Yoda

Great thread! Thanks mgd for adding that! I am just stuck on the belief that spontaneous systems are all pretty much the same shamanistic thing whatever the religion, teacher, philosophy, era etc.

Fiz, Welcome to taobums! Yours, Yoda

Now with modern transportation, I doubt there's any reason to practice it aside of just for kicks.

just as a supplement, but I'm sure you can score it straight up which would be funner.

I'm glad we'll be scoring some reviews on this system soon!

Scotty, I have a better picture of where you are coming from now. Sorry Kunlun hasn't worked out but I agree with you that the whole "detoxing/purifying" thing is a bum steer for the most part. A practice should make you feel better with improved health quickly and if it doesn't then ditch it immediately. I think that was the problem with the guy in the story... he ignored the beginnings of problems with his cultivation practice until they really got out of hand. I'm glad he found a system that worked for him in time. It's cool that you are still interested in spontaneous motion practices, I'll be interested in how that pans out. (I can't get past the thought that any one spontaneous motion system is essentially like any other using the downward flow energy, but I've only tried one so I could well be wrong.) Also, I wonder if you had learned Kunlun from Jenny instead of Max if you'd be doing better with the practice as you'd have different mental associations with it? In any case, I'm glad you are catching this issue early on and taking action. Your pal, Yoda

Well tea is really good for you, so maybe just look at it that it has a net positive effect and take some kelp to counteract... or just nuke it.

great thread, thanks!! http://drjilltaylor.com/ is a good source of more interviews etc.

I think that there is a lot of fear mongering about spirituality in the modern world both amongst the religious and non religious people. Everyone thinks horror flick. No wonder we are so croakaphobic.

Scotty, Thanks for pointing that out. I enjoyed it! Here is the essence of it: "There are two kinds of spirits in the spiritual world. One is the evil spirit, which comes from the devil, or Satan. When you practiced qigong, you were filled with evil spirits. In contrast is the Holy Spirit, who comes from God, who is the King of the universe. Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit. The essences of these two spirits are totally different and completely opposite to each other." My rational knowledge was much clearer now. I suddenly realized what I had done before: "Is it that I worked for the devil before?" He laughed. "Yes. And you have paid a miserable price for it. But all has passed. Tomorrow is a new day." Yes. How beautiful! A new life had begun. "Let us pray," he reminded me. "Yes, let us pray."

I consider karma as intention and merit as having good intention.

Chin up, Cat! You've got cat class and you've got Cat styyyyle... Your pal, Yoda

a pal just emailed me a recommendation to check out this book by Michael Brown. Thanks for any reviews!

thanks SV! The same friend recommended checking out this summary: haven't done so yet.

cool!

Karen, Thanks for cracking the 'retained glycerin' case! Dr B's here I come! Also, I do have some bioplasma. I forgot why I bought it, but I'll start taking it in any case. Your pal, Kyle

Sounds good! Keep us posted! Your pal, Yoda

Karen, On the dental care front, what do you think of that retained glycerin thing in Dr B's liquid soap? I was told to stay away from all liquid soap and clear bar soap b/c of the glycerin but Dr. B's liquid peppermint is otherwise the way to go. Your pal, Yoda

