Yoda

"Without a sense of humor life just isn't funny!" -doesn't matter Welcome to taobums!

Seekeroftruth, It is instructive to look at other vibrationally based truths: especially happy people, healthy vs unhealthy, poor vs rich, gender differences, cultural differences, religious differences, age differences, etc. It seems like the very rules of causation are different for different groups and that there is a tremendous chasm even in the ability of one group to communicate with members of the another. A depressed person can't pick up a how-to-be-happy book and do the drills and get happy... their experience simply doesn't support it... there are no demos, no one to talk to, etc that can help. I think of "scientistism" as a form of depression too. Of course, by normal adult standards, scientists are very happy, but still are only picking the fruit from the lowest branches. Did you watch the TED talk "Stroke of Insight"? There was a scientist who thought she was perfectly happy as she was doing a good job garnering high regard from her peers. But after her left hemisphere shut down, she learned what deeper happiness was all about and now cares nothing for her old ways. Being right is a trap... be like a child and be free. Your pal, Yoda

welcome to taobums!

I've been blabbing here for 4 years and haven't come up for air yet. By my figuring, Ramana Maharishi was born ready to pop. I think most people would do better finding a method of cultivation to get more poppable in the first place. By downlow, I was just jokingly refering to the fact that there's more jousting than loving around here, but whatever floats your boat is welcome. Your pal, Yoda

yeah baby!

mco=microcosmic orbit. Just no intentionally pumping/packing/slurping energy around the body.

Seek1, It's fine, just keep it on the downlow! Moonbar, the whole path can be done quickly and easily like with Ramana Maharishi who just sat down and figured out life, the universe, and everything in about 5 minutes. The downsides are that you become aware of the suffering of others and you have to be smart as hell. Welcome to taobums! Your pal, Yoda

Matt, Welcome to taobums! What are your fav Christian cultivation books? Your pal, Yoda

Streetcat, Welcome to taobums! Read the kunlun prophet speaks thread. Don't do kundalini/MCO type drills if you are doing kunlun and don't do mantras within a couple of hours of kunlun. But everything else should be fine. Like with any practice, if you run into problems reduce practice, take time off, or eliminate altogether. Your pal, Yoda

SiliconValley, Thanks for sharing!! Your pal, Yoda

If somebody you like smiles, you smile. If somebody you don't like smiles... the transmission gets messed up. I think the whole dynamic is more on the receiver's end: I believe it's possible to stand next to Jesus himself and get seriously messed up. Also, I think it's possible to stand in the midst of horrible people and be able to tune into their love.

Darin, If at first you don't succeed, blame the book! Welcome to taobums! Your pal, Yoda

I'm stoked that there are so many shaking practices around here now: Kunlun, KAP, Jenny Lamb, Elizabeth in New Zealand, Keeney, and Jan Fries, etc. These sources, in turn, seem to draw upon a great number of different traditions. At some point I look forward to studying with some of these other schools too. It's fun that many of the bums are fluent in more than one system too. We are all getting shamanic around here... look forward to seeing how this all develops! If anyone has additional shakey systems that they'd like to share, please do. Yoda

and Santa Claus too! (I've been especially good, btw!!)

how about the hugging guru and Mother Meera?

I don't know about y'all, but I'm sticking to the literal thunder god story, myself.

Ya Mu, Thanks for the clarification! no but a friend of mine recently did and said it was a great experience and that there was still a lot of love there and one of the people there sang and danced in a very inspired way.

