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K- Thanks for your comments. No, I don't have organic medical problems I'm physically okay, no heart disease. I get tons of aerobic exercise daily in the gym and my heart doesn't skip any beats, and I'm never short of breath unless if I'm doing like 15+ METS. And its not reflux/GERD either. I tried accupuncture for a while but did not find it useful. I went there for several weeks twice a week and they even did some crazy weird suction cup thingy that scared the s--- out of me. I don't believe in that stuff anymore, if I ever did in the first place. TS- I tried that grounding earth stuff too but that didn't do a thing either. The only thing I found that can influence heat is thinking about it. I discovered that if I think and concentrate on a body part, I can usually warm it up, but I can't cool down something that's already warm. Sin- errr... wouldn't sweating it out in the gym be at least as effective? I move a lot when I'm running and biking and its pretty jarring. I cross train and I vary the intensity too, so its not just constant movements. BTW the heat is not inflammatory in nature. Inflammation, unless if its really severe, will respond at least somewhat to aspirin or NSAID's like ibuprofen. I remember a few months back when the heat was REALLY bad, especially the top of my head; it was like somebody torching it with a Bunsen burner or a laser. So I tried those medicines, but they didn't touch it at all. I suspect the heat is of endocrine origin, perhaps some kind of neuro-endocrine dysfunction. Which of course begs the question, WHY is it doing that??? What's the heat doing? Is there any purpose to it or is it just like another crappy symptom? err... its cooling down here I get plenty of cool air

Hi guys, I am wondering if anybody knows of any methods to enter a deeper state of sleep (stage 2-3) directly from the awake state, skipping light, stage 1 sleep? I've been having some problems in the middle of the night trying to fall back asleep after I awaken. I can fall asleep now okay at bedtime because I'm dead tired, but if I happen to get up at 5 or 6 AM I will attempt to go back to sleep. But since I'm not as tired in the morning compared to at night its much more difficult, and worse my stupid body cannot distinguish between trying to relax into light sleep and meditating. When I tried meditating some weeks back I usually end up twitching, spasming, and sometimes I get agitated, which is exactly what happens to me in the morning entering stage 1 sleep; as soon as I enter this state a spasm would jolt me awake again. Hell, rarely it actually spreads to my body and I get vibrations leading to out of body experiences early in the morning. There was a recent thread here about sleep http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/24370-decreasing-sleeping-hours/ where someone mentioned using "autosuggestion and positive reinforcement [to drop directly into deep sleep]. Does anyone here know exactly how to do this? I figured if I can skip stage 1 sleep and directly enter stage 2-3 from the waking state, I can avoid getting jolted awake by twitching and spasming which only occur during light sleep. Anyone ? Thanks!

