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One more clue is how people were dancing to that type of music, the mosh pit style. People just dropped inhibitions and danced similarly to bushman shaking or spontaneous hopping around, and since it was a big group, people just mashed into each other. Normally when you get hit or slam into someone like that, they get angry or feel a bit bruised, but it was just the accepted then, and part of the fun. So the audience were all participating some kind of spontaneous gong. It was such a positive atmosphere, the antethesis of violence, ego, and the practised dance moves people do to just look good.

I didnt read your topic or I wouldnt have posted mine "nirvana and transmission" which ended with the same "and transmission", but its a cool coincidence. I dont know these schools, but probably you are on to something. Perhaps tranmission by un-thought of sources is really the topic du jour.

I am talking from the point of view of a cultivator keen on making progress by detaching from desires. Not everyone uses this method and its ok, there are other ways to cultivate. You may not even want to cultivate, but just adhere to a useful philosophy, in which case my opinion is not relevant at all, because it would be foregoing something in life for no reason. I have friends who love money, prestige material items, sex with hot girls, fame, etc. I would not suggest to give up an opportunity, because if they are not on the spiritual path, theres no point. There are lots of people here who are kind of in between, and thats why there's varying opinions, they find a level that suits them. Milarepa sat in a cave for years and ate nothing but nettles. Thats real austerity, and he knew that it would help him advance, otherwise he would have not bothered. The big mistake is treating a cultivation method as a life philosophy, like as in Catholics force certain behaviors to their adherents, even though the chance of their reaching enlightenment is fairly nill. Either you understand and utilize the method in life and meditation, or just find some useful philosophical balance such that is voiced by some others on the thread. The mechanism is not that evident, even though its pretty simple, requires practise and observation of self in meditation.

I dont know if this model is particularly apt for Taoists or cultivators. Are there is any "true desire" lying there in the dust of your mind amid the clutter of programmed desires. Its all desire, even deep subconscious wishes are desires and to be treated as useful or useless attachments according to one's path. Some desires can help one make spiritual progress. One can say that the true desire is to attain the Tao, evolve, become enlightened--but the same words can evoke either deep spiritual feeling for some or just some superficial greed (to get something) for others. People who are not moved by spirituality are generally not on the path for long. I notice that females tend to express what they covet and greedily desire as "dreams" or "wishes", which is nice, but its still going to cause all the problems like other attachments. Wish or dream has some imagination and emotional charge to it, that is not necessarily going to help. When I emotionally charge a wish I wish for nothing, when I hope I hope for hopeless. It seems a bit lunatic, but this is how I can generate the well-being associated with a closer relation to the Tao.

Thumbs up for Wayfarer's response. You might first task yourself with understanding and perceiving/feeling the difference between lower mind (commonly called ego) thoughts and being in the space of higher mind. I have found that contemplating renouncing the individual self, surrendering all possible thoughts feelings, inclinations mentally, while at the same time being very quiet in meditation, and continue this practice of generating state of surrender, this opens up a space of the higher mind. This practice may not work for everyone, as everyone has their individual challenges and degree of insight, but it works for me. Further I think the higher mind influences or bridges with the ego mind in degree, not as on or off. So we commonly can perceive a sage by how they speak, and we can recognize the degree of ego-centricity in someones speech and demeanor. So the point is how to increase the influence of the higher mind on ones normal function ego mind. Of course there are people who merely copy the speech and actions and mimic it, but fakers always trip up somewhere. This is not our concern here except to watch out for fake in yourself. When I am in meditation I am closer to higher mind, when I'm out walking around amid people I am stuck in my everyday ego.

Actually I remember Max saying one can charge the energy with intent, or use it to manifest. I gather that this is not really emphasized because it is low level compared to using the energy for ones enlightenment. Further, K1 is meant to be an intent-free practise so that the energy is allowed to flow in greater abundance. It is well known that ego-intent blocks free flowing energy. While there is a qi-ball build up, (I feel this with my hands) I gather that the energy is more akin to magnetism, surrounds the person, and also inter-dimensional, so its not just about putting qi-balls into dantiens. It could be more complicated, but at the same time more simple, as it will just dissipate on its own. As far as the haunting issues, I followed them as they cropped up and my conclusion is that they were latent psychological issues with the particular person, or creative mis-interpretation of somewhat ephemeral sense data, put together with other coincidental happenings. There's a whole litany of shoulds and shouldnts in the practise, but ghosts are not part. If I were fearful, I would mentally ask the lineage ancestors for protection. If this were really an issue the Maoshan Grandmaster would probably have told Jenny Lamb when he transmitted the practise to her, and she would've done the same. I know many people afraid to meditate because they have been told that they will attract entities, scared of Kundalini because of the kriyas. This is just another similar item along this vein. Nevertheless, its nice to see your contribution "Disabled" Cool stuff!

