Hern Heng

Qi is real but is scientific, not hocus pocus. i applaud John Chang to having submitted to demonstrations to be openly views. Harvard is currently conducting research on Buddhist monks who dry a series of wet towels through heating their bodies in meditation. There are a LOT of people who can whoop most MMA fighters. Most of the guys on UFC, WEC, etc are not very. Honestly, in two years most beginners can get that good just by taking Muay Thai and BJJ. Some of the more experienced fighters are very good in MMA, but there are a lot of CMA folks who are better and just not interested in that scene. i should also note that some of the most interesting TUF Seasons 1 and 2 guys DID practice internal methods, Iron Palm, Meditation, Elements Meditation, Yoga, etc. They did not seem like they would be able to fight to the macho guys, but they tore them all up. Qi is just energy. Energy is seamless throughout the Universe. There is no scientific debate about this. There are ultimately just different forms of energy and how it is expressed. When people doubt "Qi" they are doubting - usually - people's ability to master it. There is no scientific debate ABOUT the EXISTENCE of Qi (Breath and Energy literally). Do you have energy? Of course. Do you have breath? Of course. Debate is over. The word means nothing else. Mastering it is another topic. As i said, there is at least one study i know of currently at Harvard: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

No one is suggesting that teaching be free. i am suggesting that costs be realistic AND that they be paid only to LINEAGED teachers OR to those who can otherwise DEMONSTRATE their advertised or insinuated capabilities. Fees to "Contact" people should not exist. i've never heard of such a thing before Sean and David. Paying a beginner who is a student of a man who is himself unverified (in ability and lineage), just to speak about his teacher's abilities is nothing short of insane. But fees are rarely about "weeding" people out. Fees are about paying the bills. Tests weed people out, either tests of character, skills, patience or a combination of these things. Fees do not weed out the sincere as the rich could always have a natural advantage over even the most sincere of poor.

Yes, this sounds great, so why not charge $1 Million USD for training? Why stop at $40,000, $7,000 or $2,800 "Contact Fees" and $250 to read a forum or $300 for a beginning student to speak to someone about their Shrfu? Obviously charging is not unethical, it is the AMOUNT being charged - above and beyond reason - that is unethical. A filtration process would ONLY work if the prices were within reason. The only thing this would filter is the RICH unwilling to pay or the POOR unable to pay. Calling this a filtration process is logically unacceptable.

Paying for TRAINING or for BOOKS, etc is normal. The Mo Pa'i tradition is ABNORMAL in not charging ANYTHING. Paying for "contact" is unheard of. Paying to cover overhead and to make a fair living is normal. ...THIS however, STILL traditionally requires that one be AUTHORIZED to teach and have some proof of this.

i wish you the best as well, i just gotta call bullshit when i smell it i don't foresee being on the West Coast for a bit. If you are within 5 hours or so of me then i'll definitely try to sync up with you. This all poses the greater question though, of why you don't just post these videos (at least clips), if they would in fact answer my questions (and those of others). i remain skeptical, in the extreme, that they do (for this reason).

Give me $2800 USD and i will talk to you about it. They have indeed offered it.

David is offering to teach you low level Qi Leaching techniques. Bai Shi IS hard to obtain. It requires dedication, honor and sincerity. It demands focus and approval without approval-seeking. It requires your seniors and your Shrfu to recognize your attainment (kungfu), and you suitability without you presenting it to them as a request. This has been my experience. That IS harder than buying a book or video, or paying some chump your hard earned money to introduce you to someone who isn't going to really teach you shit (even if HE - not David - might be powerful... that is, no one is going to teach juicy stuff to non-disciples, PERIOD). It is harder but WORTH the effort. i suggest you go the route that all true masters go. Bai Shi is NOT something that involves the government. Whoever told you that is lying.

