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I suppose I am on a bit of a crusade I am not against people... against certain behaviors, which I believe are mostly unconscious / conditioned People tend to identify with one thing... and believe it to be an attack on them personally... In this one instance I disagree with a number of people... but that is only one aspect of what they practice... many have a good many wonderful and insightful things to say... probably very nice people all in all.... just this one thing.

I know a number of meat eaters who frequently get B12 shots... always taking supplements of some form.

Samara documentary... highly recommended I think it is a branch from Baraka (1992)? Both totally stunning... on a number of levels...

I think a lot of people are still functioning from the lower centers of the brain // (why?) In terms of blood mixing - humans are advised against mixing blood between themselves But when they consume animals they are for one, eating/drinking animal blood I wonder if people are genetically modifying themselves by eating animals? Bringing their mind to an animal state... or state of terror etc due to the conditions experienced by the animals... with the chemicals remaining present in the meat Or the blood lust (like vampire) keeps people in a predator state of mind // so people have to somehow break this. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The first philosopher in the West to create a lasting vegetarian legacy was the Greek teacher Pythagoras. He was born on the island of Samos in 580 BCE and studied in what are now the countries of Greece, Egypt, and Iraq before establishing his school in southern Italy at the city of Croton. While Pythagoras is famous for his contributions to math, music, science, and philosophy, it is his philosophy that is of particular interest. He taught that all animals, not just humans, had souls, which were immortal and reincarnated after death. Since a human might become an animal at death, and an animal might become a human, Pythagoras believed that killing and eating non-human animals sullied the soul and prevented union with a higher form of reality. Additionally, he felt that eating meat was unhealthy and made humans wage war against one another. For these reasons, he abstained from meat and encouraged others to do likewise, perhaps making him one of the earliest campaigners for ethical vegetarianism. http://www.vegsource... ... world.html It seems Pythagoras had similar ideas to myself A few other ancient Greek vegetarian philosophers ... 2000+ years ago // strange to think Apollonius of Tyana Empedocles Plotinus Plutarch Proclus Pythagoras Socrates Sotion (Pythagorean) Theophrastus Xenocrates

It is a slow coming to senses really... understanding / education etc reflection. I changed to vegetarianism when I was 18... I had never really thought about... the process / just the end product... One day I was in the city and a guy handed me a little booklet discussing the... process etc... that instant changed to a vegetarian diet. Becoming aware/ mindful of what I was causing / responsible for and didn't want to have anything to do with it anymore...

Apparently there is... after the Great Flood the agreement with God was changed ... or so it goes... Ive spoken with Christians who after reading above regarding vege*ism... explain with ^ why they are now allowed/ justified to eat meat... But there is a series of events leading to this..downfall... / fall from Grace. So rather than practicing the "Will of Heaven" they are practicing.... Also interesting to note again early christians being vegetarian, a good number of leaders / mystics advocating for it... and then Paul/Saul saying the very opposite... (+ having a good about of input into the bible we have today in the end) Paul/Saul is an interesting character... spent a good amount of time slaughtering Christians... before his "miraculous conversion" (which I highly doubt) I did give one scientific study at the beginning Researchers in Europe recruited vegan, vegetarian, and meat-eating volunteers and placed them into an MRI machine while showing them a series of random pictures. The MRI scans revealed that when observing animal or human suffering, the "empathy-related" areas of the brain are more active among vegetarians and vegans. The researchers also found that there are certain brain areas that only vegans and vegetarians seem to activate when witnessing suffering. http://www.peta.org/... ... fault.aspx A psychopath is somebody who is without empathy ... Veg*ns may appear to go on the warpath when it comes to protecting animals... due to empathy For myself when I see a calf being slaughtered I make no distinction between... human and animal I see another consciousness, an intelligent emotional being and I want to protect it from all the horrors of man... the best I can. I only discuss on forums really... unless somebody specifically asks me... as generally it is a waste of energy/ time. ... ah also... I don't know if there is a link... but USA being the highest consumers of meat by far + also leading in mental health diseases and others? Just of interest. You find much less of all these things ^^ in countries where meat intake is little to none... the highest rates of bone disease are also in western countries... where the most diary is consumed.