Hi guys. I'm been doing some thinking recently. It seems to me that almost everybody says that having a kundalini awakening is some kind of super-awesome thing, and that it gives you many advantages in life. For instance, this writer claims: http://deniselefay.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/kundalini-rising-the-rewiring-process/ But if this is so, then why do I not see any real evidence of this in the world? You'd think that awakened people, with their massive and insurmountable advantages over others who are stuck in a pitiful 3-D only world, would be sweeping the Olympic medal podiums, winning Nobel prizes, making billions, and walking through the halls of power in every nation. You'd also expect them to be grossly over-represented among the ranks of doctors, scientists, lawyers, politicians, businessmen, artists, and pretty much any and every endeavor which requires skill and intellect. But the reality is that I have a hard time naming anyone eminent who has undergone such a process. This article claims that a staggering 72% of members of the National Academy of Sciences (only eminent scientists with a good publication record are allowed in) disbelieve God. So by extension they must also not believe in kundalini, since it leads to God/enlightenment/oneness/unity counsciousness, which are all the same thing. http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html Contrast this with bipolar disorder. Yes, it drives most people into ruin, but a manic episode combined with a high IQ gives the sufferer many creative advantages. Although it has a prevalence of only 1% in the general population, from its ranks come the greatest musician (Beethoven), greatest artist (Michelangelo), greatest scientist (Newton), and greatest political leader (Napoleon) of all time, IMO. But if kundalini is even better than mania, then I can rightfully ask where is the awakened version of the guys I named above? Okay, so you might answer that kundalini is a rare event, much rarer than 1%, so that's why so few eminent people have it. Maybe you might also argue that awakened people are more concerned about their inner, spiritual development and not external things (though to me they are really the same, everything being one and all ). But then I can counter that, this being the modern world where everyone has to work a day job or go to school, people with awakened kundalini, if it gives them such great advantages, have no excuse not to smoke their co-workers on performance evaluations and destroy their classmates on exams. I was formerly in a high powered field and worked daily with the cream of the crop, you know, the top 0.1 percenters, the Ivy leaguers, the guys who graduated with 4.0's while managing a startup company, playing 2 instruments, playing on the lacrosse team, and volunteering overseas. And trust me, I know of not a single person with anything resembling an awakened kundalini ! And if you look at it from the reverse perspective, and look at the people who HAVE undergone this, or are currently undergoing it, and ask, what type of people are these, and what are their accomplishments, you probably find that they are nowhere near the type I just mentioned. Theoretically, kundalini should give you massive advantages in everything. But to me it seem like everybody with awakened kundalini who rises to any sort of prominence only does so through the narrow sphere of spirituality. In other words, kundalini gives you an advantage only in itself, in allowing you to reach spiritual states easily, but not outside of it. In fact, I challenge you guys to start naming ANY eminent person who has undergone kundalini and was able to put their "advantages" to good use in a field OUTSIDE of pure spirituality. So guys like Jesus, Buddha, saints, mystics, and occultists are perforce excluded. I also have to exclude thinkers and writers whose ONLY theme is mystical, such as Plotinus, Jakob Boehm, and Aleister Crowley. Of course, peddlers of seminars and books who have achieved some fame (ie, Tolle, Bruce) are also out of the running. In my own musings I can only name the following people, and all of them are obviously retrospective diagnoses: JOAN of Arc: teenage peasant girl who lead armies into battle. Had recurrent religious "visions" without known medical conditions which might have caused them, raising suspicions that they are kundalini related. Emmanuel SWEDENBORG: noted writer, philosopher, inventor, and scientist. At the age of 56 he began to have strange dreams and visions which were probably astral experiences and lucid dreams. Anecdotal accounts of psychic abilities surfaced some years later. His inclusion on this list is somewhat dubious given that he was already famous prior to age 56 so it cannot really be attributed to kundalini. PLATO: philosopher. His theory of forms hint to awareness of transcendent states. Moreover, his conception of the "Form of all forms, or of the Good" strongly suggests this is equivalent to God/One/All/Atman/Tao/Brahman etc. So he must have had mystical experiences. Also his telling of the myth of Er at the end of the Republic suggests he may have had astral events as well. Blaise PASCAL: eminent mathematician and scientist. Had a mystical experience at the age of 31. His inclusion is also dubious given that his eminence is derived almost exclusively from his scientific endeavors, which he completely abandoned following the mystical event. He devoted the rest of his life entirely to religious matters. Julius EVOLA: philosopher. Yes, there is a large element of mysticism in his works, and he wrote extensively about the spiritual traditions of both east and west, but he was able to apply this knowledge to far ranging fields, especially political philosophy. Had his first spiritual event at the age of 21. Can anybody name anyone else???

