranayama (on the morning) with high retention periods. That certainly will activate your energy. After that I would start to add on zhan zhuandg practice at night. I recomend this because it is the way I did it. I thought I was going insane, for months on a row everything was constantly spinning around me. I was totaly spaced out, I couldn't walk on a straing line, always tilting to my left. I didn't know what was happening. So I started practicing zhan zhuang at night, after some months I discovered how to reallly STAY STILL, like a rock, a mountain, And a miracle happened. my body stayed still, the spinning sensation stopped and all of a sudden a spiraling energy current started moving round my body like a snake, i finaly separated the energy from my body, and it was very pleasent. I ended up discovering also that thoughts are formed by energy, a kind of subtle matter on top of the head, so I learned how to stop the thought process, so the "energy" ontop of my head to get loose and start spiraling around my body in the most fantastic spiral moving patterns, often spirling down my left leg into the ground. The Pranayama activated the energy currents and the standing meditation gave the last "pull" to further unlock. Incredible. those experiences are the latest ones I had, but every week or so I discover new ones, truly amazing.. I agree with DAO rain tao... an empty mind is totally necessary for the new experiences. and.... STAND STILL, ROCK STEADY...

I have been practicing Pranayama and sitting meditation daily for three years now. I noticed that for months on a row I kept entering into a mental slumber, sleepiness process, without alot of benefits. After starting practicing Zhan Zhuang, everything changed. I practice standing meditation for about 1hr - 1hr 30min at night and sitting meditation on the mornings. The result is incredible, sometimes I need to stop the sitting meditation earlear due to excessive energy. I feel very lucky to findout about the standing meditation. Really nice. A true complementary practice to sitting meditation. Sometimes after a good session, some frieds have said to me that they are able to see auras and even feel extre-physical entities. (He believed that he attracted the spirit because his energy got strong.) Every day of practice is a new discovery. New energy patterns. New insights into the practice and into my energetic nature.

If you have the capacity of creatively practice, and notice to your own body's signs, sooner or later you will feel into the correct practices. ofcourse, you can fuck up alot of times and get some scars, if you are lucky, those scars won't be too damaging. self discovery is this, we are the only ones able to change ourselves. no book, and no masters can do it. but they sure can give us some tools! oh... *I love free media*

Buy a Dog, let him sleep in your bed with you, talk to him, humanize him, conect with him. And woila! (careful not to be born a dog next reincarnation) ps 1 * just jokin* ps 2 *or am I?*

Funny. My ups and downs are quite accentuated lately. In phisics an electric current is formed by Potential Diference. maybe it's normal if you really want to get enlightened, kind of snapping the taiji-cord to return to Dao, qat least during some periods of practice. Just don't kill your-self in the depressions, "The wise man knows that the storm will fade away" Laotse And don't try to grasp absesively the "ups" also, just watch it, do not possess it. You did not get a boner because your energy was up high. People with energy uphigh lack of sexual desires, and feel as if they are stepping on clouds - ungrounded. alot of yoga practices do this, like nadi shodhana pranayama with high retention periods.

Nice... I like to go for the ROOTS always also... A funny thing that I have noticed is that most people accept a "guru" very easily. The first freak indian-looking idiot that appears in their front, they already kneel down and well... kind of funny... Another point, and this one is more subtle, and a kind of a hunch... I believe that most of those Qigong and Yoga teachers of today didn't actually have great acomplishment and enlightments but, nevertheless, the practices that they expound on their books, workshops, etc, are (sometimes) quite profound. A diligent student, normallyt born with an innate capacity of energy manipulation, and a reasonably opened third eye (inner guru) opened, who is lucky enought to access correct knowledge, about energy mechanisms, etc... CAN, by himself, find the path and use the knowledge acquired from those lower acomplishment teachers. As if the force of destiny is using people of lower acomplishment to pass on knowledge to people of higher acomplishment.... Ex. One obssesive low acomplishement practitioner goes to China to seek for knowledge. Cool, but there is a balance beacause the real true knowledge is inside. Anyways. He searches, searches, searches and searches for a great great great grand master. and.. eventually.. he finds this master! The master looks at him, sees that his acomplishement is low, and that probably the exercises won't give many spiritual benefit. But anyway, he feels that it is necesssary to pass on his knowledge to the student (who does benefit from the practice also), who wrights a book in english with the info and sells it world wide in amazon. Many people who don't have the time or financial oportunity to find a grand master - teacher, but that are born with great energetic capacity, reads the book and continue their cultivation practice from previous lives. note: 1st - this is a hunch 2nd - by no means I think I am of a higher acomplishment by saying this (maybe destiny is using me - low acomplishemnt - to say something true, just as the example said above.

