Yoda

My take on AugustLeo is that his mindset is like that of being in the Marines where it is 100% expected that there will be some *highly* uncomfortable experiences and whining about these problems is lame and counterproductive as there's no way around them but through them regardless of the path one takes. Since I'm not in the Winpro/AugustLeo camp, I have no insights or comments about their experiences. I'm just bringing this up from the perspective of the average practitioner who isn't the next Yogi of the century and needs to keep it together in front of the kids and all that. Does Kunlun bring up the average joe's inner demons too quickly as simple as that? Or does the Kunlun lineage carry a virus? After a long time considering the issue personally and getting backstage glimpses in over a dozen practitioner's lives I have come to the conclusion that there is room for reasonable disagreement on this topic. As such, deserves discussion. Yoda

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Witch, Great to hear from you again... I've missed you!! I always love your take on things and I'll ponder what you have said. The toughest intellectual question for me has been why everyone has such wildly different experiences with the practice. I *really* resonate with what you say about different practitioners getting sorted/sorting themselves/etc into different "zones" just like how you found yourself in a different zone of experience with the Boston dude. I also got the vibe that I got sorted out of the practice perhaps a bit like Taomeow or Scotty described. Maybe Max or the energies knew it wasn't for me or something. (????) Or maybe I just was starting to understand at some level that it wasn't for me and just let the momentum of things pop me into different directions. I can see how family bed plus Kunlun hasn't exactly worked out... they don't have that chapter in most parenting books ... but until I get this here genie back into the bottle, she'll stay with us. Then again, I'm the troublemaker here I can just sleep in another room and she can sleep with Mom. I'll kick it around. Thanks for the unsolicited parenting advice! Your pal, Yoda ~~~ Starjumper, Very cool to see you here too! If you could be nice to my pal 5ET, I'd appreciate it!! (I'm not going to mediate between mgd and AugustLeo though!! ) I think Mantra is a great guy but I was disappointed with the fact that he mislead you about arranging a meet up with Max... definitely bad form. I'm glad you are still around. Your pal, Yoda

Are these problems "awakening symptoms" or are they just problems? I believe that both sides are 100% right on this point. The question is... what do we become at the end of the day? Imo, the net net bottom line is not in the average practitioner's favor. Thanks Soco for adding that... whichever side turns out to be correct, we can all agree that it is a strange ride!!! Yoda

So seeing my daughter do kunlun in the middle of the night brings up a new dimension to the personal responsibility theme... even if Kunlun is a totally fine, non-problematic practice with simply issues that it will bring to the surface do I have a right to put that kind of thing at the feet of my 8 year old daughter? I had asked her to test the Kunlun position several times and she was definitely open to the energy of it, but she never practiced it... so it was more than a bit surprising that she would have a strong Kunlun experience in her sleep months later. (She sat up in her sleep and started shaking vigorously for a few seconds, stopped, and then laid back down, her eyes were closed and she had no recollection of the event in the morning but she woke both Mrs Yoda and I up with her shaking, as she sleeps with us.) Another thorny issue: once this sort of thing is activated, where is the stop button? I quit over a month ago but it's still rattling around inside me. Even if I get the actual practice itself to stop, are there deeper components simply chillin' out on inactive status? Yoda

5ET, No need for apology... your thoughts are excellent and it's quite possible that you are 100% right... As we say in the South, I'm definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed. Your pal, Yoda

Michael is right: I haven't the foggiest clue as to what his practice life looks like. From what I can tell, it has been highly focused, disciplined, and efficacious.

I'm fine to be thought of as a completely delusional drama queen and I fervently hope that is how it is. Yoda

Hopefully I'm completely wrong about Kunlun being 100% problematic but I feel very comfortable claiming that Kunlun is either "partially" or "highly" problematic. At the very least, the average practitioner should have ongoing contact with a qualified teacher. ~~~ Here are some misc notes: I had a few bedroom encounters where I've strongly sensed the presence, felt the touch of, or seen entities. At the time they happened, I can't tell you whether I was awake, dreaming, or somewhere in between. One time, they put their hands around my neck and squeezed rather hard. The event had an erotic goth tone to it and I had mixed reactions about the encounter. Same for the dreams that I had... definite sense of fascination but vaguely uncomfortable undertones. I had this one dream where Max kissed me on the lips... a bit erotic but non-sexual. Reminded me of the Hindu notion of the demon kiss (inauspicious btw ). I had another creepy undertone dream where Max was standing on the moon. As far as channeling goes, I could ask yes and no questions and my head would nod or shake and I bet I could have run an Ouija board successfully during this time but I wasn't ready for automatic writing or having them "speak" through me directly. I asked if they loved me and they said "yes." That sort of thing. My practice of Kunlun was sometimes just shaking or doing simple taichi like motions but it mostly was of praying and bowing to the four directions and simultaneously grinning and frowning hugely and also doing a frantic lower MCO orbit lead by my hands with the orbit going up the front and down the back with this crazy facial expression and a sense of urgency. And lots of sword finger mudras. The facial expression and the finger mudras were coming up more and more in my regular life. Sometimes very animalistic motions and sounds esp cat-like and snake-like. So the vibe was a bit creepy but there was still a strong sensation of love and mysticism in the air... so it was sort of a toss up as to whether to go on. My more advanced Kunlun pals said that things got weirder in the future and that was my sense for myself as well if I had stuck with it. Getting out is a whole different story... is that even possible? Will RP keep on trucking forever? Will it just lay dormant ready to pop up during inopportune moments? Did I mention that my 8 year old daughter once woke up in the middle of the night doing some serious kunlun? That's a whole different aspect to all of this! Jmo, Yoda

