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So all comes from the 0.... What if that 0 is neutral? and the created for whatever reason is either Positive or Negative... Order or Chaos Syntropy or Entropy + all things in-between and so on... Or perhaps the concept of free will? SO Zero Point gave birth to the ALL the All being the Children of the ZP. Most parents... want their children to exceed them? So .... in terms of The One (and Only...) I don't know... Made in the image of God?

Not overly... these terms people understand / are in common usage to describe evil There is a need I think to clarify terms... so thanks as Thelerner says... I tend to think the worst trick people pull on themselves is that evil comes from an outside source. Outsourcing evil gives them scapegoats and easy answers to complex questions. I use these terms to describe a behaviour...not one entity. There was this Irish fellow who believed something along the lines of... there being 9 lower realms, 9 higher realms.... with humanity in the middle Somewhat reminds me of the Mahabharata This battle within... I think this battle manifests externally too people choose sides... for whatever reason how many levels is this being played on? who knows... if it is so. - What are your thoughts?

Viator: You ignored pretty much all of the points I made to you about the quality of information on the internet versus print in the course of this reply as well. That was the purpose of posting the Kybalion... That access to such items is very simple via the internet. .. no matter perhaps I am being too abstract... All the best

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Thelerner - No need to figure out causes, motives, history or anything. ... a good amount of information I post is directly related to ^ That info from the Torah + Zohar etc is interesting... in terms of history and such + rep bloodlines ... so you dismiss everything else and target one? that quote speaks volumes.... regardless of the source... though I am not concern with the source... though many people seem to be hung up about it. @ Viator... I don't really know how I can make it more clear... All the info you need is in this thread if you will follow the leads... All those books... can also be found online / entire forums + databases of "occult" works. The Kybalion, by Three Initiates, [1912], The Seven Hermetic Principles, upon which the entire Hermetic Philosophy is based, are as follows: 1. The Principle of Mentalism. 2. The Principle of Correspondence. 3. The Principle of Vibration. 4. The Principle of Polarity. 5. The Principle of Rhythm. 6. The Principle of Cause and Effect. 7. The Principle of Gender. http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb04.htm Ah well

no worries. ... formally published ahhh (time is also no measure of truth) you are going to let that limit you? I wonder who controls the publishing houses? hmm Did you see my link about media corruption? Think of Rhode scholarship? out of how many students... ? say you have 10'000 students... 1 is selected you are just one of the multitude... a grain of sand... like me What you see and don't see... how much choice do you really think you have? You into popular music much? ... why is it so? It is no conspiracy theory...it has little to do with talent haha... little to do with your common folk also.... They say psychopaths can recognise each other (with a glance or so)... (very interesting study of its own... as I think somebody else mentioned above) so when a psychopath recognises another psychopath they stick together... psychopaths are generally drawn to places of POWER (over others) Studies conducted by Canadian forensic psychologist Robert Hare indicate that about 1 percent of the general population can be categorized as psychopathic, but the prevalence rate in the financial services industry is 10 percent. And Christopher Bayer believes, based on his experience, that the rate is higher. ...These "financial psychopaths" generally lack empathy and interest in what other people feel or think. At the same time, they display an abundance of charm, charisma, intelligence, credentials, an unparalleled capacity for lying, fabrication, and manipulation, and a drive for thrill seeking. Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-28/wall_street/31106457_1_psychopath-wall-street-psychologist#ixzz2JZBdzJE1 I wonder what the % would be in governments? haha... if history has anything to tell... (pretty funny thing when you trace the meaning of the word government too and find that it means MIND CONTROL) governments / secret societies... what difference? For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12 I don't mean to attack you personally... When I speak of occult ... I speak of spiritual wickedness in high places. I too have an interest in astrology, hermeticism and so on... I wouldn't refer to these as occult. Peace.

man... it is a simple google search... you know what google is right? Some things just don't go on public forums... (in detail) this I believe is one of those topics. /// I am not saying you practice these things... depends what you are calling occult.... that being "secret/hidden" right? as in you can't walk into any newage bookstore and pickup a copy...

