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This one makes me do a double take. Makes me question the esoteric reasons Jesus sacrificed himself. I remember reading in some random place of peoples ideas about humanity "getting lost" in this layer of reality or something to that effect. @Jeff do you have any thoughts on what I'm relaying here?

I pay rent and tuition for classes/retreats when I go.

Thanks for the reply. I am in tune with the "no trace of giving" you mention. It was something I had to work on understanding through my experience with my teacher. Just funny to be on the other end of the exchange, learning form that side now. I should also note that I haven't been initiated and being as such, I don't find much space or encouragement for direct inquiries with the teacher in regards to my training. I do wonder if initiation would change that? This is not to say I don't learn what I need to =). But there is not the relationship where I get to ask questions as I please, necessarily. haha. A fact I'm still coming to terms with HA! I do appreciate the verbal exchange that I find here.

I see where you're coming from with this. Thanks.

I see the person weekly. Every week for months they would offer me a gift. I noticed that In the moment of exchange I was not being as present as I could be. Had minor intuition to not accept gifts since I had seen my teacher doing the same thing. Noticed it was still hard to be present even after that intention. For instance I would have the idea that I would not accept any gifts and it's like the exchange would happen so fast that I'd just end up with a gift in my possession. I also noticed me getting sick frequently (week long flue -> right into food poisoning -> x, y, z) and set some intention to try and become more aware of what was happening. Even said to this friend once "that's it, don't offer me any more gifts" in a friendly exchange. The response was "They're more obligations at this point haha" I said "Exactly!" Thus this topic is something I'm looking at more deeply.

Nice seeing you t/here spotless. More like "here is some chapstick" .... "I made you this food"... Do you want this "thing". I guess more specifically, why such a strong desire (both me to teacher and now this friend to me) to give the gifts (from the givers end and especially with the emotional reaction due to refusal) and what is avoided by refusing?

what part of the u.s. are you from?

I don't want to publicly give out information which would offer a hand to those seeking to do harm. But if you are really curious you might look into the reasons fresh flowers, and flames are kept on alters.

Two can play at the broken record game and it would seem they both have been going in circles since time immemorial =)

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This one is for the humans. There is no such thing as "western" mo pai. The only name that should be ascribed to this group is "foolish" The internal arts are humanities most ancient and protected treasure. Do you think this group are the first batch in 2000 years to try and steal the teaching and go it alone? Were are they who have done what these men think they can/are doing? They are nowhere to be found. I'll bet you can deduce why. What practices these helpless ignorant minority have gleaned are - AND THIS IS IMPORTANT- INCOMPLETE! Because they are incomplete as well as unsupervised by an accomplished adept are all but guaranteed to cause injury. The glaringly egoic and rigid negativity of the poster's energy in this thread should be sounding your alarms. TLDR 1) unrecognized bogus lineage 2) incomplete dangerous practices 3) obviously and painfully unawakened promoter Only a fool would participate with this group.

Comedy comes in three's. I live under and train with a Daoist priest of 青城山 lineage. He would have turned away (and has) from me the instant I tried to unload the bullshit you are here, and in doing so exemplified the highest skill I should be mimicking. His oldest disciple whom is a little more tolerant would say "quit whining" I am nothing to speak of.

With serious dedicated practice eventually when your search and discover the essence of where the impetus for whichever goals is coming from, then you'll start to intuitively know their relative ability to nourish or conversely dramage your essence and equanimity. This is part of "knowing yourself" , "knowing for yourself".

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Haha. Origins of ignorance indeed!

The origins of ignorance.

Sorry, I thought you were offering that typing these words and that cup of tea you mention might be more "real" then things like telepathy.

You know, you really ruin a lot of the conversations for me that I read around here with all this nasty energy you put off in regards to experiences which you haven't had. So I thank you for showing me some things I could work on

Breakfast just got a tad bit more interesting. " yes I'll have an unboiled egg please... Scrambled"

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Terra papers sounds interesting. I wonder if anyone could provide some good links as to the phsycic visions mentioned earlier int thread. There seems to be a metric ton's worth of that type of info out there and I'm hoping some one else (bless their heart) has done some of the heavy lifting.

Dawei, I don't think I understand your response and I'm also very interested in this topic.

Working through "Taoist Yoga Alchemy and Immortality" has been interesting. Having dedicated much honest effort I started to feel the accumulated energy under my navel rise to my solar plexus without my willing that to happen so I stop... OK sure... another day's work, it happens again and this time I stop after letting it sit in my solar plexus for a while, not remembering what should be happening and not wanting to think about it... I stop it, but this time when I open my eyes it's like i'm looking through this wide purple tunnel that is rotating back and forth. (no clue!?!)... Another day's work I'm just letting the energy reside in my solar plexus again and SNAP!!!!!!! this brilliant white/blusish light like "pings" or "cracks" into the space between my eyebrows and I get this split second of complete euphoria but it subsides really quickly and I open my eyes because it was so shocking and the light quickly diminished also. Can anyone tell me more about the process I'm going through? and this is very subjective and I'm sorry if it feels Waaaay out there but I swear to my word it felt like my hands were magnetic for like 10 minutes afterwards. Like they were they same pole though so they would feel resistance against one another from like 6-8inches away. I must have looked like a loon doing all the little tests I was doing to see if I was really feeling this. hahah. So, any ideas, comments or words of wisdom? I could certainly use it. Q

Many thanks. yeah that phenomena only happened once and I've kind of scaled my work down since as it was a obvious sign that something was happening (which was good) but I didn't know what or really how to continue. I only stumbled into "toaist toga .." and read a few other snippets relating to the practice that reminded me of these dreams I had as a kid where I was doing strange body postures, doing this breath thing and giving myself chills and then turning invisible, flying, etc. And I was so young that it was shocking to have that light bulb go off at nearly 30 years old and see that maybe those dreams (like 3rd or 4th grade) and these practices could be related somehow. Anyhow, that lit a fire in me to really devote some time to that book (Finally some real life confirmation of the fruits of spiritual labor) and my intuition is practically screaming at me to follow this work through so.. If I may pose some more questions to any who wish to comment for the sake of my own clarity. ------------------------ The stillness absolute (and reverse breathing) was the antecedent to the energy in my lower belly (months and months of meditation) which then rose into my solar plexus (while still in my belly) before finally rising between my eyes manifesting in a blue light/ ultimate bliss.. Q: Is that process ok to be recreated frequently? Q: Once the light and bliss come what is the best thing to do? prolonging it? take a break? Is it safe to mess around with in any way? Q: Does or should the series of events (rising cauldron and light manifesting) outlined happen every time for people who are very experienced? Does it happen sooner with more practice or is it random and happen when it wants to as long as your are "in position" so to speak? Do you forget about it past a certain point? Forgive me for asking if I'm asking too much. Time is valuable and so I appreciate all who are kind enough to offer some to a wanderer.