This is strange that you acknowledge that i am busy and then speak of giving me an hour of your time. My friend, i would indeed be giving you an hour of my time. i cannot see pictures on the phone, and i do not want to spend an hour talking about how amazing David is. If you want to meet, i live in Ohio and regularly teach in Pennsylvania. i will be happy to meet you in any place within region near these locations. If you would like to do so then i will be all too happy to meet you and see this. Moreover, i would like the other issues addressed; though i am less concerned with David's degree (or lack thereof), and more concerned with his attainment of Yin-Yang fusion. If this is the case, i would like to see some evidence of this. If true then what is there to lose? If true then you shut me up forever and i will attest to his skill. Before seeing the John Chang video i would not likely have believed he could do what he can do. Still, Chang neither charged to show that, nor even to heal or teach people (but certainly not to demonstrate). He was helpful to those who challenged him and his attitude was reserved and yet open. David is only closed and yet boastful. Again, you know a tree by its fruits. Beyond that, i would like some evidence of disciple status to Wang, Li-Ping. It is not that he could not be, but it is strange that he would not show evidence of this (and proudly so), if he were. As well, discipleship is not a government issue. David would be the ONLY person i have EVER heard of to get "Official Government Approved Disciple Status" in any Order. Please elaborate on what this means. Still, i will accept to meet with you if you are anywhere reasonably near me. Please let me know.

Thank you for establishing your bias from the outset. This is fine but if you attend a seminar once a year and are a beginner right now then it is likely you will find many difficulties. Proof of a PhD, where obtained, topic of thesis, etc. Proof of discipleship to Chang, Wang or anyone else he is claiming to be a disciple of. Proof of Yin-Yang fusion, i.e. electrogenesis. ...i'll add another: Proof of even having mastered Yang Qi to an extraordinary degree. Yin and Yang is ALWAYS "joined" in the body or there would be no life! What Yin-Yang Kung fusion entails is different (but similar), drawing on the Yin throughout the body, the extraordinary amount of Yang Qi in the Dan T'ien being used to draw in more Yin qi through the body; then drawn and merged together (fused), and stored in the dan t'ien. IF successful, he would be able to do electrogenesis. Either that or you are asking us to take David's word of Chang's! There are plenty of people who "know" John Chang! Thousands of people "know" him! This means NOTHING. This guy who "knows" John Chang is in NO position to evaluate David's level. No, no, i said it is unusual and that John Chang said he had never taught someone to that level. If he had taught David then there would likely be mention of this by a known member of the Mo Pa'i (not just some unnamed guy who "knows" John Chang, as so many do). Let me ask you dude, do you even know John Chang's real name? The argument is NOT about John Chang, it is about David, Sean, Harry, you and your momma. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue by talking about someone legitimate and then acting as this legitimizes David for POSSIBLY having MET him! If he is his student then he can call himself his student and can present proof of it. If not then he should stop trying to legitimize his bullshit teachings by riding the coat tails of Wang. i have seen no mention of him on the Cornel website, nor on any other website. i am in close, daily contact with PhD graduates from Brown and Harvard who have never heard of David (having discussed this with them as recently as last week). As well, it has been established that he is not a PhD, and that he has used the term "Doctor" to refer to an Italian degree that Westerners would mistake for a PhD. There is no debate that what you are engaged in is Left Hand Path. No debate at all. As well, some of the longest living Daoist "immortals" were vegetarians, INCLUDING Li, Ching-Yuen. Maybe they were on to something. Still, your comparison is like a prostitute pointing to married women promising their husband sex (or something particularly kinky), in exchange for a favor. So if a woman is going to use sex to get her man to do something then she might as well be a prostitute, right? This is the logic of saying that if you eat meat then you might as well torture animals and feed of their pain and terror. More unverifiable claims of third party testimony. This seems to be a common theme. i'm sure it was a fun experience for you, but this does not mean that David's claims of personal attainment are AT ALL legitimate.

Actually Sean, this is not true. If you are emailed you will talk long enough to ask for money to talk further. This is something unparalleled with some of the greatest Shrfu i have ever encountered. If he has a PhD then why was it previously stated that he did not? If he has a PhD then where and what was his thesis on? If he has one then he is the ONLY PhD i have heard of who refuses to tell you where his PhD was obtained and what it is on.

Okay, so which is it? Did he obtain a PhD or not.

Half way through the article, but wanted to drop you a line (in case i get diverted), and say that it's a great article. There is unfortunately little written on Xingyiquan in English. Some good stuff, but not much. Keep up the good work.

Well yes and no (believe me, i considered this before posting anything about him)... The problem is that really enigmatic masters always tend to be sort of eccentric and aloof. The thing is that they don't typically charge you shit loads of money to talk to them or to talk to their students. They charge you in working your fucking ass off. If they have a school, expenses, overhead, then you get charged a fee to pay your share. You DO NOT pay $40,000 for a seminar. You DO NOT pay $7000. You MIGHT pay $10,000 for Bai Shi at WU DANG SZU, but even then that's not for a seminar, that's for a lifetime of inner door information. ...AND that's Wu Dang (and again, Bai Shi, not a seminar). You certainly do not pay two dudes down the chain of command to talk to a dude that you are not even sure they have any contact whatsoever with. To illustrate the point: Hi, i'm Hern Heng, i am a disciple of Wang, Li-Ping. He has taught me the inner most secrets. David is just a guy we are using to mislead the stupid and weak minded, to weed out those unworthy of our true teachings. Prove that this is not true. You can't, but still, it is logical that it is not true. In the same way, i can't "prove" that David never went through lineage initiation with Wang, but HE has to prove that he has if he is going to market himself on the basis of this. My posting this (and related), posts here (and there and everywhere if need be), informs people of this (when they were perhaps unaware of HOW things work if you are a Daoist disciple).

How utterly humble of him! ...the only problem is that he keeps advertising himself and charging people money to do nothing. He charges people (as does Sean), a successive (and progressively increasing), number of "Contact Fees" to tell them about seminars and provide them with information that is free to them. He advertises himself, with implied and outrightly falsified (Yin-Yang Kung), claims that he has replicated an impressive level of their power. ...still, he shows nothing. Showing nothing is FINE, as long as you aren't saying publicly that you can do something that you are unwilling to show. If i tell you i can do a certain technique then i better be able to show you if called upon to. If i tell you to come to a seminar where i will teach you techniques then i sure as Hell better be able to show you. If i charge you to introduce you to my Shrfu or Shrye or Shrgong, etc. based on me saying i can do what you have heard they can do, then i sure as holy-shit-motherfucking-hell better be able to show this if called upon. Actually there is a five page long thread that i reposted the link to that does exactly this.

Yes, Chang said that he has never taught someone this and that it is apparently rare to have more than one person per lineage fuse Yin and Yang Qi successfully in a generation under their Shrfu. Left - Center - Right Left hand is concerned with "charging" or progressing in awareness, power, etc (it all boils down to power), via the external illusion of T'aiji Yin-Yang relational construct (an ambiguous, though more explanatory way of saying "the external Universe"). It is concerned with "absorbing" power from others. ...ever watch Heroes? Fun show (not as good as Lost though!). "Sylar" is a clear literary construct of the Left hand path practitioner (i.e. eat the brains of powerful people to absorb their power). Right hand is devotional in nature: you "gain" power through devotion to your chosen ideal (God, Jesus, Buddha, even Huang Di or Laozi, etc). Right hand is more humanitarian in nature, more "Moist" in nature (Mozi was fairly Right hand path oriented in his teachings). There is nothing "wrong" with Right hand path, and most religious saints of extraordinary ability are Right hand path (St. Teresa flying in front of many other nuns on repeated occasions, etc, stigmata, etc). Center is neither, and in a sense "sort of" both (but NOT the sum of the techniques of both). Center absorbs and recirculates; balancing who you draw from and allowing them to balance you. This is exemplified in even modern "Sexual Alchemy" which has its roots in the T'ien Shr. They preached this in reaction to Fang Shr Proto-Daoist alchemists who were Left Hand path oriented and had taken to raping virgins and other practices in their quest to gain power. The Proto-Daoist Left Hand Pathers ultimately lost out (for the most part). Still, this is EXACTLY what David is doing and it is VERY limited and VERY low level (i.e. it can only take you so far, even though progress is initially quick). Center will act in a virtuous manner, but not for the sake of reward, for the sake of it being inherently correct. From here an UNLIMITED source of power is derived, as virtue and power are the same word (de). The Dedaojing (the Mawangdui find informed us that it is not the Daodejing as previously ordered since Wang Bi's commentary), is speaking simultaneously of virtue AND power; this being of such importance that the Dejing comes before the Daojing in the oldest copies.

Yes, sucking Qi from a bull really underlines how pathetically Left Hand Path his practice is. That sort of shit (draining others to empower yourself), has been out of vogue in Daoism since the T'ien Shr basically emerged in reaction to the Left Hand Path deviation of Proto-Daoist Fang Shr (not that fang shr in and of themselves are somehow "un-Daoist") of their era. Daoism purports to be a Middle Path, not the sum of both Right and Left, but something that is neither and in between both methods.

Of course you do Actually, it was my analogy, not my argument. Sarcasm neither hurts nor helps my argument. The argument is about the facts about David which neither you nor Harry, nor Sean are actually disputing as inaccurate. Your argument is called "splitting hairs." The point was that you don't need to BE poisoned to death to get the gist of what being poisoned to death is like. You can say this is not true, but you are in no better position than i to say this (since neither of us have been poisoned to death). i am attacking based on undisputed facts regarding his actions alone and his admission of lack of accomplishment (to the degree he is alluding he is or will be able to impart).

Good to start out early in the morning, preferably at sun rise when your yang qi naturally is high (ala morning erection). Work out without urinating, until the erection has naturally gone down and the "charge" in the urine is worked through the body. Usually do most yang work outs during the day, not past 9ish. It's all relative to the individual and climate though. Full moons are a good time to do more yang work. Meditate mildly (i.e. don't necessarily focus most of your time), after workouts throughout the day (or one). Work outs can be broken up, and not some 2 hour long weight lifting session. You body capitalizes off the work out best when it is about an hour long if it is intensive to the muscles. Feed your body (carbohydrates and protein), right after the work out and do mild meditation. Night time is best for more intensive meditation practices (in part because you are naturally in a more inward, Yin state). Don't wait until you are sleepy though. Meditate when it is night but your mind is still in an active state.

Sure! Martial Arts are just traditionally employed because they are Yang in intent in the first place. You get a boost of yang qi when you competitively spar. Going to the gym and having a good quality protein shake after wards will boost yang qi as well... just in a different way (a way that alchemaically produces muscle change, not as much tendon change, and certainly not as much brain cell and bone marrow change). Still, there are many things that boosted qi can be cultivated to do; marrow, brain, tendons, muscles, stored qi in dan t'ien, etc... The first four primarily involve techniques. The last involves meditation.

No, i actually hated Xingyiquan at first. i say it builds more because i feel a huge boost of Yang qi whenever i practice Xingyiquan. As such, i have taken to practicing it first to warm up, then circulating with T'aijiquan, then moving on to Baguazhang to segway into other, more numerous form work. If i only have time for limited work, then i do the three popular Nei Jia in the aforementioned order. i usually feel as much of a Yang qi boost from Xingyi as i do from the equivalent time engaged in sex (unless over a couple of hours... but alas i hardly have the time for such lengthy bouts of sex these days). So no, no pro-Xingyi bias with me. i actually found it boring when i started. Over time, as internal sensitivity developed i came to appreciate the art as more than just the third of Sun, Lu-T'ang's "Top Three" haha As for "how," this is because of the form of the elements (and the animals based on an element root), and how these relate to the meridians.

It's just not that simple. If i don't want to let it go then i'm under no obligation to let it go. You say that David and Sean are under no obligation to prove that they know anything. That's fine, and i'm under no obligation to stop pulling their cards. You admit Sean can't do anything out of the ordinary. You claim David can but won't say what or YouTube it. This is because the dude can't do shit.

There is no question that physical exercise cultivates qi as long as it does not cross the threshold of injuring the body (in which case it still cultivates, but then also must repair and thus depletes). Traditional Chinese Martial Arts are great (and well known for this). Xingyiquan is the quickest way to build energy with Martial Arts. Baguazhang and T'aijiquan are better for circulating what you build with Xingyiquan (necessary if you wish to utilize what you build).

It's this simple: IF Sean is a disciple of Wang, Li-Ping then he should have something to prove it. If he doesn't then he's not his fucking disciple. Disrespectful my ass

Oh man! i am reaaaally wishing that i had thought of that!

Oh shit, my analogy was off a little. Well shit, i guess i had better give you your money back... Oh yeah, i'm not charging you money to talk to me Truth be told, however, what i had in mind was a poisoning from poison food. i was thinking of along the line of wild edible plants. Thankfully, i have never eaten a poisonous edible plant. You know what? This is because i'm not a moron who thinks i need to taste the fucking plant that i know is poisonous (from it's identifying traits that have cataloged it as poisonous). Nevertheless, i chose the wording poorly (and clearly should have written at least a paragraph of explanatory preface to my analogy!), and for this i am now paying the high price of utter humiliation at your hands. i humbly submit to your astuteness. Now if you can only explain to me how this relates to the legitimacy of David Verdessi then i'll be sold! P.S. Thank you for making my point for me better than i had done myself.