I do not want to burden people with such... it is an extremely heavy subject... I do not wish to...nor have the time to educate you. I will give threads that people can follow if they so desire. If you have the courage.... research it yourself. take what you will.

I really don't want to get into this topic... The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. If you...will Search history of ritual sacrific /+ occult ritual animal sacrific... (billions every year) missing children... Elite and such things ^ There are the inner and outer circles...

Heya... every culture has some vampire like creature? I am inclined to believe they exist... the Torah also speaking of shapeshifting beings... Judaism teaches that beings not of this Earth have sexual relations with human beings. Beginning with the Torah, the Jews believe that Eve had sexual relations with Samael, the serpent, usually referred to as "Satan", a being not of this Earth, but rather an angel or god. The product of this union was Cain, who slew Abel. The Torah, at Genesis 3:14-15, states: "14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Jews take this to mean that the Serpent seduced Eve and she bore Cain. The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth, folio 103b, states: "For R. Johanan stated: When the serpent copulated with Eve, he infused her with lust. The lust of the Israelites who stood at Mount Sinai, came to an end, the lust of the idolaters who did not stand at Mount Sinai did not come to an end." The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Abodah Zarah, folio 22b, states: "Heathens prefer the cattle of Israelites to their own wives, for R. Johanan said: When the serpent came unto Eve he infused filthy lust into her. If that be so [the same should apply] also to Israel! — When Israel stood at Sinai that lust was eliminated, but the lust of idolaters, who did not stand at Sinai, did not cease." The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Shabbath, folio 145b-146a, states: "Why are idolaters lustful? Because they did not stand at Mount Sinai. For when the serpent came upon Eve he injected a lust into her: [as for] the Israelites who stood at Mount Sinai, their lustfulness departed; the idolaters, who did not stand at Mount Sinai, their lustfulness did not depart." The Jewish Cabalah in the Zohar, Volume 1, page 28b (see items 5 and 12, "5. UNCLEAN" and "12. CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL", also states that Eve fornicated with Satan: "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field, etc. (Genes. III, 1.) 'More subtle' that is towards evil; 'than all beasts' that is, the idolatrous people of the earth. For they are the children of the ancient serpent which seduced Eve." The Zohar, I, 28b-29a, states: "At that time the mixed multitude shall pass away from the world [***] The mixed multitude are the impurity which the serpent injected into Eve. From this impurity came forth Cain, who killed Abel. [***] for they are the seed of Amalek, of whom it is said, ‘thou shalt blot out the memory of Amalek' [***] Various impurities are mingled in the composition of Israel, like animals among men. One kind is from the side of the serpent; another from the side of the Gentiles, who are compared to the beasts of the field; another from the mazikin (goblins), for the souls [29a] of the wicked are literally the mazikin (goblins) of the world; and there is an impurity from the side of the demons and evil spirits; and there is none so cursed among them as Amalek, who is the evil serpent, the ‘strange god'. He is the cause of all unchastity and murder, and his twin-soul is the poison of idolatry, the two together being called Samael (lit. poison-god). There is more than one Samael, and they are not all equal, but this side of the serpent is accursed above all of them."--H. Sperling and M. Simon, The Zohar, Volume 1, The Soncino Press, New York, (1933), pp. 108-110. The Zohar I, 47a, states: "SAID Rabbi Abba: 'Nephesh hahaya' (living soul) truly denote the souls of Israel. They are the children of the Holy One and holy in his sight, but the souls of the heathen and idolatrous nations whence come they?' Said Rabbi Eleazar: ‘They emanate from the left side of the sephirotic tree of life, which is the side of impurity, and therefore they defile all that come into contact with them. It is written, 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, and creeping thing and beast of the earth after his kind' (Gen. 1-24). Wherefore does the word 'lemina' (after his kind) occur twice? It is to confirm what has lust been stated, that the souls of Israel are pure and holy, but the souls of the heathen being impure and unholy are symbolized by the creeping thing and beast of the earth, and therefore, like the foresaken in circumcision, are cut off."