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I don't pretend to know anything and this hits the nail on the head for me. This is what has happened to me before ANY practice. It's why I wanted to learn more and to start on the road. And Buddy, I too am very glad you're back. This beginner enjoys your posts but wishes for your sake that you wouldn't need to feel the anger. State your case calmly, it's the best you can do. I'm listening

Yes, that's right, it was supposed to be fortifying originally. Nourishing meat juices, protein for healing I guess? I think the salt's good because you know if you have an upset stomach you have to put salt and sugar in the get the balance back? Electrolytes or something. We buy something called Dioralyte now for that.

Very useful to know Pietro, thank you. Saves me from spending money on something which is less enjoyable than root canal work

I don't want to start talking about it properly before we've all finished the first chunk but am I glad to be through the Transformation from Philosophy to Organised Religion bit. It's good and useful to know but all the unfamiliar language and the dates don't make for the most thrilling reading. I kept thinking of Monty Python's Life of Brian and the People's Front of Judea, "Splitters!" but that's just me being daft. It's probably just the way the Chinese language works but the way it's written 'The Yellow Court Classic of External Images' lends it such gravitas. I mean, this is serious stuff ;-) Eva Wong is a very accessible writer. I'm loving it. I just wish I had read more before I came onto the forum and made a fool of myself by knowing nothing. Looking forward to continuing.

I had a look, Yoda, and found beef tea in 'The Railway Children' and 'The Secret Garden', both very well known children's books here. Actually, I think I should revise the war comment. Meat wouldn't have been so available in the war probably. Pre-war and possibly only for those who could afford to make drinks out of steak.

I am English but I have never had the beef tea mentioned in novels I think it was drunk a lot in past times (maybe in the war?) but now we have this http://www.unilever.co.uk/ourbrands/foods/bovril.asp which can be spread on toast or made into a drink. I quite like it! Recipe! http://www.iofm.net/community/recipes/Drinks/beeftea.htm

Xuesheng's talking about it on the other thread. I seem to be the only person who hasn't read it so can't join in yet. I might have a go at that at the same time as the Eva Wong and then can post if I get my mind blown (as his was.)

I've only been here for 5 minutes and it did seem that some of the posts might have been homophobic. Maybe in the 'red neck' behaviour that you described. Certainly not from you Cat or Taomeow. If it's wearying then it's because you've seen it before. I hadn't. It's all new to me and I wanted to clear it up in my own head. Obviously that's aggravated you, Cat. I would like to be able to ask questions and would like to know where to do that? I learned from the 'man love' thread that there are differing opinions on the yang-yang relationship. Pietro showed me what I needed to know, so now I know.

I don't think it'll be popular I'll read it on my own, s'ok. I'm finding it really hard to find other Taoist books myself though. I looked through the Further Reading sections in the Eva Wong and Livia Kohn's name is coming up a lot but it's hard to find something which will suit everyone.

OK Moderator - that's a good reason not to read it in our book club then. Not relevant enough. Scratch that one!

Yep, sums me up

So, is this the book selection thread? Hahaha! I'm easily confused. Both the books mentioned so far are great, I'd be happy with either, but if you want us to give a suggestion of our own to give a wider choice I would put forward 'The Tao of Physics' by Fritjof Capra because it looks interesting but I might need help to understand it. If this is posted in the wrong place, give me a yell.

It is something I've thought about a bit. I can see the huge problem with wanting to be authentic but with us having entirely different ethics now. To be honest, I'm not sure that authentic is always the way to go. Just because something was done a few thousand years ago, doesn't make it the best. You can go on if you like, I don't mind. I love to learn. I know nothing about methods and masters and I wonder if we sometimes place too much importance on things that we can find on our own. I wonder what 'new age crap' is too? You mean just playing and not doing it according to the original teachings? I'll probably just annoy you because I don't know enough to argue yet By the way, I did overreact about the names that were put up. I think it was just the drawing attention to them that worried me.

No, my ass feels fine, thanks. That was a very helpful thread and I can see now that there are plenty of people on here who aren't homophobes, which makes me more comfortable.

I'm a beginner and probably about to get my ass kicked but I've found the TTC profound and want to try to live by it, I teach myself Chi Kung for my health and I will be reading the Eva Wong book in the bookclub to learn more BUT what is this about somebody not working with someone homosexual? A couple of times on the board lately (when people haven't been worrying about who's taking money from who) I've perceived what looks like homophobia. Can someone explain this to a European woman in her middle years? Also, lists of people's names put up and PMs being made public? It doesn't feel very good in here. I know - tell me to leave, that's ok. I'd just like to understand what's going on because it doesn't look like Taoism.

I know what you mean about that trigger

I feel sorry for the cat so I don't find that film funny but your laughter is really wonderful to hear If I laughed that long I'd definitely be sick

Excellent. If I'm not being too fussy, could you make a new thread as it's still saying that the Taoist Yoga is the first book. If someone new comes in it's going to take a lot of reading on several threads to find this decision. Thanks for the work you're doing

Hi. As far as I know (xuesheng said yesterday) this is the latest. "I don't want things to get too complicated. Here's how I propose we work this out. We currently have 3 possible book suggestions. The floor is open for additional recommendations. On Wednesday, I'll create a poll with no more than 5 selections and we'll vote. We'll close the poll on Saturday and have our selection. In the interim, Pietro's idea of listing your choices of a basic, introductory text on Daosim in order of preference, #1 being the highest, would be a good way to generate the poll options. Does that sound fair? Thanks for all the input, everybody."

You're quite safe Ah, thanks. I had a look round and a couple of people thought that if you had the Urban Warrior one you'd probably read the best one and the others were mostly the same. He used to be on telly here in the UK, very fun to watch.

I'm not following you around Mal, honest Just saw a favourite little book of mine mentioned and had to leap in. I've got a bit confused as to how many books are mentioned in your quote (aren't they all the same one?) but I have this one: BFD's Handbook for the Urban warrior: A Spiritual survival guide. It's very, very easy and most people on here would have left this behind many years ago but for a real beginner it's great fun and really gets you there quickly with some simple exercises. His jokey style makes some people ill but I reckon it has turned a lot of people on to Taoism. It's very 'young' and he's going for hip and trendy but I turn to it when I feel bad and it always helps. Remember, I AM a beginner so I will probably be berated for liking such low level stuff It's far too easy for a bookclub read. He's got a website but you have to pay so I stick with the book.

"Finding the is now of Panama and my self What's the difference" What's the difference? Tao Bum or not Tao Bum, yes, That is the question.

Apologies, I didn't read Xuesheng's post #25 properly. I'll be back later if I have more suggestions for the poll.

Being a noob I've also found your site helpful, thanks for the work you've put in for others. Very Taoist. I imagine, for my amusement, that you are a very thin, bald man and the gorilla is a kind of deep, secret desire for yourself

I vote for Eva Wong, but only because that means I don't have to buy a new book. It's sitting here ready for me.