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I watched it entirely. If it makes people happy does it really matter? I have met a few Hare Krishna people in the city... very genuine, caring people. I have shared a meal with them also...

Sorry MH... Atheist doesn't mean communist - Communist means atheist though. "A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin The Attitude of the Workers’ Party to ReligionPublished: Proletary, No. 45, May 13 (26), 1909. Published according to the text in Proletary. Source: Lenin Collected Works, Progress Publishers, 1973,Moscow, Volume 15, pp. 402-413. Translated: Andrew Rothstein and Bernard Issacs. Transcription and Markup: R. Cymbala, B. Baggins, D. Walters, and K. Goins. Public Domain: Lenin Internet Archive: marx.org (1996); marxists.org (1999). You may freely copy, distribute, display and perform this work; as well as make derivative and commercial works. Please credit “Marxists Internet Archive” as your source. http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm

Ah... you are right my friend. Ok THAT IS THAT.

hahaha.... I was ready to give it up.... long ago.... ah well

I really don't wish to spend the next 6 months on this... ahahaha All the best on your travels!

I think just to separate the religious and the secular... These are just definitions however... they are both a union.

As I said I have no problem with Civil Union. I think the distinction needs to be made... and would allow for progress. As religious organizations already have a claim to marriage and its meaning. Well I would anyway... Others may see it different and wish to call it differently... All I can do is share my opinion... that is all. But I think it is the balance that would make both parties happy. I guess...

Even drug laws... I would abolish....All of them. As long as the information is out there so people understand what they are doing. No government has the right to tell people what they can and can not do to their own body. Information is all. No government has the right to tell people what they can and can't say also.

Marriage in the traditional church sense? Seems really odd to me considering all the hate Christianity / any religious etc is getting at present. Ive even known atheists to get married in a church, with a priest etc.... @_@ I fail to see the reasoning in this... haha I myself subscribe to no Judaic/ Christian/ Islamic groups... I study many beliefs I try my best to look at all sides objectively. So even for myself I would not demand marriage... I think it best keep it secular if one has no interest / investment / practice with religious traditions. So civil union I see no problem with. Though again I see little need for the government to affirm my feelings. If I and my partner agree upon marriage... one simply says...We are married! and that is that. Edit: I think traditionally there was some pretty esoteric things regarding marriage... and marriage of spirits and so on...?

A few good points here ^ However I disagree with Freudian psychobabble. I would really like to know of anyone here who advocates / supports / believes in Freudian psychology...

As I said so so in the off topic thread Freedom of expression is my concern. One can't say no to homosexuals and also talk about freedom of expression haha Promiscuity is the primary concern which is male related... (I think if people are in a truly loving relationship... promiscuity doesn't occur.... if however people wish to engage in such that is their choice.... I just would like it to be an informed choice) This is self evident... I don't know how many males have come on this board having addiction to pornography or excessive masturbation etc And they desperately want help / ways to stop etc. I don't think I have read one account from the females on this board having similar problems. Females put males in check until they learn to harness such powerful energy. Pornography + TV and other media really isn't helping men. But when you have Male X2.... There are no checks and balances... So it is important that a few facts are made apparent so things don't run rampant. Safe sex regardless of inclination. It would be like someone saying drinking alcohol is perfectly healthy... well this isn't entirely accurate... all things in moderation etc. If you want to drink yourself to death that is your choice however. But we need to be clear about the consequences of such actions.

Freedom of expression hmmm .... What happened to Recep? You all run him out of town with torches and pitchforks? Didn't much like his Islamic views? Religious discrimination? Hypocrites.

About half the websites were Christian the other half Secular... I posted around 100 references... the large majority of them are secular. Gov/ Universities etc. The Center for Disease Control was referenced many times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services. ... prove me wrong and I will remove all of my posts.

Prove me wrong and will happily remove all I have posted.