Thanks D'avid' , in much agreement Here is the link to the biblical quotes... missed the link http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/honoring.htm // I am thinking it happened around some cataclysmic event that forced people to eat animals to survive... the fall from grace? The Great Flood (recorded in world mythologies) who knows...

I don't subscribe to any one thing.... I assume most here are aware of Buddhist + Taoist + Hindu + Jain texts regarding vegetarianism? If not I can upload a good number of them also. I find the Bible ones of great interest... as I was actually very surprised to find them. With Genesis specifically stating .... God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. ... considering there are about 2.3 billion? Christians... that is a good number of vegetarians - so how did things get so flipped? A lot of contradictory text has been added... what the original message was and what it has been turned into... As you may have read... it speaks of a good number of the early followers to be vegetarian I don't dismiss everything so easily. Everything generally contains some thread of truth... I am just trying to collect all the different threads from around the world and see where they lead/ connect/ diverge etc No one thing is innocent 100% ( If you look at the history of Buddhism for example, for one)... also vast difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament (Some say in the beginning there was no connection... that the powers that be wove them together in order to maintain control / continuation of their dominance) I am neither for or against really - just interested Not one word I have quoted from the Bible condones violence or hate in any form... the very opposite. If you will, the history of vegetarianism article linked above is a very good read.

preemptive strike?

pirate hats?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

You are what you eat So within so without Everything starts at home... How does one expect to have a sane peaceful government when the people are insane and violent? Also note the mental states described in the article above... removed... was talking about anger, depression, frustration etc in relation to consumption of animal flesh + dairy + chemicals/ hormones and other toxins used in this process. In these extreme low vibratory / negative states (suffered by the animals..than consumed by humans) the mind is significantly vulnerable and perhaps even open to entities who dwell within the lesser realms/dimensions. ? You either consume life + light or death + darkness?

True... Matriarch Didn't abuse power... no violence... hmm Bloody Mary ? For one... many other examples too Women are not inherently peaceful / wise etc The notion that women controlling everything would = paradise ... is There are some crazy women out there...haha Perhaps the most qualified and noble of heart ? + Who says women don't presently rule the world? hahah

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In regards... White Wolf Running On Air. This wolf is of spirit. Regarding the history of Veg*ism I have some info... though maybe a different thread. I have been wondering however... is life harmony... or is life violence Is the universe inherently violent? ... that perhaps the purpose of life is to become the most violent... is there any point where such a way is overcome / transcended... Or will we continue to justify and perpetuate this violence forever. 400'000 years ago roughly women weren't allowed to vote (not that it matters now because the entire system is rigged..) does that mean that.... meh hahah

regardless of ^^ all that... that does seem like a good solution... in terms of the banking problem etc ?

I just wanted to know what your opinion was is all

what is the difference?