--N. De Manhar, Zohar: Bereshith—Genesis: An Expository Translation from Hebrew, Third Revised Edition, Wizards Bookshelf, San Diego, (1995), p. 203. The Jewish belief that the union of Eve and Satan produced Cain is specifically stated in the Jewish Jalkut Chadash, Folio 3, Column 3, number 12 and Folio 4, column 4, numbers 43 and 52 (Cf. J. Eisenmenger, J. A. Eisenmenger, The Traditions of the Jews, Contained in the Talmud and other Mystical Writings, Volume 1, J. Robinson, London, (1748), pp. 197-198). The Jews believe that they were cleansed of Satan's blood, the "impurity", when Moses received the Law at Sinai, which was supposedly offered to the Gentiles, who supposedly rejected it. The Jews use this mythology as a basis for their belief that they are obliged to exterminate the Gentiles, the Satanic children of Cain/Esau/Amalek/Haman. The Jews also believe that Cain's descendants met up with the "two chiefs" who became shape-shifting serpents that sleep with the descendants of Cain, which is to say with the Goyim, whom the Jews are planning to exterminate. The Zohar states: "When Cain was banished from the face of the earth, he descended into that land and there propagated his kind. That earth consists of two sections, one enveloped in light, the other in darkness, and there are two chiefs, one ruling over the light, the other over the darkness. These two chiefs were at perpetual war with each other, until the time of Cain's arrival, when they joined together and made peace; and therefore they are now one body with two heads. These two chiefs were named Afrira and Kastimon. They, moreover, bear the likeness of holy angels, having six wings. One of them had the face of an ox and the other that of an eagle. But when they became united they assumed the image of man. In time of darkness they change into the form of a two-headed serpent, and crawl like a serpent, and swoop into the abyss, and bathe in the great sea. When they reach the abode of 'Uzza and 'Azael they stir them up and rouse them. These then leap into the dark mountains, thinking that their day of judgement has come before the Holy One, blessed be His Name. The two chiefs then swim about in the great sea, and when night comes they fly off to Na'amah, the mother of the demons (shedim), by whom the first saints were seduced; but when they think to approach her she leaps away six thousand parasangs, and assumes all shapes and forms in the midst of the sons of men, so that the sons of men may be led astray after her. These two chiefs then fly about through the world, and return to their abode, where they arouse the sensual desires in the descendants of Cain to bear children."–The Zohar, Volume 1, Prologue, I, folio 9b, Soncino, London, (1933), pp. 39-40. Compare this Cabalistic story to that of Edward Bulwer-Lytton in The Coming Race. Returning to the Torah, it states that angels came down to Earth and slept with human beings. Genesis 6:1-5 states: "1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." The Torah continues in Numbers 13:28, 32-33, which states: "28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. [***] 32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. 33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." http://jewishracism.blogspot.com.au/2009/08/judaisms-shape-shifting-reptilians-and.html /// They Live... is a really cool movie... I do believe things are as such / similar + the war of the gods in the Vedas? + other similar tales... + explains the elite (secret societies) "satanic" rituals / human sacrifics, blood drinking etc ... they say reptilian blood line is more easily possesed by extradimensional entities / demons. Most of the "occult" people are studying, worshipping these creatures ^ If they werent why all the need for binding? and banishing and so forth? Do your "gods" not love you? their children?