So I went back to May 20, 2008 when some dude named Vajrasattva rode into our peaceful village... I figured he was just some nut who had read a few of Glenn's books, but after Hundun got hit by a chi ball the size of Mt Vesuvius from a thousand miles away, I realized that class was in session. Fortunately, he turns out to be a great guy too and he's really helped us bums move ahead in a number of our discussions and is a real credit to Glenn Morris' legacy. I can definitely feel Glenn's inspiration in Santiago's posts... the same clarity, irreverence, and creativity all shines through. So I put some of his posts together in one place in no particular order and I'll try to keep it updated. Feel free to add to this compilation: any healer of any system HAS TO DO SOME FORM OF CULTIVATION and self work. Otherwise they can be toast to soon. But its true some tantric healers do not care for the human vessle as much as others would like them to care for it. But who is to say? I couldn't fathom doing Reiki or any healing with out a solid chi gung practice or cultivation of some sorts. Sorry i misspelled his name its "wang shu jin " Safest way to heal is to let the Earth & Cosmos work through you. You are the bridge and conductor but not the boss the boss is the energy itself. Peace Santiago Glenn used to say Reiki by itself = Spray Bottle spritz Chi Gung + Reiki = FIRE HOSE ~~~~ Exactly infact its more damaging to the actuall physicaly body than people realize. for certain levels of spiritual integration with the Earth you need the sole chakras on the earth. Look at the pictures of the egyptian gods, Mayan, Aztec Gods the tibetan gods etc.....Where is the lotus pose? Yes it represents something about self "independence" But its JUST and asana. There are hundreds of them that actually do more for you once you know. ~~~~ He is the 1st deity you invoke to secure success and stability in tantric practices. He is the ruler of the Earth Mandala & base Chakra and he is also the bringer of prosperity and abundance. He is the remover of all Obstacles. Offer him Milk, sweets, coins, Incense , water, flowers, a nice place to reside. He is a Sweet Deity if you pay attention to him otherwise he will knock you on your ass. Hope this helps [/b]Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! Aum Gam Ganapatye Namah! ~~~~~ He is on the money and 100% correct. We call this KUDA KUDA in silat. And its crucial for martial arts and internal power training. And in KAP we use it for or advanced breathing techniques. Its also in yoga as mountain pose. and truth s the PYRAMID is very important aspect it correlates with the 3rd eye & the Triangle of the 3rd chakra & the widening of the BASE chakra. He is on the money and 100% correct. We call this KUDA KUDA in silat. And its crucial for martial arts and internal power training. And in KAP we use it for or advanced breathing techniques. Its also in yoga as mountain pose. and truth s the PYRAMID is very important aspect it correlates with the 3rd eye & the Triangle of the 3rd chakra & the widening of the BASE chakra. ~~~~~ That is a good course I am ranked in Psionics through Dr. Porter. Infact he will be at my silat camp next week teaching psionics & Fire walking. Psionics is a lot of stuff that is similar to what Dr. Morris did. Its the brain child of Dr. John Porter. It is a lot of Mind of matter stuff, Astral Travel, remote Viewing, Mikkyo Mandala work & super brain activity. Dr. Porter is a Great teacher and a true master in Internal arts. He was Glenn's oldest student and Colleague. He was with Glenn when they both trained with Stephen Hayes. Needless to say you should ask him who is who in HOSHIN....he has been there the longest. Dr. Porter and Soke Williams have a book available on Psionics through Lulu. http://www.lulu.com/content/1239075 Seems like it would provide a good grounding for the Psionics coursework. `~~~~~ Tenaga Dalam & Hoshin Tao Chi Kung in application http://youtube.com/watch?v=XkI03kElc5E enjoy This is one of my students who is a KAP 1 grads & Silat Students. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_TyqJ0BPAA http://youtube.com/watch?v=UejisbXYjKM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEosiSZgKAA ~~~~ his is good training! I do my ILMU BATIN training in water submerged in water up to my mouth. I try to do this daily in my Lake. Dr. Morris used to do the same coincidentally. When ever he came to visit Tao & I. We used to all go to the Lake and Glenn would do his advanced breathing in the water with his Chi Kung Movements. He would spend HOURS in there relaxing and doing Chi Kung. It was fun to be around him and experience. The level of energy moved was tremendous. I have always done my chi kung in water but now funny enough I find myself now doing that again with with the instructions given to me by my ILMU BATIN Gurus. The water is a great place to train in especially at night. Tao Semko spends hours in the ocean where he lives on miami beach doing his training aswell. I highly recommend water training. Good idea to hit that water and do your stuff in there especially Uddiyanas & Nauli. This was how I learned to do Bhasti Kriya in the ocean. God Bless Santiago ~~~~~ When i first did it I used a small copper pipe i bought at home depot...