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Oh its gets better when you tango, and dance and play! Especially when there be good music, a wonderful floor and enriching rewards for each and all... So what moves your spirit your mind and your body at this time?

Thank you ! Somehow what you asked enabling me to see something anew, something that been happening to me now makes a bit more sense. To answer the question: No, its to be a revelation of sorts that exposes what be in such a way that it clarifies what follows! Let me explain a bit more what I meant by seeing something anew. I had been concerned with instances where what I stated in a conversation was followed by silence and now I see that it had a lot to do with " a single voice of truth sufficing to direct and constrain slanderous ways by exposing the truth of the matter". Again thank you for enabling me to see this situation anew and with a different perspective on it. As I mentioned yesterday I need to be more careful when presenting stuff to ensure that what follows enables following the dance... have to go right now will be back to mention something about reincarnation... likely in a new topic thought will come here afterwards to provide the link from here to there...

Well yes indeed ... some stuff taken to the extreme can lead to undesirable consequences ...some stuff taken to the extreme can lead to wonderful consequences ... One that has been on my mind lately has been tolerance... I wonder why the tolerant need to tolerate the intolerant instead of just forcing everyone to be tolerant... :-) BTW peaceful abiding taken to the extreme can take place within desirable consequences. The peaceful can have means to respond to violence with peaceful ways which directs and transforms violence into peaceful ways always. In principle it works in practice its a bit more of a challenge for the time being... though soon that will change once and for all! Soon a single voice of truth will suffice to direct and constrain slanderous ways by exposing the truth of the matter. Individuals will then choose and determine if they accept or reject the truth of the matter, though this is far from determining or changing the truth of the matter. Well thats what I believe... time will tell if this come to be...

oh I sort of came up with a nifty test to help determine how to be... somewhat independent of individual desires... based on the principle of giving each abundantly what they want to make everyone happy... Whatever the way it needs to be sustainable-desirable-congruent with the way of life. say there is a dispute about smoking vs not smoking in a room... if its based on what individuals want its difficult to settle the dispute. We could vote and let the stronger dominate the weaker or the more influential determine what to do. If we resort to the rules for the room we just move the dispute up to whomever determines the rules rather than figuring out a way to do it amongst ourselves. Now if we use the nifty test. Evidently everyone smoking in a room will cause the air to become toxic and kill those there while not smoking in a room will cause the air to remain healthier and allow those there to live longer. So it becomes a rather simple resolution 'kill' the smokers and protect the non-smokers. This nifty test give each what they want though not necessarily the way they thought about it.

I certainly have issues with undermining credibility of me... that in the future I better effectively deal with in constructive ways to ensure better outcomes. I have plenty of examples of being put down because of the form followed (regardless of me being right or shall I say dew to the fact of me being right). Generally I am not really concerned with what people think/feel of what be right or wrong...for what be be what be and some individuals love it while others hate it, me I am more concerned with just understanding correctly what be going on and what ought to be going on... This likely has a lot to do with adaptations to dyslexic compensational abilities that enable an alternative perspective that turns out to twist the twisted just so that one get it straight / right. This can be a blessing and a curse wrapped into the same thing. There is a joke about a concerned wife who call her husband on the cellphone because radio news report "beware there be a driver going the wrong way on the highway"... the husband respond "honey the news got it wrong, I am on that highway and everyone else is going the wrong way"... :-) now imagine the situation where the husband was right! You are right the distinction I use regarding the duality or non duality with the words I use may be missed by the reader while they make up their own story of what the words mean. I think I mentioned earlier that the absolute meaning of a word stems from its use... sometimes in a conversation... what was said be the key, sometimes it be what was perceived then sometimes its a derived combination of the two. To complicate things a bit more individuals can change the distinction they use and these may actually change from one instant to the other. Its actually rather fascinating. Once I got and read half a book thinking it was about 'addictive thinking' only to discover it was actually about 'addictions'. Finished reading it using the notion that ideas are addictive substances... Actually rather fascinating. BTW the 'be' construct I use does not consider using the negative ... there are three options 1 "what be" 2 "what is" 3 "what is not". To use a different singular construct that I like to use conider the distinctions up-down and upward. The first two are dualistic in nature and constitute each other the third isn't. Yea I know that there is such thing as downward but if we look at the definition of downward we see its basically the same as upward. As you mention I ought to consider carefully how best to share what I seek to share to ensure sharing it in a credible effective enjoyable way. BTW I have sort of a pet-peeve with Shakespeare's "to be or not to be" ... "to be or not to be is not the question... how to be be the question... again will work on how to generate interest into what I state...

