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A conversation moving along that slow, is hard for me to maintain interest in, though I always figured that if I did take more time that I would be less volatile. I , however, was always a proponent of the Editorial process that they used to do in politics. Candidates would write a letter, someone else would direct a letter to addressing that one. It potentially gives time for fact checking , structuring ones wording to touch particular points and consult with staff etc. As long as the Candidate was honestly speaking for himself , I think it would be super informative.

Ok.. how did the Fred fans take , your take on usefulness?

Ok,,, I don't know the hog one.

Ahh, yes ,, but is dragging his tail in the mud putting his nose to the grindstone , or living it up? That , IS the question. ... Which is odd that you mention it , because I think I saw today on an intro to Mair's thing .., that the turtle was replaced with a hog ,, in his opinion , for some reason. ( it was a pdf introducing his idea that he wanted to present out of the box thinking related to the Cz)

Do You think the classic ones point at one or the other view? oooh toughie question

What did you say?

I'm actually thinking of writing a spin on that story,, where Scrooge is the ascetic hero , and the ghosts show up at Bobs house.

In this version , the tree represents hard work, talent , salesmanship , self promotion, reputation , and the material profits of a lifetime,, in and of themselves these things aren't exactly fun ,they're requirements for living,, but one reaps the benefits in that way, , indirectly. This is Scrooges tree, its how he can afford the biggest goose , have parties with his family , and save Tiny Tim.

Nice thread guys, thanks.

Ok so whats your response if you're having an nice conversation somewhere and a moderator pops in to tell you that your placement of commas and paragraphs isn't up to snuff, and then demonstrates where they think you need to make corrections to comply with their standards.... ?

The useful aspects of ordinary timber , relates to the functionality of having talents abilities effort, which one barters away. One spending time working all day conventionally may be said to be being useful. But one has spent their precious time , not enriching their experience with useless play , love , pointless discussions , (worship, if you like that stuff) and all the wonderful things one might want to do with their lives, but rather busting a hump at work to gain stuff , which was supposed to enable one to have the joys already mentioned. The tree, was a place to gather , shoot the breeze , rest weary bones , gather etc.. and for that reason it was precious. Its existence was nourishment for the spirit, not the flesh, and it was not traded away for the intermediary of cash, but the rich experiences compounded adding up to a long healthy life of simple joys. My sister was into ceramics for a while , she enjoyed it quite a lot, she got good at it and made it into her work,, lo and behold ,, as soon as she did that , the fun went out of it. Now , rather than just amusing herself with imperfect experiment, she had schedules and expectations to meet , things depended on getting stuff just right. The play went out of it, as she chopped up that tree and burnt it to the ground.

People who inappropriately use auto white balance?

just checking something

As a person who has no trouble falling asleep , I wouldn't have much advice, but there is one thing I do ,,, the one thing I could suggest might be , whats already been suggested.. you basically have to put everything on hold till tomorrow. No thinking about trying to sleep , no planning for the next day , no considering the one which has just past, no counting sheep, no meditating no checking to see if one is getting sleepy yet, etc, Any and all considerations which involve mental words is a no-no. You can appreciate your comfort by feeling it , and sinking into it , sinking into the ease of not working at thinking for a bit.. (if you need a subject while developing the habit of just shutting down when the day is done, make that be it) I hope that helps , I imagine it sucks to just keep chugging along unrested.

Moving on then, I enjoy the nuance of these passages. Being ready to catch all the crap, but not too quick to swat a problem, escaped me yesterday. But I was wondering if the Mongols are referred to specfically in the term 'those who love horses'..

I hope that doesnt mean I was too data-centric. I cant really help that.. for long.

I had to google this up but , the manure has obvious soil nurturing uses , the urine can be made into ammonia for cleaning clothes or you can compost and boil it down to yield saltpeter for gunpowder , uric acid stays in solution in an alkaline situation which would increase the yield of your efforts using shell so as not to have crystal formation there rather than in the compost pile. While Horse urine doesn't really have a large component of uric acid , bird poop does and I could see the tradition of using the shell which is alkaline , to be a holdover. Thus , the value of the wastes , both yin and yang in quality , is what a horse can yield in return for its care , in terms of useful product. I figure I don't have to explain the rest.

Its just for spraying in peoples faces so they stop trying to collect it.