ahaha... yes ^ OP see?

Hello Sean, It is when I click some people who have liked my posts... not many but a few people - I can't access them through member search either and have never seen these people post before. It says they are no longer active... though after reading that message I have seen them like other posts... so something is active. 1 example tesiunseHot /// It is no problem... I just thought it curious Thanks

OP very good read... thanks!

We lost a sense of brotherhood it's dog eat dog... hunger games now... materialism, consumerism, blind individualism I like to highlight that the word competition once had the meaning of ... Striving together that through our competition we make ourselves and each other better people... (pushing each other to the limits... / most fullest expression) now it has been twisted... to destroy each other thing also have come to... because people feel empty inside.... they have nothing no true culture / family / people they are people with no roots they don't know who they are they have no meaningful direction

History... is a funny thing... Even funnier when you can't spell the guys name... who you despise so much.... //// Here is one example of...not so funny.... Hirohito (裕仁?), posthumously in Japan officially called Emperor Shōwa (昭和天皇 Shōwa-tennō?, April 29, 1901 – January 7, 1989), was the 124th Emperor of Japan according to the traditional order, reigning from December 25, 1926 until his death in 1989. Although better known outside of Japan by his personal name Hirohito, in Japan he is now referred to primarily by his posthumous name Emperor Shōwa. The word Shōwa is the name of the era that corresponded with the Emperor's reign, and was made the Emperor's own name upon his death.[1] The name 裕仁 means "abundant benevolence". .... Many historians see Emperor Hirohito as responsible for the atrocities committed by the imperial forces in the Second Sino-Japanese War and in World War II and feel that he, some members of the imperial family such as his brother Prince Chichibu, his cousins Prince Takeda and Prince Fushimi, and his uncles Prince Kan'in, Prince Asaka, and Prince Higashikuni, should have been tried for war crimes.[38][39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito So... the allied forces... wanted to trial this guy for war crimes... /// but nobody says boo about... The atomic bombings of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki If you havn't looked deeply into that I suggest you do... truly horrifying (just so you get a better understanding about the "good guys") Also... at present (mid east) USA + allies use of depleted uranium ammunition + research Agent Orange... the list really is endless... The USA + Allies / Stalin and friends etc.... make Hitler look like a saint. You would need a reasonable grasp of history... both distant and recent to understand... People think they are history buffs after watching a few Hollywood movies? hmmm ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Regarding symbolism Oldest known Swastika found in Ukraine Ice age bird figureines from Mezin (ca 10,000 BCE) with inscribed Swastikas /// The Swastika is an ancient Indo Euro / Aryan Symbol found... The Swastikas Of Ancient Europe from a 1898 Yale University study. /// You may also find these interesting... Celtic yin yang motif on an enameled bronze plaque (mid-1st century AD) Celtic yin yang whorl Shield pattern of the Western Roman infantry unit armigeri defensores seniores (ca. AD 430), the earliest known classical yin yang emblem[3] .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taijitu // So who has claim to what isn't so clear... Also of interest... Indra (Devanagari: इन्द्र) or Śakra is the leader of the Devas or gods and Lord of Svargaloka or heaven in the Hindu religion. He is the God of war, the god of thunderstorms.[1] His weapon is the lightning bolt (vajra). Indra is one of the chief deities in the Rigveda. He is the twin brother of Agni and hence said to be born of Dyaus Pitar (Father Heaven) and Prithvi Mata (Mother Earth).[2] He is also mentioned as an Aditya, a son of Aditi. His home is situated on Mount Meru.[3] He has many epithets, notably vṛṣan the bull, and vṛtrahan, slayer of Vṛtra, meghavahana "the one who rides the clouds" & Devapati "the lord of gods or devas".[3] Indra appears as the name of an arch-demon in the Zoroastrian religion, while his epithet Verethragna appears as a god of victory. Indra is also called Śakra frequently in the Vedas and in Buddhism (Pali: Sakka). He is known in Burmese as သိကြားမင်း, pronounced: [ðadʑá mɪ́ɴ]; in Thai as พระอินทร์ Phra In, in Malay as Indera, In Telugu(తెలుగు)language Indra(ఇంద్ర), swargadhipathi(స్వర్గాధిపతి), in Tamil as Intiran, Chinese as 帝释天 Dìshìtiān, and in Japanese as 帝釈天 Taishakuten.[4] Aspects of Indra as a deity are cognate to other Indo-European gods; they are either thunder gods such as Thor, Perun, and Zeus, or gods of intoxicating drinks such as Dionysos. The name of Indra (Indara) is also mentioned among the gods of the Mitanni, a Hurrian speaking people who ruled northern Syria from ca.1500BC-1300BC.[5] Janda (1998:221) suggests that the Proto-Indo-European (or Graeco-Aryan) predecessor of Indra had the epithet *trigw-welumos "smasher of the enclosure" (of Vritra, Vala) and diye-snūtyos "impeller of streams" (the liberated rivers, corresponding to Vedic apam ajas "agitator of the waters"), which resulted in the Greek gods Triptolemos and Dionysos. Appearance... In Rig Veda, Indra the solar god is sometimes described as golden-bodied ("Gora" that means golden-yellowish) with golden jaw, nails, hair, beard. One Atharva Vedic verse reads, "In Indra are set fast all forms of golden hue."[7] Anything like "Bronzed Aussie" ? Indra is described in the Rig Veda having blond, or 'yellow', hair.[11] One part of the Rig Veda says, "At the swift draught the Soma-drinker waxed in might, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair." The Rig Veda/Mandala 10/Hymn 96 Like violent gusts of wind the droughts that I have drunk have lifted me Have I not drunk of Soma juice?[12] Fair cheeks hath Indra, Maghavan, the Victor, Lord of a great host, Stormer, strong in action. What once thou didst in might when mortals vexed thee, where now, O Bull, are those thy hero exploits? —RigVeda, Book 3, Hymn XXX: Griffith[13] May the strong Heaven make thee the Strong wax stronger: Strong, for thou art borne by thy two strong Bay Horses. So, fair of cheek, with mighty chariot, mighty, uphold us, strong-willed, thunder armed, in battle. —RigVeda, Book 5, Hymn XXXVI: Grffith[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra ?? As stated above... connection with Thor etc... And other European Gods have very similar characteristics... Even the Soma Drinker.... Thor / Euro Gods have a reputation ...and European people for that matter hahaha for drinking... They say Mead... referred to in Nordic texts etc... was a brew/ mix of honey and psychoactive mushrooms... Soma indeed haha. Also very interesting is the connections between the ancient languages... Old Slavic / Greek / Old German / Sanskrit etc etc " Indo European" ... just a sample