Stosh, I can say it wrong, you can read it wrong and we can still manage to actually communicate (without even realizing the existence of the individual errors)! Sorry about the typo, FWIIW, was thinking of you when I wrote it :-) Yes if things are worded well, its easier to find agreements... if thats what we want! One of the hardest things form me involved realizing that the absolute meaning of a word stems from their use. So when one thinks it one uses it, when one writes it one uses it, when one reads it one uses it, when one remembers it one uses it and every time its absolute meaning stems from the particular instance. As you point out rarely does one actually do the work to validate if the message one got corresponds to the message sent... we just assume we got it right and proceed with that... confident that any relevant errors will just be worked out latter on... Then again many relationships and disagreements have misconceptions that affect their development because stuff never gets worked out... A new direction can stem from discovering something unknown to us--- though known to others which whom we happen to agree with. Thus we did not already hold it to be correct or incorrect we simply did not hold it at all. The point is that ANYONE ... can point to a new direction of wisdom if we pay attention... Those we disagree with, those we agree with, those we don't even know... An underlying point: why cultivate the 'negative' notion of disagreement? Thanks for pointing out "such a presentation appears to indicate a rather rigid mindset". Indeed its frustrating to me that some think of me as rather rigid minded when in fact its rather the other way around :-) the facts would revel who be open minded and who be rigid :-). Congratulations on picking upon and asking about my particular use of the word 'is'! Glad you asked about this. In a nut shell, the reasons about my particular use stems from learnings about e-prime language and a particular distinction I presently like to use. Basically English-prime refers to english without the verb 'to be'. I like to distinguish between the duality "is-isn't" and the singularity 'be'. If we explore deeper into this there exist all sort of ramification. Without the verb 'to be' statements become less rigid and more inviting to exploration. In e-prime one can not state 'the grass is green' one has to resort to something like "I see the grass green" or "the grass appears green from this point of view". The particular distinction I now use for 'is-isn't' and 'be' just seemed appropriate. I know that statements can seem a bit awkward thought still be quite understandable. I have the idea that when one knows 'what be' one knows "what is and what isn't" though when one knows "what is" one may still ignore "what be". For example when one knows what be the truth one can determine what is true and what is false, though when one knows what is the lie one still may ignore what be the truth. Hope this helps clarify and explain a bit my use of the words. BTW another word you will rarely see me use is "try"... or 'easy' ... because the first involves expectation of failure and the second diminished the accomplishment or increases the frustration... If you do something easy there is no real challenge for the accomplishment but if you do not do what was easy just imagine what will happen when something is hard? Here try to do something easy like try to stand up... now just do it... If you are standing up you failed to follow the instructions and I can assure you that for some standing up is quite an accomplishment quite hard to attain. Again thanks for the opportunity to clarify some points... will now work on how to make presentations that indicate unequivocally the mindsets being employed as well as the material.