A few interesting points... Strangely enough thanks to the Internet we are all beginning to see the real reasons for WW2 Hitler inherited a nation of starving disposed people and a country deep in debt owing billions in repatriations....so what did he do? He bypassed the banks and created his own currency called "Labour Treasury Certificates", measured not against gold, but against units of labour. He allowed the banks to print deutchemarks, but the people traded in Labour Treasury certificates, valuable in Germany but valueless elsewhere! Here is how some see it In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry commented: “Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 on, which accounts for Germany’s startling rise from the depression to a world power in five years. The German government financed its entire operations from 1935 to 1945 without gold, and without debt. It took the entire Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German revolution, and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers.” Here is how Churchill saw it, "Germany's unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldn't profit anymore. .. (The Second World War - Bern, 1960) “Hitler took over the privilege of manufacturing money, and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones. He took over the machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the people. Can you possibly imagine what would have come if this had infected a number of other states?” C. G. Rakovsky, Probably why the Libertarian party (for who debt free money advocate Bill Still is standing) have had republican candidate gary Johnson along with a large amount of funding foisted upon them. Obviously Still or the libertarian party for that matter wont win, but could, like UKIP here, be a thorn in the side of the globalists. http://www.housepric...howtopic=175588 /// "We made a monster, a devil out of Hitler. Therefore we couldn’t disavow it after the war. After all, we mobilized the masses against the devil himself. So we were forced to play our part in this diabolic scenario after the war. In no way we could have pointed out to our people that the war only was an economic preventive measure." - US foreign minister James Baker (1992) "Not the political doctrine of Hitler has hurled us into this war. The reason was the success of his increase in building a new economy. The roots of war were envy, greed and fear." - Major General J.F.C. Fuller, historian, England "We didn’t go to war in 1939 to save Germany from Hitler...or the continent from fascism. Like in 1914, we went to war for the not lesser noble cause that we couldn’t accept a German hegemony over Europe." - Sunday Correspondent, London (17.9.1989) "The enemy is the German Reich and not Nazism, and those who still haven’t understood this, haven’t understood anything." – Churchill’s chief counselor Robert Lord Vansittart (as said to foreign minister Lord Halifax, September 1940) World War 1 "Should Germany merchandise (do business) again in the next 50 years we have led this war (WW1) in vain." - Winston Churchill in The Times (1919) World War 2 "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast) "Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it." - Winston Churchill (November 1936 speaking to US - General Robert E. Wood)

When the Gov Media outlets are talking about fascism what they are really talking about is communism. It is important to make the distinct otherwise people are going to get lost... The Gov is communist... they push this fascist idea (playing on peoples ignorance) in order to further promote their communist agendas. These basic things below > Autarky is the quality of being self-sufficient. Usually the term is applied to political states or their economic systems. The latter are called closed economies.[1] Autarky exists whenever an entity can survive or continue its activities without external assistance or international trade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky > Nationalist > Homogeneous population > Ethics / Morality / Spiritual Vitality (Fascism did not promote Christianity - The aim was to return to "Paganism" / Native folk traditions / Nature) = Fascism The USA is not one of these things. The very opposite really > Globalist / Internationalist ... relying heavily on trade (exploitation) + warfare > Heterogeneous population (Multicultural) > Hedonist ( Mainstream Media = Vile ... Fascism would never have allowed for the rubbish broadcast 24/7 in the USA and other British colonies) > Promotion of atheism (+ abortion + materialism + decadence)

Third Position Fascism promotes such economics as a "third position" alternative to capitalism and Marxism, as fascism declares both as being obsolete.[172] Such an economic system, is variously termed by fascists as "national corporatism", "national socialism" or "national syndicalism".[22] Benito Mussolini spoke of this as a "Third Alternative" in 1940 upon Italy's entry into World War II, saying: This conflict must not be allowed to cancel out all our achievements of the past eighteen years, nor, more importantly, extinguish the hope of a Third Alternative held out by Fascism to mankind fettered between the pillar of capitalist slavery and the post of Marxist chaos. —Benito Mussolini, 1940.[172] Fascism officially advocates resolution to domestic class conflict within a nation to secure national solidarity.[8] However fascism publicly favours proletarian culture due to its association with economic production and claims that proletarians as producers must have a dominant role in the nation.[9] It deplores bourgeois culture for having an unfit sedentary lifestyle and for its individualism that fascism views as inconsistent with virile nationhood.[173][174] Fascism claims that cultural nationalization of society emancipates the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into proletarian national culture.[8] While fascism opposes domestic class conflict, fascism believes that bourgeois-proletarian conflict primarily exists in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations.[175] Fascism denounces capitalism not because of its competitive nature nor its support of private property that fascism supports; but due to its materialism, individualism, alleged bourgeois decadence, and alleged indifference to the nation.[173] Fascism denounces Marxism for its advocacy of materialist internationalist class identity that fascism regards as an attack upon the emotional and spiritual bonds of nationality and thwarting the achievement of genuine national solidarity.[176] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism