gatito
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You only had one?
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Not quite old enough to be a hippy sadly I've no objection to the use of the sword but the problem is that the sort of indiscriminate slash and burn that I see is not the use of the sword as a scalpel to cut out the root of ignorance but more the sort of willy-waving that I'd expect to see amongst a group of badly parented and hence emotionally-stunted, insecure and fearful Club 18-30 children on holiday in Ibiza.
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I know I thought that this thread might turn into an illustration of internet "buddhism" in action and, so far, it has lived up to that expectation about 90% - 168 posts and innumerable detours and quotes in a thread about a book that hasn't even been published yet. So how valuable is the internet as a tool to discuss Buddhism - which, ultimately, is about an all-inclusive love, the route to which is barred by the sort of attempts to construct an intellectual model of duality (as opposed to deconstucting it) that we see illustrated so clearly? And @ Apech regarding the violence inherent in the book's original premise: - The teachings should be an education (educere) leading out of the darkness of ignorance nto the light of love/happiness/peace.
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QFT Apech
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Thanks for a (reasonably ) serious reply to a serious point Apech. I'll just bookmark this for the time being until I have the time to put together a considered response. In the interim, I trust that eveeryone else who isn't interested in discussing the level of discussion and debate - as opposed to the content - will take it upomn themselves to start threads about their own interests, which have nothing to do with this thread. Thanks in anticipation. Leaving aside any sallies into humour - of course
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Nearly every thread in the Buddhist sub-forum continues to be hijacked by the incessant posting of quotes from other fora (almost inevitably Dharma Wheel, which was destroyed by the constant petty internicine squabbles and bullying - i.e. talking over those who disagreed and eventually banning them) and/or by appeals to so-called authority (i.e. someone from the Tibetan Buddhist priesthood who has hijacked the Dharma themselves for profit and who cannot actually explain their pionts in plain and simple english). I'd also point out that if anyone actually wants to promote obscure points of untranslatable Tibetan "Buddhist" dogma, there's nothing to stop them from starting their own thread to go round and round in ciircles either arguing about or agreeing with whatever this point or these point may be. So, is there anybody who cares to discuss the level of "Buddhist" "debate" and "reasoning" and the violence inherent in the author's apparent assumptions in writing this book, rather than trying to hijack this thread in order to attemopt to promote their own agenda/dogma?
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Interdependent Totality in Buddhadharma
gatito replied to Simple_Jack's topic in Buddhist Textual Studies
OK then. Let's examine this closely without resort to dogma because, as you say, the debate by various sanghas/teachers goes nowhere. What's relevant is the ability to consider these issues deeply for oneself. The metaphor of the sticks is actually part of a teaching method that utilises sublation in order to nullify false beliefs and false concepts that obscure the Truth. Unfortunately, this teaching is widely adopted as dogma rather than as an intermediate step in the annihillation of ignorance of the Truth (avidya). So, coming back to your point that the cone doesn't actually exist, you go on to say that the sticks do actually exist, whereas, they do not - because if they did then they would form the cone that you claim is nonexistent. Therefore dependent origination actually demonstrates that nothing originates (e.g. cone or sticks) One problem with sublation is that each step rests on a previous step and moving to a more advanced step without having sublated the previous teaching leaves the student reliant on a belief - as opposed to the method destroying that belief. Another problem is that you can't mix up the relative and the absolute in this way. In other words, skipping back to say that there is a conventional reality in order to assert that your view about the actual existence of the sticks is a fact actually asserts the existence of the cone. Hope that's clear? -
Interdependent Totality in Buddhadharma
gatito replied to Simple_Jack's topic in Buddhist Textual Studies
In fact, there are no sticks either. -
QFT! (again ) (This is turning out to be a nice thread after all )
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QFT!
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^^^ Yes And, interestingly, it's not a Dzogchen terminology thread However, it does illustrate the point that I am making very nicely indeed
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Nice planes dancing to the rhythm of Jack Savoretti´s song Dreamers
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@ Dreambliss Having looked at the other thread to which you refer, it also occurs to me that these words of Parmenides could be helpful :- In your situation - regarding the appropriate tool for the job, I think that you would find Mindfulness for Beginners by Jon Kabat-Zin to be of immense help - buy it and give it eight weeks of practice every day.
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The clearest perspective on this is your own direct first-hand experience. You would need to investigate your own direct first-hand experience and, unfortunately, Jeff isn't the best person to help you with that. It can take many years to investigate your own beliefs about what's going on and start to rely instead on your own experience instead of what's written in books or on internet forums. Your question: - "What if there is no life after this one? What if there is only this one, physical existance and nothing else afterward? How would that affect being in the present moment?" would be meaningless if there is indeed only the present moment - wouldn't it?
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In need of advices and suggestion about meditation side effects
gatito replied to trollo's topic in Welcome
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Good Luck, Prayers and Happiness to him
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Full article here: - http://www.swamij.com/conversion-violence.htm (www.swamij.com/conversion-violence.htm) It's interesting that Buddhism wasn't given as an example of a non-aggressive religion here and certainly it's not my experience that internet "Buddhism" is non-aggressive. There is, of course a fundamental difference between a set of religious beliefs/misapplied philosophical arguments and the spirituality (direct knowledge) that once lay at the heart of all the main religions.
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^^^ QFT
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I prefer this...
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Ah - "The Stomp" (aka "The Gagging Order" or "The Buddhist Bum's Rush" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bum%27s_rush (://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bum%27s_rush) Pop along to The Dharma Wheel or to eSangha and question the dogma of the ruling "elite" there and I'm sure that they'll teach it to you.
