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Where taoism and bushmen shamanic practices sometimes differ is this idea of emptiness/mindfulness and thinking being more important than say the FEELING of love and joy. When in a state of feeling love or joy or appreciation one automatically has thoughts that are loving, joyous or appreciative and this is wisdom

taoism has equal validity and worth though in that there are two sides to the same coin, the effort of trying to be positive both have there place i guess..

Very often one might feel rebellious towards social structures such as capitalism/communism etc but this could be the case everywhere, many ancient mystics probably had to contend with a lot worse. Fighting the system is not going with the flow of nature, is trying to stand as an island instead of going with the current, causes stress, effort, resistance,doing. Trying to fight social conditioning instead of not intefering with it..hmmm...yang and yang or yang and yin...

also if there is such a thing as social calibration and acting normally then to completely ignore that and do whatever you want has consequences which you may or may not like

to silas last point was when i see tv/newspapers it invokes resistance lol was my point Im pretty drunk on chi right now, epiphanies are is the rebellion coming from a place of hate, isolation, fear, powerlessness and is it a hateful, angry rebbellion or is the rebellion coming from a place of love, joy and celebration and a rebellion of love joy and celebration

listened to drumming/reggae/psychadelic music whilst in garden, barefoot, shaking, spontaneous movement concentrating on feelings such as loving everything, appreciation, joy and being in heaven...this whole thread makes no sense currently only writing this in logical linear way cos im trying haha

I like the posts... taoism says Try to heal and you lay the way for disharmony Do you think you can improve the world? I dont think it can be done. Also trying to make someone like us is kind of dysfunctional too as agesage mentions I think there is also some natural urge to resist certain messages/institutions so resisting your natural urge is also against the flow and yes in a way society doesnt exist but in a way it does as well just like saying a computer isnt a computer, it kind of is, although good point to keep in mind.

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Well yeh obviously dont be an idiot..lol haha Im just referring to the psychology of how that takes place..can this take place in a harmonious manner that doesnt cause self harm and stress? Because I find I often have this rebellious attitude and it makes me feel isolated, I feel like I have to fight the whole world (nature) which is a big pressure and stress and not very in the flow. So I guess...nature will do its thing which includes me of course.. open to as much discussion as required..lol

yeh thanks gerard

Naturally means to be in the moment, you cannot control the past, future or even that much control over the now.

I agree, interesting perspective. Another counter perspective lol... is that there are different levels of going with the flow, that could mean going with the flow of your thoughts, or going with the flow of reality.. hmm thinking is boggle boggling shake

Never think of a pink elephant or pink elephants

I think the main point is effort..trying to heal is like saying you are bad and faulty and kind of getting in the way of nature which does not hurry yet everything is done. You are also nature, so if you do something naturally without too much effort this is best. Trying to heal others may make them resentful towards you, aggressive, feel attacked because you are calling them faulty accidentally.. I do see your point though. I make this mistake a lot. lol

Well I could describe the dangers and philosophies as to how dangerous it would be to think of pink elephants but wouldnt that make everyone think of more pink elephants

is gaining muscle bad for qigong and energy flow?

Normally suffering comes and I try to intefere and be clever, but for some reason it came and I was just like ok thats part of nature, I dont know if its good or bad and let it be, feels empowering letting nature take its own course.

or absolutely nothing.

lol I was attempting to prove something..by trying not to think of pink elephants you would conjure up images of pink elephants automatically, most likely one would never have thought of a pink elephant until one tried not to think of it. but anyways taoism says dont make any effort, by trying to heal, you lay the foundation for disharmony, so im still learning by trying to heal others you lay the foundation for disharmony. but I think I posted this thread without trying lol

and life is a spontaneous movement, is there such a thing as bad..

oh so this is like one of those things were you cant define reality by thinking about it and by trying to find the answer you lose the answer...or was i asking anything i dont know..

individual exists or doesnt exist i cant say 100% that there are no individuals.

drumming a tool shamans use to enter now, science says true, alpha waves produced, alpha waves no stress, if science says true must be true, if science doubts it must not be true, all respekta sciencem right and left hemisphere balanced, anyway love the drums

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