Seems to imply the existence of different hierarchical positions ... fist, second, third etc... consider that ... out of compassion for others we ought to position ourselves next to them and help them know feel experience better stuff ... Hope the readers see the actual intention of this post instead of choosing to embrace something else... But hey do as you wish :-)

Hi Nikolai, Some use their present existence to argue about not existing ... I say use their present existence to exist fully! This self has an issue with those who propose the illusion of self. The I am presence in me declares that the ego, like the mind, the body, the spirit be vehicles to care, develop, maintain. and more... To those who propose the believe that i should deny itself (by claiming the I is an illusion), I would say, that they fallen for the illusion of development that keeps them from developing. What be ironic is that they would likely say that I be a victim of the illusion that keeps me from developing. Personally I find these illusions entertaining, though I find the realities more rewarding. So what do we want to focus on and cultivate? this or that illusion OR this and that REALITY! It may well be that I be dreaming the dream of me and you being real and need to awaken, then again maybe this dream is actually real and determines once and for all what each chooses to be for evermore... I say, be it a dream, be it real, always choose the better way, and make the experience the perfect experience! Why would one be concerned if one come to an impasse of personal demise, after that moment one be no more ... be concerned if one comes to an impasse and freely chooses to be no more, rather than to be a bit more... this means to always strive to love, care, develop, maintain, learn, grow, live a bit more... rather than cease to be altogether. Note that "chooses to be no more" is quite different different from 'choose to be what one currently is"... recognize and keep this distinction. Thinking that "chooses to be no more" refers to "appreciate and be contempt to be what one be by choosing to keep it rather than trading if for something else" distracts the thinker from the intended meaning. There are many ways to view stuff some of these will help you see with clarity and some will obscure the point by appearing to clarify something else. Know what be and what can be always choosing the better ways to be.

Stoch, Your response reminded me of a dialogue I had a while back... I used to believe that sharing identical copies was impossible ( inevitably we will see things unalike). Then I reluctantly realized that that belief kept me from sharing identical copies and was actually just based on a belief I just liked to hold. I learned (developed the knowledge) about belief languages and translating between them, among other stuff. You are sort of correct (and wrong) when you claim that it "...doesnt mean I need you , or you need me,to view things alike". You are right, We could have an enriching conversation each talking about different stuff each submerged in their own subjective stuff of reality. Its also true that we do not need the other to see it as we see it for the interaction, to be fruitful. Then again if someone is going to comment on what I think about something they first have to ensure to be thinking what I think about it. One of the funniest arguments (and most absurd) is when A attempts to tell B they know what B is thinking without first validating it with B. For the record and clarity sake know this has little to do with our interactions. BTW, anyone ... can point to a new direction of wisdom if we pay attention... I see much agreement in what you wrote and what I think. In fact I enjoy what you posted quite a bit... WFIIW the result of the state of flux can be quite certain even though we be wondering and pondering about it. I too am quite ok with certain uncertainty. By now you probably perceive that I like to put for certain notions, often a bit challenging towards what others state... I like putting stuff on the table and then each taking what be better...

The best way to realize this state? be the best way to realize this state... only to be known when one realizes the state! even before being born, we be one with the Tao, regardless of knowing it or not... there are beginnings with no ends... such be the state of enlightenment... and existence! I assume that when one become one with the Tao one will know the truth of beginnings, ends, and a bit more... there will be association with a real births and imagined ones...

For me, How one lives is how one dies! What makes some believe that they would actually choose a different path upon the bifurcation the last moment in time when throughout time they choose a certain way? If stuff needs changing change it now! To me death is like birth, a transitional moment from one state to the next surrounded by loving beings. To get rid of fear of the inevitable, just accept the peace of the certain with love. Like in life, circumstances present themselves over which one has little control, at most one can choose the attitude one will have... and than makes all the difference! So now what attitude do you choose to live with? How do you prepare to have it throughout circumstances? Something that has helped me involves Imagining taking stuff to the infinite and seeing how it plays out... and eye for an eye can make us all blind or make us all see... depending on wether we take it or give it... If someone slaps you in the face will you respond the invitation to slap them back or will you choose to turn the other cheek? I know many here have the ability to flow with the blow before contact is made to transform it into a loving caress! We are bound to judge while free to choose how to do it... so choose loving caring merciful ways! We are bound to love while free to choose what to love... so pick love rather than hate We are forced to believes while free to choose the beliefs that will enslave us... so select the truth that frees rather than the illusion of freedom... Know that death will eventually die forevermore... just as life will eventually live forevermore ...