To Manitou. The antidote to anger is full honest deep surrender. Imagine yourself in the yoga "child's pose" surrendering your with point of view, your logic, your hurt, etc, to the other person or the universe. Equanimity is the result. Suddenly the ego has nothing to hold on to because you have surrendered it. The pain that the ego causes you disappears. To go from anger to indifference one first surrenders.

"The Biology of Kundalini" ebook was not written by a doctor or scientific researcher with credential, as such full of flights of fancy in an attempt to match current knowledge with Kundalini.

I've practised Kunlun 1 with a full on K-awakening for about 4 years headen on now. I dont have much to say about it that others could find useful except I ain't dead. I think your observations are too incomplete or unique to your constitution, to draw any conclusions from, except you ain't dead. But that's a good thing.

I got really affected by the solar flares lately too, emotions up and down. Its amazing how the house of cards collapses. What are we doing here on earth? Growing and dying, thats about it. My head gets pulled back when I meditate, so evenually I'd be fighting against energy and end up with my head looking at the ceiling. This is why I nearly always meditate laying down. I do a 2 hour meditation mid-day, not to ground, but to go deep as possible so the energies can really got to work. Its opposite of grounding because after a 2 hour deep trance, ones entire day is going to be partly meditating. I ground doing exercise and yoga. Your life doesnt seem much different from mine. Im just plodding along

Truman Capote "Breakfast at Tiffany's" in this bilingual French edition.

Idle thoughts and little daily encounters are what I'm concerned about lately too, not high falutin' secret neigong. There places where one can put one's mind, relatively free from ego, and that is as we all know, in the now, the moment. But also subduing self-referential thoughts, and idle criticisms is important. Idle compliments (that person has a nice ironed shirt) are relatively free from ego because it notices, it approves, it allows. In Chinese the word good also means yes.

There are many meditations based on what you are saying, imagining that everything is energy, oneself and beyond. It comes down to how much you do, and the quality of how you are holding these thoughts and feelings. Saying it outloud "we are all energy" once is not the same as walking down a nature path for an hour while holding the images and feelings of your being of the same energy as everything else. Its all mental constructs and little tricks of emotion or mind, but that is how the meditation works, thats what we've got to work with. Seeing energy is not as useful as feeling energy, but I totally agree with the ability to become one's own guru given either of the two abilities. Feeling energy, one can understand whats happening interior of self; seeing, is looking outside, at other people and things, and thats not as useful data. Looking outside one can easily get distracted from the main goal of self-evolution. Feeling inside is a constant reminder to cultivate.

People, students, run into trouble when they interpret teachings as if they were Gospel, or the Tao itself whispered into their ears. Teachings are linear as ideas formed as language then compressed into pithy sentences, full of assumptions and exclusions, hopefully understood in context, but often taken out of context and assumptions or exclusions. Clearly the ascetics went too far and misinterpreted the ancients, and in their zeal added things that would be detrimental to their spiritual evolution or understanding of how things work.

Much of my practice is a form of "mindfulness of relaxation", or a kind of mindfulness of something where progressive relaxation is the secondary purpose. The thing is, one is mainly on the threshold of consciousness, while not falling into dream consciousness. The idea is that the bar moves as one gets more used to sitting on the line between conscious and dream. Eventually it becomes easier to maintain a state of conscious awareness. Yogis do fall asleep ocassionally, and pop back up. Its not sinful. Its easy to get back into a meditation state from there even though the sleep temporarily ruins the high energy flow of deep meditation. The advantage to this type of meditation versus a stronger clinging to alertness is a quicker entry to a deeper state, because one's mind is looser, and thus a greater amount of energy flows. I think the disadvantage is that its easy to cheat oneself or one's teacher and think that sleep is meditation.

Have you read Bodri and Nan's big book on measuring meditations? I seem to remember it explains about how qi penetrates and cleans,and some of the sensations concerning organs. But it might otherwise fill in some of the holes in your knowlege of physiological phenomena of spiritual evolution. Personally I have felt organs spasming, never really bothered me as I knew what it was, and I felt the channels in other places creating the event. But otherwise, one would think a spasming internal organ would be somewhat shocking or checking out.

I know the advice offered is by well meaning people, but the stinging type of pain is not caused by stagnant qi or pools of qi left in your head because you didnt guide it out. It is qi channels that have strung together and coil and then move through an area, sifting it like a seive, if you can imagine pulling nylon stockings through flesh, creating a kind of friction that feels like a kind electro-sting or burn. Generally people call this Kundalini type pain and leave it at that. There are two basic things one can learn to accept: you are not in control of this, and pain does not mean something is wrong. I find on this website many people assume they are controlling this and that, using all the names like dantien and orbit, but lots of times this is a kind of fantasy, and despite this, if they keep meditating they will make progress. I am not saying you shouldnt try to ground, and try to move your focus or your conscious attention to a lower place, such as the heart or dantien, because this will help. But again this is just moving attention not necessarily displacing any of the qi feelings in question, its just as you get a baby to focus on something to stop crying. Once you get over the fact that this is something you can control, or that it is wrong, then it will just exist like a wallflower at the school dance. Eating meat, trying to other things than mediation and de-sensitizing yourself is trying to move away from the progress you made. Embrace, accept, use the pain for a good purpose, see what happens when you meditate longer and deeper.