The morning after thread!! The question of "who" is showing up in the middle of the night is a big one. Happy gods and angels or mean ghosts and demons? Seemingly angels but really demons? Seemingly demons but really great teachers? Or some sort of bizarre middle ground: horny angels who like to have a bit of fun but are also effective cultivation coaches and ultimately nice folks who are totally appropriate to introduce to Mom. Or maybe nothing at all is going on and nobody is really there... just more story telling and delusion. I'd like to think that they are representatives of the lineage... simpler that way. But who knows... maybe Kunlun just opens us to whatever is out there both the good and bad which would account for why some of us have had very differing experiences. The official position is that the process of awakening sleeping areas of the brain will have its glitchy stages and you just have to ride it out. If they are bad news, why are they training us to higher levels of functionality? Why go through the trouble? What's in it for them? What's in it for Max? Why do they often share a loving and blissful vibe? For the non-Kunlunie, the situation is very much like playing with an Ouija board with all of it's controversies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija Whether true or not, Max's account about confronting and besting his Maoshan teacher after his teacher turned to energetic vampirism, isn't an auspicious one to have in one's lineage... Sith parallels are hard to miss. I have no idea if my Senator Palpatine blues are grounded in the slightest... maybe I'm just running from the practice to save my ego structure and belief system from being challenged but I feel it's appropriate to at least put these thoughts on the table even if they are totally delusional. Just like the real Yoda didn't see it coming, neither did I. Yoda

True! Feelings of devotion and otherworldly creepy vibes put me into a vampire flick mindset. At first I found all this to be entertaining but as the months clicked by I found myself running out of cash and strangely didn't really care... things along those lines hinted that I needed a change of pace. Meanwhile a fellow kunlunie encountered some potentially serious problems from it and got fast acting help from Mak Tin Si. I was still happy with the practice but felt that I must have made a wrong turn somewhere and hoped that Mak Tin Si could help me tweak my practice a bit. But in the end I decided it would be best just to drop it.

t I think that Mak Tin Si has drawn off some of that fire, plus Chris and Max have distanced themselves from TTBs recently, and Kunlun isn't as "new," so things are more relaxed now.

Cat, I'm curious about that too. Some have had great results, but I've had too many problems with spookiness and general problems in life. Your pal, Yoda

I found the practice utterly fascinating but in the end, everything was too weird: my experiences, Max's vibe, my friends' experiences, etc. There are some big challenges in front of the advanced practitioner and I'm definitely not up for it. If Kunlun was a flower, it would be a red rose... touchy to grow and thorny to handle... not my thing. Yoda

cool how-to article: http://wiki.ehow.com/Become-a-Taoist#External_Links

thanks all!

MY, Welcome to taobums! Your pal, Yoda

Who here recommended Osho recently? As I was reading up on Cayce's history of Atlantis in the Barnes and Noble an Osho book caught my eye and he blasted my brain in 5 minutes. Amazing shit. I'm maxed out on HT and Bodri angles but still want more practice related reading and I found a good source that should hold me for a few months. -Yoda

I've heard it said that snoring is good for you... no need to change.

Mal, While talismanic magic and Ng Yin Do Pai FUs share some similar pathways to accomplish their respective missions, I'd imagine that their power sources have nothing in common. Your pal, Yoda

Hardyg, If I remember correctly, ground up gemstones are an ingredient in the paint. Your pal, Yoda

Michael, I was going through the National Gallery in DC in January and the energy off the Van Gogh paintings were seriously intense. The energy given off by the Monet paintings were very beautiful. Walking through that building was an amazing experience. I feel like those artists were sharing something with me that was a tangible, real thing. Maybe in a similar way Mak Tin Si paints his FU calligraphy with Taoism energy? Your pal, Yoda

Hardyg, A FU is a charm or talisman usually drawn on paper. Your pal, Yoda ~~~ Thelerner, After Randi's experience, I've asked for Mak Tin Si's help for almost 40 friends and family members! Everyone has a different situation and I'd imagine that the nature of his work isn't an immediate thing. After total radio silence for a couple of months, Mak Tin Si emailed me that Randi would likely be cured of her heartburn soon and immediately Randi got a lot of improvement dramatically which greatly increased her physical comfort and peace of mind but there still is a long ways to go. It's my understanding that Mak Tin Si is working primarily on me getting my energy levels and attitude back up to strong, positive levels and that will naturally help her out. She doesn't have any interest in using FUs or anything, so treating her indirectly might be the best channel. Your pal, Yoda

Pixie, Welcome to taobums! Your pal, Yoda

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