Um, if you posted advice, thank you, but plz, this tread is not about me at all, I'm just trying to provoke intelligent discussion on an unrelated topic so plz don't focus it back on me Maybe I;m awakened. Maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm on LSD. It doesn't matter. You can ignore anything and everything that I posted in the past, cause this thread is not about that. By awakening I guess ppl have different definitions, one person said its when it doesn't go away on its own but continues to screw with you regardless. My definition is when its severe enough it gets to the head, causing either altered states of consciousness or severe psychological problems that cannot be assigned to a usual psychiatric diagnosis (ie bipolar, schizo, depression, anxiety). This is also where theoretically there is the most benefit. Otherwise we might as well include everybody, since everyone "awakens" temporarily when they experience orgasm but it goes back down quickly and does not (usually) rise to the top. Maybe if you get a block or an imbalance you have mild symptoms but you definitely don't get profound realizations and visions like the historical figures I mentioned, especially if it came suddenly when they were previously normal (ie, Swedenborg, Pascal). Since we are talking largely about ppl in the past its difficult to attribute mental issues to spiritual causes so that basically leaves altered states of consciousness as the yard stick. So for instance someone said Newton, but Newton did not experience these states, at least not that we know of. His psychological issues are attributed to either bipolar disorder or heavy metal toxicity, but we don't know for sure since the diagnosis is retrospective. Same goes for Beethoven. Immanuel Kant is a good thought, IMO he is the most intelligent thinker the world has ever seen, along with Newton and Gauss. , He delineated the possibility of what is knowable in human terms, but did not go beyond that. Otherwise he would have attached more significance to the Kantian thing-in-itself and also realize that even the most profound knowledge is immediately knowable. The same goes for any philosopher, BTW. If there are many mystical themes in their writings, they most likely were awakened themselves, read works by others who were, or took drugs. So we know that guys like Plotinus, Hermes, Boehm, Meister Eckhart, von Nettesheim, and Crowley were awakened, but I have to exclude them since they did not venture much beyond this topic. Likewise, either because their works do not reflect transcendent themes, or demonstrate misunderstanding, we have to also omit eminent thinkers like Aristotle, Descartes, Leibniz, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Heidegger, and Russel. Merrell-Wolff I don't know anything about, thanks for bringing him to my attention. Just reading his page he sounds like a mystical philosopher so cannot be included. But if he was known for other things (like Evola) than we can add him. I hinted at that above when I said such people aren't necessarily concerned with external things. But regardless of who you are you still have to work or go to school and measure yourself up against others, even if you don't care about such things. So if you have an advantage from being kundalini awakened you really have no excuse to slack off and get C's when straight A's should come easily to you. Maybe that's true but we can't name them, and we don't really have ways of knowing

Thx for that suggestion. You thought it was a good thing you didn't sleep ? Damn man I poured toxic sedatives and even seizure medicines into my body for months in desperation to get rest, cause I was so agitated and twitching so bad. Hope I didn't suffer permanent damage. Damn kundalini, never up to any good. EDIT: thx for the tips re: shaking. I actually did that for 2 weeks a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure about continuing it though now that I'm back in the gym where pounding on the treadmill is almost as good lol.

Meh I used to use that stuff it sort of helped but damn ur right it smells like cheese rotting in dirty shoes. They say the odor actually builds up in the body if you use it for a couple of weeks so I got off of it ASAP I don't want to smell like that full time lol. Not really certain about the benefit of spasming though the same damn muscles have been doing it the same way for months now.

ana thx for that pic sin: its not a good thing at all it jolts me awake just when I'm in or approaching stage 1 sleep, it doesn't do anything beneficial to me it just deprives me of sleep for no reason. Thats why I want to bypass stage 1 sleep altogether and find ways to enter stage 2 or 3 directly if its possible.

Ive been drinking acai juice for years and I eat lots of berries. If you're looking for cheap effective antioxidants vitamin c is great, you can take many grams of it daily without any side effects. If you take too much your body just pees it out. I also take resveratrol, curcumin, and Zyflamend, which is a blend of several antioxidants. Regardless of what supplements you take, nothing beats regular exercise and healthy eating. I'd say that's 95% of what you need for good health. Vitamins are the other 5%.

