chi 2012

My time in the Military has nothing to do with where my level of thinking is at now. People who know me well – know that I am very anti authority by nature and question everything.…..Most people who work for the Military are stuck in Blue to Orange meme level thinking. I’m not looking for any info on conspiracy theories at this time. I said what I needed to say about Spiral Dynamics and maybe some people will look into it. Somehow the topic got switched from Spiral Dynamics to 911 conspiracy theories. I’m sure there are people here that will enjoy your information. Also I’m not for or against any of these theories – leaving me open to all possibilities.

If believing in these theories helps you go within and see "what is" - then more power to you. I just don't see the evidence no matter how much I try - so I find better ways to go within.

The whole agenda behind the conspiracy stuff is red. Get people pissed off and outraged - so the anarchists can reign supreme and have their way - leading to total chaos. I just don't see the evidence. Also I agree with your other post about going within.....Wilber and Spiral Dynamics can be a little to heady - especially if people disagree with it. So, it's not for everyone.

Vortex - I think a 2nd tier courtroom would rule that your evidence you posted above is nothing more than "Red" conspiracy nonsense.

Probably a better example for Blue would be that they would intimidate and punish Red the hardest. A better example for Green could be that England has green gun laws and has fewer gun deaths. 2nd tier could then then find a way to use the blue and green examples without giving up orange.

Blue - The shooters were lacking in values. The problem starts at home. Orange - Government should not take away the right to bear arms. Green - Guns kill people. Some gun control is needed.

Vortex – Ever since Airplanes carried bombs – we’ve all been one push of a button away from being destroyed by our government….But so far it hasn’t happened. The chance of being bombed by a drone is about the same as being gunned down by an F-16 on a commercial flight because the plane has been hijacked and is heading for a nuclear reactor. It could happen – but very unlikely. Also, anybody can play semantics with spiral dynamics and say that Bush is “Red”….Maybe he is. It’s just a map.

This goes back to an older discussion we had – when you were speaking out against the U.S. being a police state – and I asked you if you ever studied Spiral Dynamics – and I think you said you would look into it. I was trying to get you to see that your views were essentially Libertarian orange meme thinking – and you weren’t taking all the first tier meme’s into account. Interdependence between countries does cause tension like you have mentioned – but that is because all countries are still stuck in first tier thinking as of this moment. However there is always going to be the problem with “pockets of red”. And who scares red the most? Blue. A second tier world government would use blue when needed to defeat red. Also since this is a gun thread I think people should be able to better understand the gun issue by using Spiral Dynamics. Blue – People are shooting up schools because they weren’t raised with Christian Values. We need prayer in schools – and the right to stockpile guns. Orange – If the government would get out of the way – the free market would ensure that more people had access to guns – and they would gun down the bad guys – and everything would take care of itself in the end. Green – Guns kill people. Guns should be outlawed. So all of these first tier gun views do have some truths to them – and it takes 2nd tier thinking to consider all these options when making a decision on guns. You can see how politicians like Bush, Paul, and Obama fit into the different meme’s – and which ones are closer to 2nd tier. But bottom line Spiral Dynamics is just another map to try and explain things. You don’t seem to resonate with it….which is fine. Everybody has got to use what works best for them.

Did you ever look into Spiral Dynamics like I mentioned before? Drone bombings make it easier to fight pockets of "red"(Terrorism). Here's Ken Wilber using spiral dynamics to explain the Iraq War - fighting "Red". http://www.integralworld.net/iraq2.html

I quit a full time job on an Air Force base in 2007 - because our base was switching from KC 135's to Predator Drones. I didn't want to spend my days doing busy work waiting for the transition - so I quit. Drones are just another step in Air Force evolution. Nothing to get paranoid about. It's still safe to leave the house and walk outside in the U.S..

I'm wondering if the OP ever got his DVD list?

That's true for me. I can feel all blissed out - but people I have to deal with in my life - take my jokes personally - and get mad about the stupidest stuff. It's hard to find sane people in the real world.

What meditation does Jim do all night? Full Lotus small universe - or something else - or a mixture?

Owledge - are you the young "Thomas" from Germany that was annoying LittlePie when he was getting his emotional liposuction?

How many hours do you sleep at night Dorian? It's 5:53 AM Germany time LOL. I emailed Gary a question once at around 2AM and he responded right back.

Haha PZ Myers. Drew brings out anger blockages in PZ Myers.

Awesome! You're the man Jeff. If you can Jeff - try and do Emotional Lipo while you are there.

Lots of dollars maybe. People seem to do anything for lots of money.

Chunyi Lin said in his Taobums interview "I don't know that anyone, as the state of science stands today, can ever prove without a doubt that qi is real." So, I like what Stig is doing. I think the problem is that modern science has a lack of motivation to find ways to measure and prove this stuff. Henry Ford told his scientists that he wanted a V8 motor....His scientists told him that was impossible - it cant be done. Ford said - "I want it and I will have have it." A year later after many failures the secret was discovered. So there seems to be no motivation whatsoever to prove this stuff in the scientific community. It most likely will never be proven through James Randi - because he only sees and believes - what he wants to see and believe.

There's a Zen Buddhist guy I follow named Brad Warner. He's heterosexual - but after doing intense Zazen for many years he started having a few Homosexual feelings that would come out. His conclusion after that - is that straight people are mostly heterosexual and gay people are mostly homosexual.

Last year I listened to a recording of one of Jim Nance's talks. He was guiding the listeners through a guided meditation. I started to get really hot and agitated. I was thinking that my computer was giving off too many EMF's - so I got mad at the computer and quit the meditation.....A few weeks later it occurred to me that even though I was listening to a recording - he was giving out a transmission and that is why i started to heat up so much. So, I learned that energy transmissions feel the same even if it is recorded.

You should go ahead and fill out your James Randi challenge application now...In a few years you will be famous and 1 million dollars richer with your video of you jinging Randi through windows.........

That's awesome. You now are one step closer to enlightenment.

The last 4 days I've been sitting Zazen for for 20 minutes a day - in addition to my daily 1 to 2 hours of Spring Forest Qigong. I like the Zazen. My mind is very quiet when I do it. But I also like my qigong exercises and meditations. When I sit Small Universe my mind is nosier - but I feel the health benefits - like my stomach making noises - because I probably have blockages in there. So now I am confused. I thought I would do Spring Forest Qigong for the rest of my life and take it to a higher level. Now I'm wondering if the Qigong is just a stepping stone to becoming a Zen Buddhist. Does anybody else mix Zazen and Qigong?

I can’t leave home for one day without everything getting all fucked up. or My friends and family ridiculed me for years – for being a space cadet and wanting to go to the moon. Now who’s laughing? or I can’t wait to go on to TaoBums and see who the crazy conspiracy theory people blame this one on….Wait a minute – that won’t work.