After reading Winpro's ideas on all this, I started taking potassium iodide and/or kelp regularly. From what I can tell, 1.2 mg of iodine/day is the average amount in the Japan. Apparently the 13.8 mg number is incorrect as is mentioned : http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IS...ag=artBody;col1 the article also mentions that iodine removes fluoride from the body. ~~~ Just wanted to repost some stuff here in case anyone is just tuning in: So there's not *that* much science here, but I'm not going to wait another 20 years to see how it goes! Cool about brain sand, huh? The wiki on the pineal hints at possible spiritual dimensions of having a healthy pineal too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland Google keywords like pineal, fluoride, iodine, kelp for more info. Here's a good site: http://www.slweb.org/luke-1997.html "When Luke found out that the pineal gland - a little gland in the center of the brain, responsible for a very large range of regulating activities (it produces serotonin and melatonin) -was also a calcifying tissue, like the teeth and the bones, she hypothesized it would concentrate fluoride to very high levels. The gland is not protected by the blood brain barrier and has a very high perfusion rate of blood, second only to the kidney. Luke had 11 cadavers analyzed in the UK. As she predicted she found astronomically high levels of fluoride in the calcium hydroxy apatite crystals produced by the gland. The average was 9000 ppm and went as high as 21,000 in one case. These levels are at, or higher, than fluoride levels in the bones of people suffering from skeletal fluorosis. It is these findings which have just been published. It is the ramifications of these findings which have yet to be published. In the second half of her work she treated animals (Mongolian gerbils) with fluoride at a crack pineal gland research unit at the University of Surrey, UK (so there is no question about the quality of this work). She found that melatonin production (as measured by the concentration of a melatonin metabolite in the urine) was lower in the animals treated with high fluoride levels compared with those treated with low levels. Luke hypothesizes that one of the four enzymes needed to convert the amino acid tryptophan (from the diet) into melatonin is being inhibited by fluoride. It could be one of the two enzymes which convert tryptophan to serotonin or one of the two which convert serotonin to melatonin. Significance? Huge. Melatonin is reponsible for regulating all kinds of activities and there is a vast amount of work investigating its possible roles in aging, cancer and many other life processes. The one activity that Luke is particularly interested in is the onset of puberty. The highest levels of melatonin ( produced only at night) is generated in young children. It is thought that it is the fall of these melatonin levels which acts like a biological clock and triggers the onset of puberty. In her gerbil study she found that the high fluoride treated animals were reaching puberty earlier than the low fluoride ones. We know from recent studies - and considerable press coverage - that young girls are reaching puberty earlier and earlier in the US. Luke is not saying that fluoride (or fluoridation) is the cause but her work waves a very worrying red flag. Fluoride's role in earlier puberty needs more thorough investigation. Of an interesting historical note, in the Newburgh versus Kingston fluoridation trial (1945-1955), it was found that the girls in fluoridated Newburgh were reaching menstruation, on average, five months earlier than the girls in unfluoridated Kingston, but the result was not thought to be significant at the time (Schlessinger et al, 1956). When one considers the seriousness of a possible interference by fluoride on a growing child's pineal gland (and for that matter, elderly pineal glands) it underlines the recklessness of fluoridation. The precautionary principle would say, as would basic common sense, that you don't take these kind of risks with our children for a benefit which, at best, amounts to 0.6 tooth surfaces out of 128 tooth surfaces in a child's mouth (Brunelle and Carlos, 1990, Table 6)." ~~~ So the age of puberty in Japanese girls (only scientific interests here I can assure you ) apparently has dropped from 16 to 12 years of age. Likely due to diet. Is this due to improvements in diet or a gradual decline of iodine in their diet??? Also, given different levels of iodine consumption, it makes sense that USA girls are younger when they get to puberty. ~~~ Here's a dosage opinion from pubmed: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender...mp;blobtype=pdf

way cool thread!! While I haven't tried other techniques aside from Kunlun, I strongly suspect that they are all essentially the same energy. Now that I've had more exposure to Kunlun, I can give a stronger recommendation for "Shaking Medicine" by Keeney. He really does a great job unpacking all of this and is the best single overview of the territory. I look forward to hearing more about people's Shuichuan experiences! Craig and Scott, I'd love to be able to do Kunlun without moving and I know that is a natural development down the road but if the Shuichuan technique can make that happen sooner let me know. Your pal, Yoda (for anyone just tuning in, there is debate as to whether spontaneous chikung is compatible with kundalini and other practices, so just keep that in mind.) Btw, I was reading in Shaking Medicine (paraphrased): had the Shakers known about the Bushman pump, they would have taken their practice up another whole notch. I am of the opinion that new spontaneous movements will just arise when one is ready. Keeney seems to suggest that if they had known this one move, they could have gone further with their practice. Anyone know what the bushman pump looks like? (for anyone just tuning in, Yoda ain't right... you are supposed to just let the process unfold naturally on its own time.)

Winpro07, Do you have any feel for the maximum safe dosage of iodine? Your pal, Kyle

Brother Charles!! I used to dog those tapes! Whatever became of him?

Maybe it's just me but it seems like even the glass I drink out of changes the taste and energy of water.

nice! Vortex, speaking of cats, a friend of mine was visiting a cousin in view of Mt Kailash in northern India many years ago and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. While she was sitting on the can, she realized that just on the other side of the large window pane three feet away from her was a full grown tiger. She was still young enough to simply enjoy staring at each other.