Here is that list again for those interested... I would like you to disprove what I have posted Aaron with reputable sources. I may change my mind but at present you and your crew haven't provided anything (other than insults) to say otherwise. /// 1. Bill Roundy, "STD Rates on the Rise," New York Blade News, December 15, 2000, p. 1. 2. "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men--San Francisco, California, 1994-1997," Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), January 29, 1999, p. 45. 3. Ibid. 4. Ulysses Torassa, "Some With HIV Aren't Disclosing Before Sex; UCSF Researcher's 1,397-person Study Presented During aids Conference," The San Francisco Examiner (July 15, 2000). 5. Jon Garbo, "Gay and Bi Men Less Likely to Disclose They Have HIV," GayHealth News (July 18, 2000). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/0/news?record=136. 6. Ibid. 7. Jon Garbo, "Risky Sex Common Among Gay Club and Bar Goers," GayHealth News (January 3, 2001). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/97863827496203.../ index.html?record=35. 8. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women With HIV," Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000). Available at: www.mb.com/ph/scty/2000%2D07/sc073004.asp. 9. A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see alsoBell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981). 10. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354. Dr. Paul Van de Ven reiterated these results in a private conversation with Dr. Robert Gagnon on September 7, 2000. 11. "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January/February 1998, p. 20. 12. M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, edited by P. Aries and A. Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 25. 13. David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 3. 14. M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L.A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian Relationships," in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, edited byJ. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982). 15. A.P.M. Coxon et al., "Sex Role Separation in Diaries of Homosexual Men," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 877-882. 16. G. J. Hart et al., "Risk Behaviour, Anti-HIV and Anti-Hepatitis B Core Prevalence in Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991-1992," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 863-869, cited in "Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand," Position Analysis paper by Colorado for Family Values, May 1994. 17. Bill Roundy, "STDs Up Among Gay Men: CDC Says Rise is Due to HIV Misperceptions," The Washington Blade (December 8, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/a. 18. Richard A. Zmuda, "Rising Rates of Anal Cancer for Gay Men," Cancer News (August 17, 2000). Available at: cancerlinksusa.com/cancernews_sm/Aug2000 /081700analcancer. 19. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer," The Washington Blade (June 2, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000602hm. 20. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) September 4, 1998, p. 708. 21. "Viral Hepatitus B--Frequently Asked Questions," National Center for Infectious Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)September 29, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/faqb. 22. "Hepatitus C: Epidemiology: Transmission Modes" Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1998.Available at: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis /c/edu/1/default.htm. 23. "Gonorrhea," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers For Disease Control and Prevention) September, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/ Fact_Sheets/FactsGonorrhea.htm. 24. "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea." 25. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) January 29, 1999, p. 48. 26. J. Vincelette et al., "Predicators of Chlamydial Infection and Gonorrhea among Patients Seen by Private Practitioners," Canadian Medical Association Journal 144 (1995): 713-721. 27. SPR Jebakumar et al., "Value of Screeningfor Oropharyngeal Chlamydia Trachomatis Infection," Journal of Clinical Pathology 48 (1995): 658-661. 28. "Some Facts about Syphilis," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/ Fact_Sheets/Syphilis_Facts. 29. "Syphilis Elimination: History in the Making," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Fact_Sheets/Syphilis_Facts. 30. C. M. Hutchinson et al., "Characteristics of Patients with Syphilis Attending Baltimore STD Clinics," Archives of Internal Medicine 151 (1991): 511-516. 31. "Syphilis Elimination." 32. Homosexual advocates object to the use of this term (Gay Bowel Syndrome), which they say unfairly stigmatizes homosexual behavior. Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 55. 33. "STD Treatment Guidelines: Proctitis, Proctocolitis, and Enteritis," (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1993. Available at: /www.ama-assn.org/special/std /treatmnt/guide/stdg3470.htm. 34. Jack Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women (San Francisco: Down There Press, 1998), p. 220. 35. Health Implications, p. 56. 36. "STD Treatment Guidelines." 37. Health Implications; See Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health, p. 220, 1. 38. Health Implications. 39. "Table 9. Male Adult/Adolescent AIDS Cases by Exposure Category and Race/Ethnicity, Reported through December 1999, United States," Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention: available at: www/cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1102/table9. 40. "HIV/AIDS Among US Women: Minority and Young Women at Continuing Risk," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/women. 41. Ibid. 42. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer." 43. "Young People at Risk: HIV/AIDS among America's Youth," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/youth.htm. 44. Ibid. 45. Ibid. 46. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention Among Men who Have Sex with Men," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/msm. 47. "Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease among Men Who Have Sex with Men--King County, Washington, 1997-1999," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report: Centers for Disease Control, September 10, 1999, pp. 773-777. Available at: www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ mm4835a1. 48. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention." 49. Bob Roehr, "Anal Cancer and You," Between the Lines News (November 16, 2000). Available at: www.pridesource.com/cgi-bin/article?article=3835560. 50. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer." 51. Rhonda Smith, "HPV Can be Transmitted between Women," The Washington Blade (December 4, 1998). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/9901011h. 52. Ibid. 53. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections 76 (2000):348. 54. Ibid., p. 347. 55. V. Gonzales, et al., "Sexual and Drug-Use Risk Factors for hiv and STDs: A Comparison of Women with and without Bisexual Experiences," American Journal of Public Health 89 (December 1999): 1846. 56. Ibid. 57. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women with HIV," Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000). 58. Ibid. 59. "Sexually Transmitted Infections," p. 347. 60. Ibid. 61. Rhonda Smith, "Childbirth Linked with Smaller Breast Tumor Size," The Washington Blade (December 17, 1999). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000114lh. 62. "HPV can be Transmitted between Women." 63. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, July 2000, p. 345. 64. Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244. 65. Peter Freiberg, "Study: Alcohol Use More Prevelent for Lesbians," The Washington Blade, January 12, 2001, p. 21. 66. Ibid. 67. Karen Paige Erickson, Karen F. Trocki, "Sex, Alcohol and Sexually Transmitted Diseases: A National Survey," Family Planning Perspectives 26 (December 1994): 261. 68. Ibid. 69. Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (December 1994): 469-492. 70. Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59. 71. D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14. 72. "Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p. 2. 73. Health Implications, p. 79. 74. J. Bradford, et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81. 75. R. Herrell, et al., "A Co-Twin Study in Adult Men," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-874. 76. D. Fergusson, et al., "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (October 1999), p. 876-884. 77. Ibid. 78. Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657. 79. 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I'll just post this again for those of missed it. Yesterday, 08:37 PM I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. - Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Freedom of speech is extremely important for individual liberty: no other right is as important as the right to think what you damn well please--and then talk about it. http://dreamsinvitro...edom-of-speech/ ". . . there ought to exist the fullest liberty of professing and discussing, as a matter of ethical conviction, any doctrine, however immoral it might be considered." The worst offence . . . which can be committed by a polemic is to stigmatise those who hold the contrary opinion as bad and immoral men. To calumny of this sort, those who hold any unpopular opinion are peculiarly exposed, because they are in general few and uninfluential, and nobody but themselves feels much interest in seeing justice done them; ... unmeasured vituperation employed on the side of the prevailing opinion really does deter people from professing contrary opinions, and from listening to those who express them. http://www.ourcivili...ights/chap6.htm FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS SACRED Time people brushed up on it ^^ I advocate for absolutely 0 censorship ---- Seth mentions the death of myself and supporters....? That our ways will die with us? What is the need to say such? Truly Seth the only hateful person here is yourself. I would never have become involved in the conversation if misleading statements regarding health etc hadn't been made. Very dangerous talk... your preaching ignorance could harm a great many people. What about all the young boys raped by SOME homosexual men too? (regarding suicide) Heterosexuals are not innocent in this regard either but again the statistics ^^% are not in favor of... What impact do you think that has on those people?| Statistically the numbers are actually much higher in secular environments... but shhhh not suppose to know that. I'd rather not get into that topic however... and would like to lay this one to rest also. Many minorities are "hated" like here on this board... really I am the only one being attacked. Though I am not going to kill myself over it. People have suffered a tremendous amount of things in life... and they PUSH ON. Something else is happening... these people would be best to study spiritual practices / stoicism and so on. To understand who they are and to stand strong in that. To rise above it all. 100 million Russian Orthodox Christians were murdered by Atheists in the Bolshevik "Revolution" Pregnant women were tied to trees, had their babies cut out before themselves being murdered... What about the 60+ million Chinese killed by Atheists? and so on... I am finding you views regarding the religious highly disturbing Maybe we will have to have you in for questioning? I am happy to let this topic drop, I'd much rather spend my time on other things... But I can't let such ignorant statements slide. Ignoring a problem isn't going to fix it. I'd call it Malpractice. All it is is sexual education so people can make better informed decisions. IGNORANCE IS THE CAUSE OF SUFFERING Sex in any expression. Look at Africa? People need to be educated about things. ------------------------------------------------------------

