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(of disorder or conflict) Occurring between citizens of the same country war. Where does your philosophy of no right or wrong come from?

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^ Apathy (A good example of that is the "Fall of Man thread") Governments are just a front for criminal organisations / secret societies... has been that way for ages (in the literal sense) "For the love of money is the root of all evil" They control the left, right and middle and there is too much apathy amongst the masses... so nothing will change, a few individuals every generation will wake up to the game/matrix. A few individuals of those individuals every generation will try to wake their brothers and sisters... with little success. Even if enough are roused "they" have been playing this game for thousands of years... time + experience is against us. So there is only one option? Transcend / meditation / "get the fk out" become Immortal, haha I'll see you on the other side? // I was watching Queen of the Damned the other day... Lestat: A kingdom of corpses? Why? Akasha: Why not? Lestat: This is why you have risen? Akasha: They believe in nothing. Now they are nothing.

civ·il /ˈsivəl/ Adjective Of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters. (of disorder or conflict) Occurring between citizens of the same country. Synonyms civilian - polite - courteous - civic - mannerly That is an odd one

civ·i·li·za·tion /ˌsivələˈzāSHən/ Noun The most advanced stage of human social development and organization. The process by which a society or place reaches this stage. Synonymsculture Perfection is something that can never be attained? Or as say a "master" of any art would say... there is still so much to learn? I am an Idealist I guess.... "we who are aimed" If all one sees is an abyss... well there isn't much point in talking. If you don't believe in anything, what guides you? Where are you going? Every breath is an act of faith.

hu·mane /(h)yo͞oˈmān/ Adjective Having or showing compassion or benevolence. Inflicting the minimum of pain. Synonyms human - humanitarian hu·man /ˈ(h)yo͞omən/ Adjective Of, relating to, or characteristic of people or human beings. Noun A human being, esp. a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien. Synonyms adjective. humane - By definition that is what it is to be human.

You dont see any connection between what I posted and a "fall from grace" kinda thing?

If you are perfect why are you here?

Regarding the "Fall of Man" * "During the reign of Emperor Cheng of the Han, hunters in the Zhongnan Mountains saw a person who wore no clothes, his body covered with black hair. Upon seeing this person, the hunters wanted to pursue and capture him, but the person leapt over gullies and valleys as if in flight, and so could not be overtaken. [but after being surrounded and captured, it was discovered this person was a 200 plus year old woman, who had once been a concubine of Qin Emperor Ziying. When he had surrendered to the 'invaders of the east', she fled into the mountains where she learned to subside on 'the resin and nuts of pines' from an old man. Afterwards, this diet 'enabled [her] to feel neither hunger nor thirst; in winter [she] was not cold, in summer [she] was not hot.'] The hunters took the woman back in. They offered her grain to eat. When she first smelled the stink of grain, she vomited, and only after several days could she tolerate it. After little more than two years of this [diet], her body hair fell out; she turned old and died. Had she not been caught by men, she would have become a transcendent." (Campany 2002) http://thetaobums.com/topic/24484-yoked-to-earth-a-treatise-on-corpse-demons-and-bigu/ This is regarding grains... her diet was vegan. If people are eating fear /pain etc they will become that... as they are eating those hormones, behavior will reflect this? A California prison gave prisoners an option of practicing a vegan diet + a few extra benefits, they had remarkable results... prisoners completely changing their lives (previous page (post #169))

What are you thoughts regarding the prison?

http://suprememastertv.com/ve/?wr_id=131&page=1#v ^ cool video (positives) Spirited Actress & Dancer Tonya Kay: Connecting with Oneself through Raw Veganism (no I am not raw vegan, I guess that is the aim... need to stop making excuses really)