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There is the possibility of grounding the excess qi to the ground, which would not drain the energy vessels from your legs (ejaculating would). To get past your solar plexus you should know how to relax your diagragm and abdominal muscles. Try the Following. - Lay down on your back in Shavasana (savasana). Slowly relax you whole body, arms, then legs, the back, then head, then abdominal muscles, etc. one at each time. After you are considerably relaxed.. focus primarily you abdominal muscles... try to relax them to the point that they will sink toward the ground with the gravity pull. Now go on to you diafragm.. it is a little tricky to feel the diafragm, just concentrate on the area of you solar plexus - stomach. And bring you consciousness some inches inside your body... Now, relaxxxxxxx.. especially when breathing out. After you practice a while, you will manage to relax your diafragm together with you abdominal muscles... You will know that you are managing to relax them deeply because your diafragm will spontaneosly move upward (toward your heart), your rib cage will naturally expand laterally, and you abdomen will suck in, causing a vacuum effect on your digestive cavity, due to the upward pull of the relaxed diafragm. All those movements will happen at the same time, maybe a little violently and for a short period of time initially... if you manage, you will certainly know that you managed it.. it is beautiful. This is the True UDDIYANA BANDHA. A picture: It is not only wrong, but also harmfull to practice uddiyana bandha by contracting the abdominal muscles inward... IT WILL BLOCK THE ENERGY FURTHER STILL. After you managed it laying down.. try to do it sitting down, and whilst doing jalandhara bandha, in the following sequence: 1)breathe in 2)breathe out 3)Hold your breath out 4)chin lock 5)relax abdominal muscles and diafragm (spontaneous uddiyana bandha) 6) stop uddiyana bandha 7)relsease chin lock 8) breath in don't harmyour self... youi MUST be relaxed during the practice.. remember it is an advfanced practice. I recomend doing it olny after you mastered breath retention inward and outward, which takes some years. Notice that, when practiced properly.. the throat pit will be sucked in spontaneously also... the chin lock (jaladhara bandha) will help maintaining the air tight in your lungs... If you want to do this practice.. you must manage to do it in a very relaxed state.... and with the correnct inhalation:retention:exhalation:retention ratio. The upper sucktion and relaxation of this practice will make the energy get past the solar plexus easily, but be ware... it will go straight to your head, you must know what you are doing, and where/how to direct this energy if it get's stuck any where up there.... All this information is because you asked for it... please be careful... Any problems you may PM me It is not only wrong, but also harmfull to practice uddiyana bandha by contracting the abdominal muscles inward... IT WILL BLOCK THE ENERGY FURTHER STILL. Please... very careful... dealing with energy is a delicate art... you must be cautious... I recomend you practice nadi shodhana pranayama some years before attemting it...this will increase your breath retention period and adapt your body for the pranic load. Hope this helps.. Marks

I think you are building jing and preserving it by doing so... i see semen and hormones as "solid" energy. you will go a little insane yes, and if you manage to brake through insanity / past mental conflicts you will access higher spheres / vibrations (which require higher amounts of energy to access).. by holding up you jing you will probably start feeling like women feel before their menstruation (pre-menstrual tension). It is a good way toget to know your unconscious problems.... youi will probably get pissed of with people, etc... but actually you will do so because of your own self-repressions.. so it is up to you to identify them... your "shadows"....