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"the phraseology you used there , makes no sense to me " Thank you for phrasing it like that... To clarify what I intended to state: I see two stories being told 1- what seems to be because it be (the true story) 2- what seems to be because it just seems like what be (the false story) It can be difficult to distinguish one from the other, its difficult to know if the story be the truth or a lie. I would like for each to see what be... (I would like me to see what be clearly though recognize that it may be impossible to know for sure) its vital that everyone choose what be the better way independent of what it seem. In other words its important to choose the right way independent of knowing it or ignoring which is which... I observe so many seems so certain of uncertain things :-) in fact making them wonder and ponder gets them all worked up...

I want all good things and only good stuff! I want to be wise, and rich, and loving and peaceful and strong and gentle. I want my children and others to learn what be right and do what be right always. Red Cloud's richness hides in Red Cloud's ignorance... for he is richer than the richness of the land and the sea which others want to posses and exploit rather than share and enrich cultivating peace, love, understanding and more ...

Dear brother, from a loving brother sharing this experience Look at what you teach in the words you state? 'destroy Human Ego Self', 'do not care about anymore', 'seeking emptiness in order to reach God-Self' ... I would rather cultivate human ego self into a caring being who attains fullness with God (and with Self) dancing and playing while making the dream real here and now... The illusion of awakening be just another dream state and we be here and now for a reason and a purpose which be to love and care for it all. To dream divine dreams, one has to To dream divine dreams... and one can do that while totally recognizing and educating our human ego to truly love... as the divine love. The real illusion is that one can reach God-Self without God's help. Yes we are descendent from God and can call out to God though it is up to God and His grace to help us reach Him or come to where we be. The only lesson which needs to be learned for each and all be to love! We can do that in a dream, while awake, within a story we tell, within a thought, feeling, experience. With Love all the other lessons are just subsets of this lesson. With Love compassion and forgiveness come naturally. Being awake or asleep being a child, a parent, at work, at home, at play, at the mountain top, in the city, rich, poor, wise or a fool become opportunities which one and others can caringly direct towards cultivating love... I do understand that some cultivate other possibilities and play 'useless' games in the universal scheme of things. We in the now play games of creation ... for we create stuff with our thoughts, words, actions, feeling, dreams and 'illusiones'. Some humans like to play to be gods rather than just being what and who they are... Some believe the human ego self will be destroyed in the end for every human in the world sooner or later and then some believe that the human ego self will survive the end of ends thanks to divine intervention and live forevermore as anew eternal beginning begins. Evidently the human ego self pointed to here will be the full realization that the divine intended for the human ego self ... all loving humble caring merciful wise awake grateful playful happy... and other divine attributes... of Saints. Be it a dream be it for real always choose the better way to be... Love cultivate care be with God and others in enriching interchanges! your brother

Why seek to wake up from the dream rather than fully experience it? Yea I get it that the dream has become a nightmare where the dreamer believes they can only escape it by awakening, rather than realizing and learning to dream divine dreams only. Why seek emptiness and the denial of self when it is possible to acknowledge self and the fullness of being? When one wills to be, the will of the creator, one both chooses what one desires and what God desires. Besides if you awaken rather than realizing and learning the dream lesson you will re-experience it until you realize and learn the lesson. Children like to play and lear. They will enjoy the most a good fun games... it is just that they still have to imagine such games and thats where some adults can help, if they know how to play nice fun games... imagine the possibilities... the good ones... Even if one seeks to abandon and deny self ... one will be with self for a long time so its much better to educate and care for each being. You are force to believe while free to choose what to believe, choose wisely for while all believe enslave some allow free actions.

