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I love the ignore list feature of this forum.

What makes you think anyone with any serious skill would be obliged to just spoon feed you? In my experience this information is usually hard won. It seemed during my training (with both a longmen priest and Hun Yuan disciple; What is your connection to a lineage might I ask in return?) that most every question I had was answered nonverbally and just outside of my conscious awareness (hard to explain, but usually like a physical hint, or non sequitur joke that was to everyone else in class seemingly off topic) and required me to transform said awareness or keep disciplined in my training to eventually figure it out as if on my own, though knowing that the answer was given months (sometimes years) ago. requests like yours combined with the tone/energy that you put forth would have left you out in the cold with all of the high level practitioners I've had the extreme blessing of meeting, so it makes sense to me that you've never met anyone who would expound on these topics.

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Gone with the wind.

I think this is an appropriate response @Walker. Very clear. Very sincere. And helpful to those who might not know any better. Thanks.

I've experienced the same phenomena you mention. Regarding the instant knowing of connectedness between internal and external relationships. What a wonderful mystery.

Did you ever meat that person (or otherwise confirm skill)? He rang fraudulent to me. But I'm ok being corrected.

Can you say a little more about this? I've noticed quite frequently that I get very warm to the point I perspire (notably so during sitting practice) during practice. Yet I've not had a very concentrated or distinct sensation of warmth. Curious I wonder how the general heat and sweating might possibly be different from what you mention as a "transformative" heat, as far as stages and development goes.

Disagreeing is insignificant. Your practice will also be, should you be too dense to recognize good advice. Find a teacher.

I can hear pretty clearly. Animals will make a sound (or humans will say something) and I hear very clearly in my head what they actually mean by their vocalization. It's more strange with humans though as their intent can be the exact opposite (if not most frequently incongruent) of what it is they are saying. Animals are nice as they don't necessarily want much from you and it's nice to watch natural beings be themselves. My cat however has been an interesting study. The rapport is fun to see develop. He also seems to be aware on the subtle plains as I catch him coming to me from where ever he goes out to in the neighborhood for two things. 1. is whenever I start my gong practice 2. (and I have a suspicion this is instructed to him from my teacher or his accomplished wife as we live in close proximity) He comes to scream at me whenever I have subtle "pest" bothering me. As if to say "Don't listen to it, it's a pest, send it away". A good friend he is! For practice I'd say if you sit in the early a.m. listen to bird songs with the appropriate neutrality and hear when/what they are trying to communicate. They are literally sitting there screaming to one another. I was delighted to sense the richness and range of each respective personal expression behind each little squeak and chirp.

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Requesting feedback on some new development in my practice. I feel a little embarrassed about the timeline, but after seven years or so of consistent practice I'm noticing a very consistent and distinct/intense feeling of bliss all the way to my hands and feet. Especially in my hands and feel but throughout the entire body also. I assume this is good =) Looking for any guidance or insights by those who've traveled further along the path. Is there a name for this? What further signposts might indicate advancement? Etc. Thanks.

That's a tricky question. And I talk to much as it is.

Thank you for sharing. Great experiments and many things to perceive. I wonder about the correlation between what's called "internal strength" (In my experience and in this reference, a increasingly powerful hydraulic like manifestation in the limbs) and sensations that you and freeform are talking about?

I really appreciate your encouraging words. Thanks By "find the middle points for energy sensation" I'm curious what you mean by "Middle" ?

Do you suppose there is significant difference between post and pre-heaven energies and their practice with regards to what you're saying?

How do you mean "practicing that energy"?

"blissful electrical love" sounds about right, thought I don't know that I'm "doing" anything but the most slight awareness movement. and I've noticed when I shift mentally and subtly to begin the act of sensing it, Then say I put my awareness into my elbow, It feels as though this blissful sensation flows past into the end of whatever limb. If I keep my awareness in the abdomen, it flows into the end of EVERY limb and results in increased (as in more intense than the already present full body sensation) of "blissful electrical love" at the hands and feet. Most of what I've been taught centers around non-doing. But this is a new and consistent phenomena so I'm very curious about it's significance as a signpost. I also like to talk here more anonymously as so as not disturb my fellow classmates. Thanks.

yes I do have the feeling of something under the skin, though I would say it's like a flowing liquid bliss or an aliveness.

decent?... I don't know. dissent perhaps? descent? Hopefully not =)

If Wandelaar's statements were resounding capital ""T" Truth" they wouldn't need to have such a confrontational posture, it would just be obvious. People like that feel entitled and cheated that others might have experience/perceptions that they don't. It's a common mistake of the clever and a damn sticky trap if you're not careful. Why not put in the effort to ascend the celestial ladder and see for yourself what there is to see? I say this out of compassion for the people who might be misled (as I once was) by posturing such as the Wandelaar's. The pesky thing about "philosophical Daoism" is it isn't actually Daoism.

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Hello Friends and teachers alike! Story/Question time! I've spent the last 5 years living under a Taoist Priest in the Longmenpai tradition. This has been something I could not be more grateful for. Something I've seen in our time together has been as follows. : I intend to give a gift to my teacher : I feel very sad (almost as if I want to weep) when he refuses to take my gift I learned to be more sincere as a result but didn't think to much about it at the time lately I've made a friend in the world who I shared some things with (perhaps too much?) and I've noticed the same behavior now from them. :trying to excessively give me gifts :and only this last time have I been present enough to not just absently accept it, and when I refused I could sense that same grief/whatever it is by my refusal. Is there anyone who would like to speak to this? I am grateful for the fellowship.

Ha! You never know what they are going to do. The self reflection brought about by my teacher (which I'm fully working on) seems correct. In regards to the friend it's interesting. The health concerns conjured thoughts about what someone else in this thread already said. The intention behind the gift. True Intention (whatever that really means) seems to be important to be aware of. Inner & Outer Thanks.