Hey guys, I am curious if anybody has tried ibogaine to stop kundalini in its tracks and return themselves to their pre-K state ? Ibogaine is used to permanently cure drug addiction; from what I understand, it "resets" and "restores" the brain to a pre-addiction state. So I am curious if it can "restore" the brain and nervous system to a pre-kundalini state ? I found this article on the biology of kundalini website which speculates thus, although without empirical evidence: http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=IbogaineandShamanicRenewal I somehow managed to get kundalini unwillingly through only physical aerobic exercise (heavy running, biking) without any spiritual activity or drug use ever. I posted a couple of weeks ago here and got some helpful advice from certain members, and I have improved slowly, but I suddenly worsened a few days ago and I had to resume taking Valium. At first I wanted to go with it, who knows, everybody says K is a good thing, but no, its given me nothing but shit so I want it dead and gone. The insomnia really sucks and I have heat in my lower back, fire in my chest, warmth in the left side of my body, and twitching, buzzing, and vibrating everywhere including the head. Not to mention freaky altered states and bad pressure headaches. I am not a spiritual person in the slightest, just a normal dude with normal ambitions like making money and chasing women. I don't want to deal with spiritual things which can take a long time and is not guaranteed to work, so I'm looking for a one time, quick, permanent fix. What can be better than taking one dosage of ibogaine and going back to my old self, if it works ?? And I don't want it EVER coming back. But I don't want to do it if it permanently fucks me up instead of curing me ! So is there anybody else out there with prior experience with ibogaine and kundalini ? Also what about using LSD or shrooms? I have never used drugs myself, although I do know that sometimes drug use can trigger kundalini in the first place. But I am wondering about its effects in a person with an already awakened K.... will it cause the process to speed up so it ends sooner ? In cardiology we sometimes use a strategy called "overdrive pacing", that is, treating a person with a fast heart beat (tachyarrhythmia) by pacing their heart so that it beats even faster; this "overwhelms" the heart and will actual result in a slower heart rate overall in response. So is it correct for me to speculate that similar will happen if a K awakened person takes LSD or shrooms ? Has anybody ever had any experiences with this? Thanks.

EEG morphology during REM is similar to being awake, it is high in frequency. It's actually kind of similar to light stage 1 sleep if anything, you see alpha waves in both. Heck you can even have primitive dreams (hypnagogic imagery) during light sleep. Interestingly, both stage 1 sleep and REM sleep are associated with spiritual states.

I am assuming by "power sleeping" you are referring to power napping, which is the common term for stage 1 sleep. The deepest sleep (formerly called stage 4) is slow wave sleep which is associated with delta waves on EEG.

Oh and I'd like to add that 7 hours is only a good AVERAGE, but there is no "one size fits all". Some people are naturally short sleepers, while others are long. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15600221 So you should sleep according to how much time YOUR body needs. If you are naturally a long sleeper, then you NEED 9+ hours a night; getting "only" 7 might be bad for you, like in my own personal case. Also, while extremes of sleep duration have been associated with increased mortality, this may be due to confounding variables and not necessarily direct cause and effect. For instance, many chronic diseases cause tiredness and fatigue and thus increase sleep time. Since chronic diseases have a high prevalence in the general population, and they generally reduce life expectancy, we can expect to find an association between mortality and increased sleep duration. But the latter in this case does not directly cause the former; if you take normal people without chronic disease and force them to oversleep, I highly doubt this will directly decrease their longevity. "Power" sleep is stage 1 alpha sleep only. It is light sleep best used to recharge during the day and is not a substitute for deep, slow wave, delta sleep. This is when the body and mind really rest.

I get a lot of heat in the heart and top of my head spontaneously, also the back to a lesser extent. I have no idea what it's doing but Im almost certain it's not good for my health. Id be careful playing with this stuff. Too much heat is directly neurotoxic (kills your brain cells)

Before I had kundalini problems I easily slept 10 hours a night if not more. I love sleep. But after k for a couple of months I slept only 3 or 4 and was hooked on sleeping pills. it was miserable. Now I'm getting 7-8 but i still want more. Traditionally 8 hours is recommended but mortality studies usually demonstrate that around 7 is optimal for longevity. Sleeping more than 9 hours or less than 5 is associated with higher mortality rates. See this meta analysis http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864873/?tool=pmcentrez Sleeping only three hours is hazardous and can directly trigger psychological problems like bipolar mania in succeptable people.