Also.... I think Ralis..... Is a government agent....

Turtle: Cat was hanging around and chose to do nothing about it.

I have a feeling... that when we figure it all out... it's going to be pretty funny

Good Idea!

CIA Funding and Manipulation of the U.S. News Media Operation Mockingbird was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to influence domestic and foreign media beginning in the 1950s. According to the Congress report published in 1976: “The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda. These individuals provide the CIA with direct access to a large number of newspapers and periodicals, scores of press services and news agencies, radio and television stations, commercial book publishers, and other foreign media outlets.” “Whoever controls the media, controls the mind.” -Jim Morrison http://www.knowledgeoftoday.org/2011/12/anonymous-mainstream-media-corruption.html#.UQGR4Web90Q

True, Good fun... hmm I really like that movie too... I believe that people create their own heaven / hell... that these things... predate any religious institutions and that seekers have stumbled upon these realms... and simply did their best to explain From memory (it has been some time) the wife... created her own "hell" not because of any religious beliefs... but her own attachment / emotional trauma (that became cyclic / downward spiral) and maybe her disbelief... landed her in such a place. I don't remember any strong religious overtones... very little if any. The cure to her hell was to forgive herself / and to believe in something greater than herself. hmm... I have read accounts of people crossing over.... Buddhists see Buddha, Christians see Christ and so on... These beliefs / expectations all shape... As I said before... you make/ create / realize your own being/ dreamscape I have wondered if... .(At the upper level of this density, there are no limits to our desires) an Atheist... desiring no "afterlife" etc... does dream of oblivion... until such time their consciousness stirs again... I think Robin Williams was a great selection for that film... + his other films... The playfulness.... suspending disbelief etc In terms of dimensions... I believe they are all within... take this orange slice for example... So the skin of the orange would be the 1,2 dim the fleshy white part would be the 3rd dim and so on... until the center / the zero point. ? edit: this is very basic / sketch more or less... of what feel at present... working model.