Re-reading, I see I passed over a direct question, sorry, I did the sloppy thing and just sort of took it as rhetorical. Yeah it may be a bit ironic , to suggest someone follow their example of being an anarchist. But I think that in writing his work , he overrode that irony because he wanted to express that which he felt was well intended. And so , agreeing with your agreement statement, as you phrase it, I picture that this is not really advice to rulers , its about handling an underdog position. If his own words were being presented , to a student , who really has the final say on whether his advice should be heeded or dismissed , I imagine this too is arguing from an underdog position. Press too hard and the idea will be rejected and you're out on your arse. Likewise scaling up from individual internal discussion, abruptly reaching for the skies might be ill advised... or on a personal self help level ,' this sucks I give up' may be the effect. Caution moderation low hanging fruit and all that stuff is present. But seriously , on any of these levels , is not recognition of value, important to establishing the instructional value of the relationship. If one just doesn't go against the grain of their usual habit and never sees success from doing it , doesnt see the validity of ideas one didn't have because they stayed in a nice little comfort zone where they weren't prompted or tempted ,, are they not going to immediately revert to the old habit as soon as they are presented with the possibility of a live kill? I've read plenty , seen the logic of much of it, but when put into the arena , I go right back to the warpath. The system has to work even when tested , otherwise it doesn't actually do anything. For me,# 6, 7, 8, 9, dont seem to fit with 10. I dont want to collect horse piss in a clam shell.

Caution is a good idea , and perhaps Cz was giving someone else's advice because it was too late to follow his own. I think Taoist text's Legalist buddies stuck it in there though. theres too many hitches in it. Lets look at the 'follow your heart' thing, well If the dukes son follows His, and he is cruel , then one Yen Ho would be trying to override the dukes son's nature. If Yen Ho's heart is to interfere , because he thinks he knows best, then he isnt following Cz's basic premise of butting out re:.. wu wei. " If I insist that he act with constraint, he will bring harm to my own person" Following wu wei and not doing actions to assert ones views on the world , would leave no place for the rhino to poke. Creel, for example, decided that this greatest Taoist paradox was probably unintentional, due to the juxtaposition of two different aspects in early Taoism: an original "contemplative aspect" and a subsequent "purposive aspect." The first denotes "an attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in the struggle of human affairs," while the second is "a technique by means of which one who practices it may gain enhanced control over human affairs." [18] The former is merely passive (hence "nonaction"), the latter is an attempt to act in and reform the world ("action"), and, as Creel emphasizes, these are not only different but "logically and essentially they are incompatible." [19] Creel admits that this interpretation is not to be found within the Taoist texts themselves, and recognizes that this puts him in the awkward position of claiming that the Chuang-tzu (more contemplative) is earlier than the compilation of the Lao-tzu (more purposive). So Im thinking creel would also not see this portion as typical of the contemplative approach , but rather of a purposive one , and therefore not fitting well with the body of the Cz. .. Why he thinks he needs to assign temporal primacy to one vs the other view?, I dont know and expect that at any given moment in time some people were seeing the teachings in either one of these two veins so thats a moot consideration as far as Im concerned. IMO Daoist literature suggests exemplified by the sage, that even if the reasoning is taken to the extreme the logic is still valid, in this piece, the logic is peppered with qualifiers, dont be too nice, dont be too harsh, go ahead and mess with affairs of state but watch your ass... and so forth. I know you put a lot of weight on moderation , and I recognize that, thats just a difference Im not getting into right now though.

Ok , so do you agree that those who know, are saying that the classic non-conformist Cz was promoting this conformity? Wouldnt Cz be smart enough to not take the job in the first place? preferring to present himself as a friendly but useless idiot. and also , not be even be trying to effect change on the dukes son? IMO The plan isnt going to work, if the dukes son is actually 'naturally cruel'. Though moderation and causation are indeed mentioned.

Im thinking the Supreme court decided that taking is constitutionally Ok if theres just compensation. And this can be done by a private interest ,provided that its deemed in the general welfare. It is a spin ,IMo of the fifth amendment , but The Supreme court stands as the interpreter of the constitution., eminent domain is legal, The court ruled that a percentage of property owners needed to Ok the right of way, which they did, the question devolves down to whether the action is in the public welfares benefit. Many disagree about that apparently , but the court decided it was ,overall, depending on Whether the Corps was going to sign off on the thing,which was still being decided as the last hurdle. Im thinking ,All they have to do is modify the plan and resubmit once Obama is out.

Too late for being cautious though, Yen Ho already set himself up as an authority , that he could effectively tutor someone who didn't want tutoring. If the son of the duke isn't stupid, he may recognize Yen ho as a bullshit artist. Some folks aren't keen on that either, rather than, coming to respect someone who speaks with sincerity. Why is the guy cruel ? we dont know, maybe its because he doesn't respect the people he is cruel to , in retaliation for their falsity! While being a phony does work at times , its a gamble here. When one's best pitch is a fastball, sometimes a curve is a badly chosen pitch. Caution is advisable if they guy is capable of cutting off your head, but if you're going to tutor the guy , I don't think you can do it following his lead all the time, and condoning his behavior, all the more , the worse it gets. You may get to live through it, but you're not teaching anything. I'm thinking better advice is to get in good with the Duke himself. Who wrote this passage?

So for now , the oil Still crosses the same river ,,,,,,,,,,,, just , in freight trains though populated towns

Me too