The Animal Abuse-Human Violence Connection http://www.paws.org/human-violence-connection.html /// Vegan Diet Impacts California Prison San Bernardino County, CA — In the late 90’s, amid rising crime rates and finite lockup space, the private prison industry was looking like a pretty lucrative business opportunity for anyone who could take advantage. Having received a dire report from Georgia-based prison design firm Rosser International Inc., San Bernardino County was expecting a shortfall in inmate beds and a doubling of their inmate population by the year 2020. Against this background, the County began accepting bids for a 500-inmate private prison. Terry Mooreland, CEO of Maranatha Private Corrections LLC was among the individuals who bid on the project. There was only one catch. Mooreland’s bid included a stipulation that if he was awarded the bid, inmates serving sentences at his facility would be offered a vegan diet. As fate would have it, Mooreland won the bid and in 1997 began to build what became the Victor Valley Medium Community Correctional Facility in Adelanto, California; which is about 120 miles northeast of Los Angeles. Once operational, this facility saw remarkable results for seven years, before a dispute over inmate phone revenue led the State of California to cancel their contract with Mooreland. It is unbelievable that something as silly as phone revenue could cause a State to end one of the most remarkable prison success programs in the country, where inmates got out and stayed out. At the time, the State of California had a recidivism rate of 95%. This is the percentage of former prisoners who are rearrested. The Victor Valley facility enjoyed a recidivism rate of less than 2%. So, what was the key factor behind this success? A vegan diet. Upon arrival, new inmates attended an orientation where they received two clear choices. They could live on one side of the prison which operated using the standard California Department of Corrections (CDC) guidelines and food menus; or, they could live on the side of the prison operated under the “NEWSTART” program which included a vegan diet, bible studies, job training and anger management. In a video-taped interview obtained by Vegetarian Spotlight, Victor Valley nutrition services coordinator Julianne Aranda explains that “what we eat not only affects us physically, but it affects our mental attitude, our aggressiveness and our ability to make good decisions”. In interview after interview it was clear that the NEWSTART program staff was in agreement that the mind and body must be cleaned up in order for the inmates to achieve positive behavioral changes. Initially, although the State of California was very supportive of the NEWSTART concept, they told Moorland they didn’t believe that even five inmates (of the 500) would accept that kind of a diet. In fact, they told Moorland that inmates would probably “burn the place down before they became vegetarians”. However, once the program was in progress, the opposite became true. On average, 85% of the inmates chose the NEWSTART side while only 15% chose the CDC program. The remarkable behavioral changes could even be seen outside in the prison yard where according to prison officials, nobody “owned” or controlled the yard. Typical lines drawn between blacks, whites, hispanics, gang members and other groups were non existent. On the NEWSTART side, everyone played basketball together and had great fellowship. The CDC side of the house had the same racial divisions experienced at any other prison. In testimonials, inmates assert that the surprisingly good-tasting food led them to feel better, have greater energy, increased stamina and reduced problems with acne. Indeed the effectiveness of a vegan vegetarian diet in rehabilitation has been scientifically validated. Although the State of California apparently preferred to pursue phone revenue over rehabilitated inmates, the success of the Victor Valley facility gives us something to think about. Could this kind of a diet help us in raising our children?

You feel guilty because you are now aware... that your actions are causing great suffering. Granted that specific video is about ritual animal sacrifice (Kosher/ Halal) ... but these are becoming standard practices in a lot of places. + Other methods are less cruel but still unnecessary.

Here is a pretty funny article "Men think eating meat makes them more manly" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2236768/New-study-shows-men-think-eating-steak-burgers-bacon-makes-manly.html

Eating meat is violent, is that not self evident?

Its about awareness...nothing more.

Why does the origin of this sentence matter? "In everything, treat others as you would want them to treat you" There is a lot of wisdom in the Bible. There are some things I disagree with but I won't dismiss the entire thing... regarding a good number of things. Do you have pets? lived with animals before? I remember a comedian... his girlfriend bought a dog, he never had a dog before and resented this thing forced upon him initially... he said no matter how much he tried to dislike the dog it was impossible... being welcomed so joyously, so energetically every time he came home. He and the dog became good friends. Dogs I think are Buddhas. Maybe a Dog would open your heart. I have seen notable changes in behavior towards animals when people have stopped eating meat. + Bonded with animals. I guess you have heard of spirit guides and totems? Reminds me of stories of Buddhas disguising themselves as beggars or animals etc as a way of teaching people. ... / do you really know what you are interacting with? Some native cultures refer to some plants as "Master Teachers" I don't see myself any greater than any other animal. You seem to have this hierarchy with humanity on top? Appearances can be deceiving.

In everything, treat others as you would want them to treat you Says it best I guess.

I am level 0.

It isn't a feeling, it is a delusion... just like your "warm regards" eg: compassion and slaughter = oxymoron You people and your feelings haha me, me, me Can you put yourself aside just for a moment? and watch the video Dao posted. Maybe after that you will have some perspective regarding your feelings.

I don't think the animal cares how grateful you imagine yourself to be... I think it would prefer to be alive... wouldn't you?

I guess given what you have said about him... he would be able to foresee any implications you may cause...if he hasn't said anything himself I guess he isn't concerned.

^ If anyone can watch that last video start to finish and tell me this is the peak of human expression... that this is what it is to be human, that these actions are one of GRACE and truly believe that...I will retire my account.

It appears those more me-orientated seem to find it difficult to believe that other people will actually do things that does not benefit them personally /directly. That people only do things for personal gain as that is how they live their own life / world view + behaviour. So when somebody "sacrifices" something for the greater good... for something beyond themself they think there is some ulterior motive.