I can't see why not. I liked his work, funny too

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Progress is looking like hell more and more (not all things) hmm You may have noticed my ref to horses, bikes and walking Ah the good old days... that I never witnessed... ahaha

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. - Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Freedom of speech is extremely important for individual liberty: no other right is as important as the right to think what you damn well please--and then talk about it. http://dreamsinvitro.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/the-importance-of-freedom-of-speech/ ". . . there ought to exist the fullest liberty of professing and discussing, as a matter of ethical conviction, any doctrine, however immoral it might be considered." The worst offence . . . which can be committed by a polemic is to stigmatise those who hold the contrary opinion as bad and immoral men. To calumny of this sort, those who hold any unpopular opinion are peculiarly exposed, because they are in general few and uninfluential, and nobody but themselves feels much interest in seeing justice done them; ... unmeasured vituperation employed on the side of the prevailing opinion really does deter people from professing contrary opinions, and from listening to those who express them. http://www.ourcivilisation.com/cooray/rights/chap6.htm FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS SACRED Time people brushed up on it ^^ I advocate for absolutely 0 censorship ---- I have never reported anyone for anything... except Gatito who was insulting himself (as a joke - sorry mods if that annoyed you (so that doesnt count ) ) I think Mods should only be around for rare tech issues... We should be showing our moderators the greatest respect for the work they do... for nothing! If it was me i'd tell all you whinging brats to piss off and go somewhere else if you don't like it. They have a life too.... Sad that they have to spend most of their time on the TTB babysitting

Here is a list of some references from the website I linked... I think this should suffice (you will notice a good number of government studies) /// 1. Bill Roundy, "STD Rates on the Rise," New York Blade News, December 15, 2000, p. 1. 2. "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men--San Francisco, California, 1994-1997," Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), January 29, 1999, p. 45. 3. Ibid. 4. Ulysses Torassa, "Some With HIV Aren't Disclosing Before Sex; UCSF Researcher's 1,397-person Study Presented During aids Conference," The San Francisco Examiner (July 15, 2000). 5. Jon Garbo, "Gay and Bi Men Less Likely to Disclose They Have HIV," GayHealth News (July 18, 2000). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/0/news?record=136. 6. Ibid. 7. Jon Garbo, "Risky Sex Common Among Gay Club and Bar Goers," GayHealth News (January 3, 2001). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/97863827496203.../ index.html?record=35. 8. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women With HIV," Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000). Available at: www.mb.com/ph/scty/2000%2D07/sc073004.asp. 9. A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see alsoBell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981). 10. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354. Dr. Paul Van de Ven reiterated these results in a private conversation with Dr. Robert Gagnon on September 7, 2000. 11. "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January/February 1998, p. 20. 12. M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, edited by P. 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