Hi people ! I suddenly improved again the last three days and managed to get off sedating medication for kundalini (again). So I'm not thinking about terminating it anymore at this point, but another problem has taken its place which is quite frankly embarrassing. I'm wondering if anybody here has experience with this and can offer any solutions. I've always been hypersexual. Sex, hitting on girls, thinking of sex, watching porn, whatever, it's a major, MAJOR part of my life. I dont recall ever losing interest in sex, even after working the overnight shift and being dead tired I'm always up for some action. Heck even when im finished I want more ! And I'm okay with it cause it's the way I always have been since I was a kid, yes, a kid. When I started having kundalini problems a year ago my sex drive did not change at first. But then a couple of weeks ago I started having intense heat in various parts of my body, and one night I felt it going past my heart, like a river of fiery lava which pierced it. Ever since that one moment my sex drive has plummeted. It happened practically instantly; the very next day I found myself simply not interested in women anymore ! At first I didn't care too much cause I was still dealing with other symptoms like insomnia and agitation, but now that these are disappearing (at least for the last few days ), I'm really starting to notice the loss of libido. When I'm out and I encounter hot girls, I immediately approach them and try to get their number, my head swirling in lust. But now I just walk past them altogether, and sometimes I don't even notice the women around me. I tried looking at porn, but I found it boring. WTF?!! I used to be able to sit for hours enthralled at the endless throng of hot women dancing across the screen. I have NEVER in my life found porn boring. But now it's simply not as pleasurable anymore, and a lot of the lust in my mind is gone. They say men think about sex every seven seconds, but I have hardly thought of it at all the last few weeks. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbPN2gOsil_k&v=bPN2gOsil_k&gl=US I know some of you think this may be desirable, but I'm a single guy in my 20's and i absolutely need my sexual powers functioning at 100%. Right now I have heat in the head and heart. I speculate that sexual energy is being diverted to those areas, so there is less energy left over for actual sex. So I tried to combat this by imagining energy going out of my head and heart and into the lower abdomen and sex organs. It actually worked the first time I tried this a couple of days ago, and the lust and pleasure returned. But the next day it disappeared again and this trick no longer works. So now what do I do ? Any ideas ? Thanks guys !

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re: ana, kev ehhh.... I hear what you guys are saying and appreciate the kind words but really this kind of life is not for me. I don't want to keep bitching more cause it looks bad so I'll shut up for now. I tried this weird trick halfheartedly this morning that may just have worked, I can't get too excited yet until I reproduce it full-scale... I'll try it again and let you guys know what happened.

heh, you got that one right. That actually kind of makes sense, thanks for explaining it to me like you did. But before that weird heart thing happened if I go days without action the desire goes up and up??? Anyway, I'm gonna work myself up and get some action Not sure about skipping physical exercise though that's really important to me, not fit = no action

thelerner: thx for explaining that to me. That sounds a lot like one of my earlier symptoms, "racing thoughts", damn that was horrible one of the worse symptoms you can have IMO. Glad that one's gone! And I know this sounds blasphemous but I don't really have any spiritual goals I had zero spiritual dimension in my life prior to this. Dude I'm in my mid 20's I wanna enjoy fine things in life not look at it with the attitude of a prude or an old man. jconnar: until very recently I was able to do it many times a day and still can't get enough. Hell if I skip even one day I feel turbocharged, my head filled with lust. Going a week without is like torture. But I haven't done it for the last week and I feel so bland and boring since the desire is just not there. Help!!!