(OUCH).... But I sterilized it and then added boat loads of oil & Ghee so I could get it in me. I do not recommend that method. Later on My brother Tao discovered you could get medical supplies catheters for like $2.00 each. So that is the best way to go to be honest with you. They are already sterilized. To do that I just let it all sit in a mixture of peroxide & alcohol. Then I add some oil or ghee to lubricate it and then you just put it in little by little till it gets to the bladder. Careful in the bladder do not FORCE you could fuck yourself up badly if you do. as tube is going in I actually I blow a little into the catheter to help the tube go in. Mind you blow gently do NOT EVER FORCE. It also helps if you get one of those little kid nasal cleaner squishy rubber things and fill it with some peroxide and water and squirt that into your penis a few times to clean and open the channel. This may sting a bit but will not kill you. All of this does desensitize you a bit but you will not loose sexual feeling. It just sort of makes your dick tough like if you did push up on your knuckles. Again NEVER EVER EVER FORCE. Once the tube is in you can practice some Uddiyana Bandhas, Nabhi Mudra, Ashwini Mudra, Nauli Kriya. Madhyama Nauli Mudra. Once you understand the "channel" then you just follow it mentally you do not need the tube any more. This & the Big draw will do wonders in the sack for you and your loved one. Just remember one thing as Dr. Morris taught me about energy...... If you take once Give back twice..... This way you do not drain your lovers. Anyhow if you are scared of this stuff DO NOT BOTHER. If you do not know Nauli, uddiyana bandha, mula bandha, ashwini mudra, etc DO NOT BOTHER doing Vajroli Mudra. Learn the basics first then go through a harder step. When I began Vajroli Mudra I was already doing 1 hour of Shirshasana a day & 500 Nauli Kriyas a day with 10 to 18 rotations per side. If you think you are ready for vajroli then make sure you are CLEAN and your gear is CLEAN and your tools are CLEAN. Once you know the inner mudras you do not need apparatus. Also the real stuff is energetical not physical. I or Tao Semko can train you to get to that point if need be most of that stuff is found in umaatantra.com Peace Santiago Dobles vajroli mudra it discusses the whole idea of putting a catheter to the bladder and sucking up fluids etc but what shocks me is the apparent ultimate goal of this. with progress (i'm assuming at the very least it takes a year to become proficient at this) you insert larger and larger catheters I can show you how to do this. I did this for years as did Tao Semko. Its good, but to be honest with you its not needed. Better to learn Uddiyana Bandha & Nauli Kriya & shirshasana & Tummo if you want to transmute Sexual fluids. Damn I really tried to get away from the forum to get my work done : ) Ok I am heading out again i have some meditations to do. ~~~~~ There is a true story that was told to me by a friend from Java about one pendekar who fought another one in Banten. Basically one guy kicked the shit out of the other one. And bragged he was the best thing since sliced bread. Well the next morning he died of strange heart attack while sleeping. Meanwhile the other pendekar lived a very long life unscathed from the ass whoopin he recieved. they asked him how he managed to be beaten and yet still kill the pendekar that physically kicked his ass he said I just put it all (all outcomes) in the hands of ALLAH. This is ILMU BATIN. Glenn used to say "Let the Universe Decide" That is NINPO. ~~~~~ Exactly I believe as Dr. Glenn Morris & my Silat Gurus have taught me......LEARN BOTH. Don't the Jedi also do both??? I train equally my Internal aspects (healing,Ilmu Batin tenaga dalam, Hoshin Ninpo etc) & my physical combat aspects (Pencak Silat & Hoshin & Internal MA.) With that said when I work as bodygaurd or have to go out at night with my kids or wife my Glock is not too far away from my dan tien either. I also always have a blade on me razor sharp. I have no doubt in my skills but you still need to cover ALL your bases. You need to if you want to survive the real world. why do Jedi carry lightsabers or shoot laser guns? Can't they just use the force? I'll tell you this much when i have seen & been in instances where the shit hit the fan as a body guard I was glad I had my internal & external skills BOTH saved my life and that of my clients. Exactly You need both. YIN & YANG . That is why I do both. There is nothing like getting the shit kicked out of you both physically & internally at the same time! LORD HAVE MERCY GOD DAMN THAT SHIT HURTS! Do not be surprised if you shit & piss wrong for a week or 2. When that happens to you, you realize its better to have both than to just do the asswhoopin alone. Also you need the 3rd element or component which is the art of healing. ~~~~~ QUOTE(mjjbecker @ Jul 3 2008, 07:32 PM) Craig makes an interesting point about intent. I recall Kostas met a teacher in Indonesia who claimed he could not be hit. Kostas clocked him one and KO'ed the guy-at said teachers invitation. Kostas is someone who knows a lot about intent-and fighting. To get that stuff to work you have to off set the attacker emotionally or "transmute" the situation. Now at the Highest level it works no matter what but see that power is not given freely & it takes a saint to be the carry of it. There are folks that are capable. But they are rare. And to get that power is not at all the training one would believe but PURE bhakti or Devotion to the creator & a lot of fasting etc. ~~~~~~ QUOTE(mjjbecker @ Jul 3 2008, 07:32 PM) Best, Mike Psychopaths. There are people out there that could kill you and not have their pulse rate rise. Such people are documented and have been studied. Not nice... very true Mike very true. that is why you need the internal to know what is going on in the aura, and seek out the subtle vibrations to know what the person is truly hiding etc. Psionics, Hoshin ninpo : ) , Ilmu Batin or what ever you want to call it : ) I always think its not XMEN stuff its more like it "buys" you extra time to survive. That alone is worth its entrance fee to study it. Peace & God Bless, Santiago ~~~~~~~~ Well My Bon Po LAMA explained to me that the secret practices in TIBET came from Ancient PERSIA ancient and was kept hidden in tibet. Also My indonesian teachers say it was also Ancient persian/ Egypt hidden in Indonesia... Now historically ATISHA brought tantric magical practices to Tibet via the silk road. so that makes sense. A lot of OLD Bon resembles mystical sufisim which that in tern is old EGYPTIAN mysticism. Glenn used to say it all goes back to the SHAMANS. We actually use both flows as is down in Bon po & most Shamanic practices. ~~~~~ the last group I had in my house, 7 out 10 folks are now going through actual Kundalini. It started for them at the seminar and got more intense after 30 days. If you follow the steps it works. If you do not do any of it, it wont do shit for you. It worked for Glenn, myself and all who have actually practiced. I have had some students that have opened Kundalini immediately or with in the 2nd day. I have had others that never practiced but still got some bennifits just in the knowing. It is extremely educational experience on many levels. People tend to become more aware, psychic, better ability with their chi (increase & also manipulation), Their sex drive goes up, their body's and health improve, their inner heat increases, and in most of them they have an actual fully open Kundalini which can lead to many physical, emotional, & spiritual benifits. I have never had a negative only that they wished they could KAP every day with me. `~~~~~ i was once arrested for meditating in lotus pose next to a Borders music & Cafe store in Coconut Grove when i was 19 doing the same stupid shit Drew does now.... Better to be more ninja about your practices in public. The USA as a whole is not too accepting of energy workers, yogis, etc. ~~~ Well there's a lot of "drew" comments and questions but people seem to forget that the ability to see white light around people is from what the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk calls: I teach people how to do this in 5 minutes. It requires a "soft Focus" and an ability to relax & use your ajna chakra. People have been viewing auras for centuries and it again has nothing to do with Lotus pose fasting etc. Sure those things can give you side effects but it can be shown and accessedwith out much effort once you know. Pull what energy? your clients? or the person you are doing healing on? What if they have Tumor in brain? What you are not allowed to clean the Crown Chakra? Please be specific here cause sounds like there is something missing or OFF. QUOTE(drew hempel @ Jul 11 2008, 02:53 PM) So Santiago is correct that these "O at a Ds" are essentially just tension relievers -- yet still a long ways away from the typical modern male abilities in exchange with females. Also it should be noted that the vagus nerve ALSO transduces the anerobic bacteria along with the serotonin. So this energy can go through walls, floors and as far as the eyes can see, etc., but in order to get out of the pineal gland the brain also fills up with not just serotonin but also the smelly crap. It's what I call "full body digestion." Maybe it's why tantriks eat shit. haha. My diet is ghetto grunge so I just eat a lot of garlic and use soap. I plan to switch my saponin source from soap to spinach when I get some "money." After I did my 8 day bigu fast (on just half a glass of water!) I switched to a meat diet; was eating out of dumpsters; then fast-food and recently switched to a sardine diet. I had been vegetarian for 15 years so I'm slowly making my way back. haha. It is not difficult at all to connect with females or any being and exchange energy. Again it is not something that comes from YEARS of doing Lotus. I can show you in 5 minutes how to do it. It all ready happens on a small scale as we interact with the world & its beings. If you know how to circulate chi & breath properly you can exchange energy with ANYONE or anything. Now you better have a strong tummo or transmutation otherwise you may accuire "new" things and not always clean or good. People can have unseen attachments that like to feed on people with energy especially those that do not know how to protect against this. When you circulate chi you are also circulating the karmas and the subtle information so you hve to be careful and its not something you do just to do it or for the pleasure or the power. Better to circulate with the Universe and let the universe decide how your chi is used. We used to give women orgasm on the spot with Dr>morris and I playing around with chi circulations in public but not telling the ladies. It is VERY fun but again I must caution you you are also circulating karma, and both good & the bad so you better know what you are doing. It opens a lot of things and maybe that person is not meant to open up so fast yt..so again you have to be considerate. LET THE UNIVERSE DECIDE . I could give shaktipat to a lot of people But I let the creator tell me who. Its not something you play around with like a toy. At first you do cause its exciting but this is normal everyone goes through that little kid stage. Eventually you mature energetically. I will only exchange with people if I am doing Tong len or some form of transmutation for them if they can't do it for themselves. Or if the environment is bad or I sense somethiung bad about to happen i will do this to transmute so things go "smoother". But again its not something you do ALL the time. You mess with Karma on a big level so you have to know when to and when not to. Part of the path is also knowing when to step back and let things Be. I also exchange with My KAP & Silat students so they learn faster. Take once Give back twice.... That is the best advice i can give you so YOU DO NOT ENDUP OWING ANY UNSEEN KARMA that can creep up on you when you least expect it. QUOTE(drew hempel @ Jul 11 2008, 02:53 PM) I sit in full-lotus where ever -- I often go to this evangelical Christian drop-in center and have O at a Ds with the females there as well. Having "O at a Ds" with my mom, sisters and neice is a bit taboo but I just sit in full-lotus and the energy flows. Electromagnetic energy out and suck in by the females, electrochemical out of the females and sucked in by the full-lotus. Last time I sat in full-lotus in the back seat of my parent's car and my mom was in front of me. We had a couple O at a Ds and then she gave me $40. haha. Drew you should stare into a mirror with a candle to see who also is enjoying this practice of yours...do not be surprised to find you have some attachments. Border line Vampiric & some that are part of the Hungry Ghost realm... Peace and come play some day. My training ground is open. Peace Santiago ~~~~ www.umaatantra.com www.doblesinstitute.com ~~~~

Seekeroftruth, Ratu Bagus... that's it, thanks! Here are some youtube vids on him: http://video.google.com/videosearch?source...4&ct=title# Spirit Ape, if there's a link to your system/lineage/etc do share! Vajrasattva, thanks for the clarification! Seekeroftruth isn't off the hook yet! Your pal, Yoda

Thanks Cat! ~~~ I agree that Starjumper is inspired by the wish to protect his friends. The irony, of course, is that Starjumper's detractions are what makes Kunlun seem sexier than it really is and both sides are grateful to bypass that pesky chop wood carry water thing. For this reason, I was a little concerned about the two of them meeting. Upon further reflection, I'm sure that our reindeer games will make it through all this somehow. Yoda

When I was reading Shaking Medicine the description of the San arrows and thorns peircing, heating, cooling, magnetizing, moving, clustering in the shaker's body reminded me a lot of what I have read about the Egyptian philosophy on one's inner rods of power. Their discussion has strong overlaps with the chakra system, but instead of the linear snakey continuity running from the bottom to top chakra, the rods and arrows philosophy seems to have a more random/weirdness functionality where the rods/arrows can move around in disjointed ways and cluster up in a particular places, etc. It sounds like one's own rods and arrows can be used to activate rods and arrows in others as well. My thoughts are sketchy at best... could be totally wrong. Just wanted to stub it in case anyone has any expertise here.

Freeform, good point about sketchiness. I've heard fuzzy logic as a phrase before too. Kenyon's Hathor Material has a chapter on the inner rods. While I wouldn't say the rods are a 'must have' by any means, I use them daily. Less strong and more easy going than Red Phoenix but a somewhat similar effect for the star consciousness one. How are your noble gas thingies? Your pal, Yoda

Winpro, When it comes to doubt and negativity, I consider myself proudly self sufficient. After my first seminar I was torn between doing two incompatible systems so that was the source for my mixed energies... didn't want to leave either so there were doubts there. Aside from that, I consider myself extremely porous to the energies of others whether negative or positive. Beyond that, I consider whatever energies I encounter on the outside to simply reflect whatever is going on inside the green zone. But point well taken and I'll definitely consider what you've said. Your pal, Yoda