Whenever this type of thread crops up, I offer my experience that its not a question of qi being in the head that is wrong. We have an energy body, it is made up of qi and channels that permeate our material body, including our heads, it is not something we move with our minds, or we have to worry about, since it runs on the same intelligence that our material body, like blood cells and bones etc. There are hundreds of kinds of qi to make up this energy body. For some people, like me and many others, our nervous system to a certain extent can perceive some aspects of the qi flowing as a normal kinasthetic feeling. No question, if you are doing cultivation meditations, qi flows will become stronger and some areas more enlivened. The nutshell statement is that if you are percieving things, there is nothing abnormal about it. If you follow the advice mentioned already on this thread and it makes no effect on what you feel, then you can consider what I have said, and just meditate with the feelings of energy, and using the feelings to guide you into deeper, more effective mediations.

A new addition to my practice is 1 hour shaking medicine with music, so its kind of half dancing half shaking, spontaneous and fun. A good sweat and detox. I wake up my muscles stiff, like when I was younger and and training athletics. My preoccupation is this nagging feeling of angst or dissatisfaction in moments of boredom. Blissful periods come and go, but when there is no relative bliss, there is this toxic samsaric liquid in the body. I have many ways to counteract it, it just seems this battle that goes on and on, and just when you think you've made progress, it rears its head again. My concentration has been crap lately, but sometimes often reach this point where I am meditating and also dreaming in a kind of limited monochrome way at the same time. Not lucidly, but its being other people in other situations with voices and points of view, but at the same time meditating.

Yeah, I dont do focused circulation practises and rarely use the chakras, but I cant help but notice that the heart is how you can power the qi to go to to other places. Just focusing on the dantien creates a big cloud of qi that just hangs there like a growing fog, but heart energy sends it all over the place. It is said that heart energy is needed to open the wisdom eye. I thought this was kind of incorperated into practises which use terms like cauldrons and burners, going from dantien, and the steam rises basically to the heart and then zaps around the body. I could be mistaken, I really dont do these type of practises to have much to note.

Its pretty well known that healings or qi can be sent to a certain time for the receiver, or in the future. I remember Santiago was doing group shaktipat or healing where one had to tune in at a certain time, no matter what the time zone. The implication is that the qi follows the time intention. Years ago someone mentioned on a post how he would send healings to the past to deal with issues that came up in the past, while they were still easier to control. I cant remember the details, but he said he sent healing multiple times for some x condition that started in the past for some person. He claimed he had results. I tried this a few times but I don't think I succeeded. Yet I believe in the theory. So a few night ago I was wondering if qi from the past could be sent forward, such as the qi from the time earth was much younger and energy more powerful. (due to watching some HBO show) I was thinking of the age when humans had all sorts of abilities and long life, lived in crystal palaces, etc. The experiment was to play that qi forward to now. What stopped my experiment was the thought, well how can I think that qi would be more pure than the qi now, if it is my thoughts that is moving it. The thing is, experimenting takes alot of time and with no guide one is likely barking up the wrong tree.

I dont think its anything to worry about, everyone's subconsious mind creates and builds on sense data. As long as you know it doesnt correspond to reality, it will likely fade away. But it could be energy related. Contrary to prevailing views, I wouldnt recommend seeing a doctor or shrink for something that is likely energetic or kundalini related, because the chance of misdiagnosis is 100% in that case. If you see a doctor for something not in their realm of protocol, they will fit it in somewhere within their protocol. I hear lots of explosions, bloops, bleeps and cracks noises from my head and body while in meditation--you think I'm gonna run to a doctor that knows nothing about cultivation and ask his opinion?

Playing in front of a group of people gives quite a rush. But its not the receiving appreciation or chanting that is the importance. Its the GIVING and channelling of energy to other people. The best artists give everything they've got. This is why, for an energy cultivator performing in front of a crowd as best you can is not about getting anything, money or recognition or some kind of temporary outburst of applause, but the prana moving through you as you give. I can practise the same songs with the same intensity at home, with no particular energy feeling, but when in front of people, I wont be able to sleep after that for several hours because so wired. Actually, it was because of this concept I even started learing music a few years ago, to test the theory.

I dont understand, where is the spinning and how is it spinning?