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Is this really new age or extremely wise? All the shamanistic traditions emphasise the importance of getting in touch with the soul, eg playing music, dancing etc

Reading more on this sufis are very familiar with fasting, chanting, working with breath, contemplation of sacred geomtetry, morality.. It almost seems better than most other stuff I look at

"grows through love, abandons the ego, finds the truth and arrives at perfect" similar to my own experiences opening the heart then emptiness

Teachings A page of a copy circa 1503 of theDiwan-e Shams-e Tabriz-i. The general theme of Rumi's thought, like that of other mystic and Sufi poets of Persian literature, is essentially that of the concept of tawhid — union with his beloved (the primal root) from which/whom he has been cut off and become aloof — and his longing and desire to restore it. The Masnavi weaves fables, scenes from everyday life, Qur'anic revelations and exegesis, and metaphysics into a vast and intricate tapestry.[40] In the East, it is said of him that he was "not a prophet — but surely, he has brought a scripture".[this quote needs a citation] Rumi believed passionately in the use of music, poetry and dance as a path for reaching God. For Rumi, music helped devotees to focus their whole being on the divine and to do this so intensely that the soul was both destroyed and resurrected. It was from these ideas that the practice of whirling Dervishes developed into a ritual form. His teachings became the base for the order of the Mevlevi which his son Sultan Walad organized. Rumi encouraged Sama, listening to music and turning or doing the sacred dance. In the Mevlevi tradition, samāʿ represents a mystical journey of spiritual ascent through mind and love to the Perfect One. In this journey, the seeker symbolically turns towards the truth, grows through love, abandons the ego, finds the truth and arrives at the Perfect. The seeker then returns from this spiritual journey, with greater maturity, to love and to be of service to the whole of creation without discrimination with regard to beliefs, races, classes and nations. In other verses in the Masnavi, Rumi describes in detail the universal message of love: The lover’s cause is separate from all other causes

It also kind of makes one think why do people have feelings? If souls come to learn lessons on earth then wouldnt becoming enlightened and spending all ones life empty be sort of against the point? I dont know

Just to add though Ive also contemplated the dreamlike reality of existence, trust, playfulness, "Who am I?" during spontaneous movements and it was equally powerful. So am I soul or nothing or both?

Was doing spontaneous movement with a strong emphasis on feeling self love, forgiveness, kindness, acceptance, friendship, celebration etc kind of like hipononop (however you spell it) and moving or like the bushmen do spontaneous movement focusing on good feelings instead of emptiness. I have had very profound experiences spontaneously moving/shaking/dancing to music, connecting to good feelings. In fact such strong experiences it gives me a certainty that I have little need to post on here if I stick to that. The Aboriginals would make dot art, play music, the native americans the same etc etc

Lately my diet is slowly getting bit by bit better and better Like in terms of having healthy choices for lunch breakfast dinner etc But at the same time I get a feeling I need very little food which is against ideas of eating, which I find slightly strange to deal with. I find if I dont eat too much I am very sensitive and calm, I talk very slow because I can feel emotional distrubances of tension if I rush my talking. But as soon as I eat too much I lose that sensitivity. SO yeh my "question" is What is a good baseline to drop food usage to, I dont want to overdo it cos it scares me

I can get into the zen mind easily somedays when I pay a bit more attention to it or whatever. And I noticed I can get into that state of no mind during sleep so awareness during sleep, I used to do this during sleeping Qigong with awareness on lower dan tien. However last time this happened I started seeing lots of flashes of light over my third eye and feeling tense like im about to take off, and started getting a strong fear as if something bad was going to happen. Is this fear of leaving the body/astral projection? Is this to be overcome?

Spoontaneous movements is that the soul or the tao

How can you differentiate between expressing from god/tao/universe and expressing from the soul?

So the thoughts "I want to express the soul" "I want to do that", "I want to do that" is part of the universe, part of everything... But If form is void and void is form then ... well hmm Is it even possible to express the universe and not the soul, the soul is the vehicle right? arhhh brain freeze lol

So Tao is what one should operate from, the intelligence of everything instead of the intelligence of the "soul" (past/future life memories) So trying to express the intelligence of the soul (past/future life memories) is still egoic..

or soul is part of everything and everything is who you are...hmm

So one is not even the soul..past/future life memories

If you are just empty/ timeless, bodiless/thoughtless what about intuition and going with the flow/wu wei You dont just sit in the corner of your room in your emptiness for your whole life on earth So the soul is part of who one is?

Yh but I mean come on Im not even trying to be rude, it almost seems like another language

Deci Belle I like all your posts. But can I ask that you can write them a little clearer in plainer english, I dont consider myself stupid but its hard to understand all the long words? there are simply no involvements in deliberate effort other than spontaneous adaption within ordinary situations without going along with selfish emotional and psychological momentum. I dont understand this for example. Emptiness and Wuwei?

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Yeh I kind of heard something like 12314511100011001010 and my brain responded with 11?1 lol

I would say I am quite creative/have the flow. I am capable of self expression. I would like to paint random psychadelic stuff sometimes, however I lack skills, and developing skills seems so boring for some things. Expressing onself for a certain reason seems so against expressing oneself, like trying to convey a particular meaning or something. I took a drum class the other day and a didgeridoo class. Anyhoo it would be nice to channel my creative energy maybe towards something remotely productive. Just wondering how do you express yourself? Do you abandon all ideas of useful creativity?

Yes that is an interesting take thanks T.S, I agree with her ideas

Just to add even yesterday someone gave me the advice of hugging a tree for grounding, I havent used it yet, but it may be helpful for you.

Hi T.S Yeh here is some, plus extra ones unrelated you may enjoy got me pretty shocked, sorry to go slightly offtopic but man they were cool lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkfioB6kRss&playnext=1&list=PLF5DB94A402AFB494&feature=results_main http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5EFFZ-W7s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5EFFZ-W7s http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=medium+lisa+williams&oq=medium+lisa&gs_l=youtube-reduced.1.0.0l4.12821.15721.0.17009.11.9.0.2.2.0.81.527.9.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.R6fO43HtSd0 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=The+psychic+twins&oq=The+psychic+twins&gs_l=youtube.3..0l10.22912.28270.0.28560.19.12.1.6.6.0.87.740.12.12.0...0.0...1ac.1.lrRqdAWdrks I see, fair enough, that will clear up now, also thats lower chakra stuff, Im feeling your like me, youve got the upper chakras developed sort of needing balance of lower chakras. So that yoga video will help too, doing spontaneous movements will help as well because you will probably start doing a lot of grounding stuff like squats, lunges, etc. This is pretty good for lower chakras the exercise 15 minutes hopping and 15 minutes still. Spend time in nature/sun. Walking etc The Yuen Method is about the midline going up and down the front/back between the perineum and the collar bone, and noticing the areas blocked when you focus on a specific issue/weakness or you can set the intent and focus on issue. It is very difficult for me to describe. The book is here though well worth buying and I also find this one extremely powerful. Clarity and Chris D seem to be pretty good with the Yuen Method, you may want to PM them, I am just starting out with it have noticed a lot of effects. http://yuenmethod.com/products/basic-level-1-course-manual http://www.amazon.co.uk/Healing-Code-Minutes-Success-Relationship/dp/1444727710 Peace man, Im off for now