Hmmm... some interesting things came in mind.... Swami Satyananda says in some of his books that kundalini is firmly established one it reaches manipura chakra, which is in the same location as the real lower dantien (behind navel and in front of mingmen) Very interesting in deed.. the chakra that precedes is is Swadhisthana, he refers to it as ~purgatorry~ very yin like experiences,passiveness, and living lot of past karmas mentally, I found this experience veery similar to the ~yin spirit~ ddeescription.... passive, and storehouse of karmas.... Swami said also that alot of tantric buddhist traditions regard the Kundalini force as residing in Manipura region and not in mooladhara.... maybe because in the dantien is where the embryo is formed initially.... firmly estblishing spiritual development... after you reach this level... conserving energy becomes alot easyer, and the alchemical work gets very hot.... kind of the opposite problem... Any way... probrable the spiritual embryo is formes in manipura and it`s birth takes place in ~sahasrara chakra~, (it is know that when kundalini reaches there, the yoguin nver is born again. just wanted to share this info because soetimes by studying diferent traditions it becomes easear to get the real message... If you want to discover the mysteries of language, it is good to stud 33 completely diferent languages, like chinese, one eaastern (latin) and say, one native american... so that ou kind of understand the symbolic drills... the same applies to learning alchemy... it is easear to understand what the enygmatic word mean if you study diferent traditions... in hermetic alchem is is said that there is a humid and dry path... sooner or later you need to adopt the dry path.. it is very hot... guess it is when you reach manipura... you feeel graounded and energy doesn`t disperse that easily anymore (unlike the humid path, where the energ disperses ina chaotic and apourish manner) --------------------------------------------- do you think this post is interesting? useful? easy to comprehend? worthless? thank you

Inverted Yoga postures? sirshasan and shoulder-staand, practice aswini mudra (anal sfyncter contraction) when exhaling, when upside down. also learn how to relaax all the abdominal and diafragm muscles so that a vcum is created to suck in our guts back in.... NO HOT WATER, IT WILL MAKE IT LARGER cold water.... ICY cold water there...

What a nice methodic aproach Mithstrike... _________________________________ Does anyone know where a methodic approach of wushu stance training can be found\ I simply have lot of difficulty creeting my own...

your flesh is allegory also Life is this allegory, it is real and not only philosophical.... you me, the internet, this computer... And well.. this dude says he sees snakes kinda of every night, colorful ones, flying all over... so maybe the Nagas are here right now... if you have the third eye opened....

oh.. I thought you were a little more open minded.... he wold draw amazing archetypal pictures of naked women without not even having seen one before... I don't know if you understood qhat I ment in the last post.... anyway I thought that the video would be interesting for you but I did not find any video that... I am not sure of what you meant with your Thread... anyway.. maybe you find this info interesting... the clip of the vid (without subtitles, unfortunately... if you would want to see the whole documentary i think you would have to buy the video) trailer: some images in google: https://www.google.com.br/search?q=moacir+arte+bruta&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:pt-BR:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=pt-BR&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=5t8zUI-VJ4XK0AGnvYC4Dg&biw=1240&bih=547&sei=7t8zUJKnCePV0QHQ5oHQAg anyway th documentary is "Moacir arte bruta" and the director is Walter Carvalho... didn't quite understando you DISABLED. but anyway.. hope this helps

Hmmm.;... it is not possible to access youtube from the computer that I am at the moment... search for "Moacir arte bruta" in you tube... hopefully you will find some excerpts... or if you are very interested, maybe you find the documentary to buiy in the internet.... Moacir (the man's name) was born in a cidy called "alto paraíso" (High Paradise) - Brazil... This place if famous for its curitive powers, extreme energy field, giant crystals and miraculous scenery - kinda of like the lord of the rings scenery.... Any was... Moacir was a diferent person ever since he was born.... he refused to drink even a drop of his mothers milk! from an extremely poor family, he developed abnormal artistic abilities and draws extremely powerful drawings... he sees stuff like flying colouful serpents, and, says he even talked to the devil once... very charming person.... oh.. he has a smelling capability that is of another world.. he simply hates the "stench" as he says of most of the people... a must see for mystical students... he was born even with a stran "scrotum like" structure hanging in his throat, like a goat!... cheers,... hopes this helps in your surbveys... PM me if any dougts.... Marks

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