Lao Tzu

I think they are not top masters, they are good cheaters.

How do you know it is transduced by the pineal gland?

So what?

Sorry, I do not understand.

With eyes open? Then how do you know the image is seen by your normal eyes or special eyes?

If they are really wrong, my pointing out the mistake should be the primary teaching.

That is the point. You don't know what an immortal looks like.

The problem is none of the teachers really knows the Dao very well. So how can they teach us in a guarantied right way? You can learn an absolute right way for practice Dao. I am an instance.

With your "special eye", you "see" it? How did you know you see it with your normal eyes or special eye? Because you were keeping your normal eyes close?

The books you read are original chinese ones or translated ones? The instruction of a teacher is more clear, but probably is not a right way for practice. Because probably the teachers can not understand the cryptic stuff.

If you learn from a teacher, be more careful...!!!!

In my opinion, any of the modern teacher is teaching mainly for money.

Thank you for your text here. Yes, I think the best way for practice is not to learn from any teacher, but learn from books which were written by immortals.

I prefer use western definition for discuss about "Qigong master". Actually, I don't expect that there is a real Qigong master in the world.

That is normal.

You are absolutely right here. I just want to be aware of some famous Qigong teachers in west, in order to see what they look like.

Thanks, and who is the most famous one?

In China, The QiGong cheaters are much much more successful than him.

It is unbelievable. And it conflicts with the theory of Taoism. A spirit can not be seen. How did you see it? by your normal eyes or special "eys"?

It is so common using QiGong to deceive for money in China. So it is not strange if cheaters do their "job" in western countries.

I think someone is using QiGong to deceive. Maybe not intend to do so...

能不能把手册贴个照片上来？ 我看看是不是骗人的玩意。：）

hehe, I understand your points. But, there are wrong methods, otherwise, the sages should have been shut up. lol

People can know each other better while time passes by.

The fact is that it is almost impossible for us to find a immortal to teach us, so let us use the natural way for practising Dao. That is the best way like the sages told us, and no risk would be there.