Ummmm..... its not just libido thats going down, my overall capacity to feel pleasure and appreciate things is down too, like I just don't give a damn all of a sudden. For instance today I was out and saw this nice expensive sports car on the road, but I basically ignored it. In the past I would have been like, hot damn what a sweet ride, I wonder how much $$$ it is, oh that engine sounds so smooooooth, etc. But today I would not even have noticed it if somebody else didn't point the car out to me. I was also at a restaurant eating some pretty delicious food; usually I like to eat slowly and savor such things, but today I found myself just wolfing everything down and not caring about taste or texture. So what the hell is going on with me? I know my kundalini energy level is not "low", hell its burning up my head and heart as I speak, but its not doing anything beneficial to me being in those areas. Its not like I suddenly got smarter by its presence in my head, quite the opposite; my intelligence has decreased greatly. That's also bothering the hell out of me; I used to have a super sharp and inquisitive intellect; my mind is always darting from here to there, thinking, contemplating, wondering. If anything is interesting or out of the ordinary I would immediately notice it and think about it, and damn can I think deeply. But now I kind of just stare ahead of me oblivious of my surroundings like I don't give a damn about anything. Will these things come back to me one day? Seriously it would suck so bad if this were permanent. Why live if you can't enjoy life??? Isn't K supposed to be the life force, not the force of boring, bland listlessness ??? Jetsun, it was over-exercise which caused my K in the first place. I am gradually resuming my routine. What meditation are you talking about ? Usually I wouldn't do this but if it can make me feel pleasure and sex again I'd do it. I wouldn't think it would be complicated either cause as I said earlier I imagined energy draining from the head and heart back down to the sexual organs, and it worked, but only once. Maybe I'm doing it wrong the second time? Chicks are NOT digging my energy, hell if anything this kundalini process directly led to the loss of my job, my ability to make $$$, and my social position, so it makes it tough with women. Stop jerking my rope? Uh its kind of tough to start these days Whats a mind monkey? Thanks guys.

I dunno if this is connected to your friend's issue but I had major problems with my neck it keeps spasming when I try to fall asleep, waking me up, total pain in the ass. This was ever since I had kundalini problems, also had chronic insomnia too ever since. Ironically taking sleeping pills makes it worse. But the neck problem seemed to get better somewhat on its own although its still not 100% yet. Its still a mystery to me. Hope ur friend gets better.

Deleted long rant. Anyway, if I can kill this thing with a single dose of medication then YES I'm all for it. I just want to hear about others' experience first. Cause as I said before, although I want a permanent cure, I DO NOT want permanent side effects that will makes things even more miserable. So please if anybody out there has tried ibogaine, LSD, or shrooms, or know of somebody who has, in order to get rid of kundalini, please do share. I am looking for people who have never used drugs BEFORE kundalini, only afterward. I know it might stimulate kundalini and exacerbate it in the short term, but I am speculating it may cause it to burn out quicker in the long run. Like, if you are traveling at 5 mph it will take forever to empty the gas tank. But if you put the pedal to the metal and go at 200 mph, you burn up the fuel and end things quickly. So I am willing to suffer a short term exacerbation if it makes the k burn out quickly so I don't have to deal with this shit in the long run. Thanks.

Magic, anavatma: I hear what you guys are saying, maybe it won't return me exactly normal like I was before this started, but won't it speeden things up ? Like if you have a skin abscess (a boil), you can either wait for it to drain out (painful and can take a while ), or you can just poke it with a needle and drain it instantly (very painful at that instant but it goes away fast)... End result is the same but one is quicker. Might Ibogaine do the same ? Intensify it briefly but then it settles down quickly too ? They claim kundalini eventually gets better and you reach a state of awesomness, but I'd rather get to that state quickly even if it means extreme short term agony. Cause it would suck to only arrive at that state after many years of prolonged, chronic suffering. I'd rather be a thousandaire in my twenties than a Nobel prize winning enlightened billionaire in my eighties.

Hey guys, Thanks for the responses, but please let me gently remind you guys I am looking specifically at chemical cures, ibogaine, LSD, shrooms (psilocybin) in this thread and any experiences you guys may have had with them when you are already suffering kundalini. I received plenty of helpful general advice elsewhere in other threads already. Sorry to have to be rough ! DNB: well, its been there for a year now and not going away. Yes it is changing, but its going from one bad to another bad, not from bad to good, except in the last 2 weeks there was some improvement but then the last few days I got worse again.