The way not to think of an apple is to think of an elephant! The more you try to 'forget a memory' the stronger the memory gets... thus work at remembering something else... acknowledge what happening and choose to focus on what you want to happen. The way to will the clouds away ... ... isn't to send them energy rays to vanish and evaporate them clouds ... its to will a clear sky... and just experience the clear sky. if you doubt for an instant and want to check if them clouds have vanished they will be there once again... Just remember that its best not to mess with the weather... just wish the perfect experience always

Somehow I happened to get here and thought to join and share some notions... hope individuals find my contributions enriching ... and challenging... I welcome the challenges to jointly explore whatever topic in cordial ways... hope others also seek to do the same...

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or one could live by the river in a nice warm luxurious hut with all sort of niceties... with a fleet of enriching bodies... living off the royalties of the stories one created... Now I better get back to writing that book I been thinking about for the past years :-)

isn't it interesting how subtle we say and cultivate things without being fully aware of what we cultivate? What be the stories we cherish and give life to? Shall we serve them a fish or teach them how to fish? This time we need to take them one more step and educate them into cultivating the fish in abundant, sustainable and caring ways. That they and other will always have fish to catch and have... then again maybe we ought to do something else which safeguards the subsistence of the noble ways once and for all... "Finding the means to meaningfully relate to 'others'" in certain situation seems so complicated ... I know that there are free lunches, and dinners and breakfasts especially for good story tellers ... I also know that someone has to pay the bill ... one way or another... that some are willing and able to pay for anther to have them tell 'the stories'... or be with them. Still some resort to lies, extorting, cunning and hunting around for prey to feed upon while others resort to more enriching ways of cultivation : sowing, feeding, sharing cultivating richness in themselves and others through collaboration and synergies. I am aware that even though doing good cost less than doing bad, some prefer the higher told, because it will be payed by someone else... and thats all they know... what they do not get is that they will have to pay for someone's else higher toll themselves and may even run out of prey! I am rambling a bit here seeking to pin down some stuff because I see two stories being told and what I would like is for each to see what be... a perfect singularity to choose. I do realize that what seems to be because it be and what seems to be because it just seems like what be can be difficult to distinguish one from the other still its vital that everyone choose what be the way independent of what it seem. Thanks for the opportunity to share this space with each and everyone of you... may everyone prosper in the adventure and choose to enjoy the ride...

how about setting a time in advance...

Stosh Well the idea is to have the cake, eat the cake and still have it all ... including a slim body, an agile mind and valiant spirit! The notion that one has to suffer to enjoy, to me stems from those who choose suffering rather than enjoyment. By the same token the idea that what one has done justifies what follows to me distracts from appreciating the gifts one holds that stem from love... which can only be given or accepted never demanded nor bought. I do comprehend how those who love will choose to venture into all sort of stuff to show those there the way of love. Just as I understand how those who love will suffer because those who suffer choose the suffering ways rather than loving ways. Still I believe possible for a perfect singularity where only good exists and it suffices to learn all that needs learning and experience all thats worth experiencing. Sometimes the richest most rewarding experiences exists as part of the simplest of actions of being... before enlightenment chop wood carry water after enlightenment chop wood carry water for enlightenment can happen even when one chops wood carries water

Yea sometimes teaching the teachers something new is the hardest thing to do... especially when the student is right on about he lesson and the teacher is out in the blue... I was quite fortunate to have met a friend who showed me that the student be the ones who ultimately choose what to learn from what the teacher show them. The good teachers find a way to show the material in a way that the students will find and choose to learn what the teacher presents... I got that the constant factor involves presenting the message in a way that is understandable though thats the esoteric catch 22... Those who know need no explanation to know (or andy explanation will do) while those who do not know no explanation will suffice to get them to know Still it is possible to come to know what one does not know...