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Ya know, I guess this guy really cares about the practice he ask a lot of questions about it. I think a better way to go is to request a consultation on the FP from Master Dunn. Maybe you can work out a rate of $50 or $100 an hour. Consultation for chikung can be big money. Kind of like tech support. to be honest most people are lucky that Master Dunn is even responding to them. He just could not answer at all. Just a thought feel free to ignore my post.

Why do most people do no research. It baffles me to this day.

A little history. The system known in India as, Vajramukti, or “Clasped Hand of the Thunderbolt”, named as such because the training method was considered as powerful as a thunderbolt in its effects on practitioner’s personal and spiritual growth. Vajramukti developed out of secret mental and physical practices that were designed to lead one to Samadhi, (or enlightenment, self-realization, nirvana, heaven – your choice). Buddha taught the shaolin monks one complete nata and 2 pratimas of the Bodhisattva Vajramukti, namely the nata of Buddhist Lion Play School and 2 of its pratimas(shorter sequences). The nata was called Astadasavijaya which means 18 subduings. This practice was absorbed by the chinese and was called the Shiba Luohan Shou or the 18 hand movements of the immortals (Arahants). The chinese term xing served as a translation of both nata and pratima. The Shiba Luohan Shou was the most important buddhist nata/xing introduced into china. Which became knows as the Shaolin Szu school of martial arts or Quan Fa. Which translated into the 18 Buddha boxing methods. The 2 shorter pratimas or forms taught in this were the Asthimajja Parisuddi- which is a buddhist movement and respiratory yoga for tissue regeneration, catharsis, and karmic recognition. In chinese this became known as the Xisuijing. The second pratima was the Snavasjala Nidana Vijnpti which in chinese is called the Yijinjing which is a type of isometric exercises and meditations which builds vitlatiy and can change the health from poor to good. So basically meaning that the xisuijing and the yijinjing were 2 small energy practices of the larger vajramukti which was termed Quanfa in chinese and this spread during the tang dynasty(600-900A.D.) This gave birth to the 18 Luohan monk forms. In time the word xing began to mean mind body spirit relationship. Xing got shorted to the word sanchan meaning triple battle. This in time was changed to santi and the santi position was the position for cultivating xing. The santi position is a mudra from vajrmukti and this whole body position was known as Trilokavijayakayaashana meaning the postion of one who subdues the 3 realms. This position takes the shape of a vajra.

I did not know this im still trying to find out more info about emei shan. Thanks for the info There is so much out about shaolin and wudang and lunghushan but there isnt that much info about emeishan.

Now i spoke to these people and i noticed some simliarites between what they do and the arts of GMDW. The herbal forumulas they have them to. The breaking of round objects the 18 methods of unlocking So now that i spoke to another group of practitioners of emeishan. I can say that what GMDW teaches and his students is completely 100% authentic. The history is true and valid.

Yes im an avid resercher. I actually spoke to a practitioner of emei shan qigong who has been to emeishan a few times. Ive been researching emeishan for the past year I came across this Bai Yun Emei, the '"Lofty Eyebrow Peak,” is the highest and holiest of China’s four sacred Buddhist mountains, and the Golden Summit Monastery is at its highest point. In 1227 A.D., a Daoist monk who lived on the mountain made a pilgrimage to the summit. Here, he meditated and fasted while spiritual masters guided his path toward wisdom and enlightenment. When he broke his fast, he took the name “Bai Yun,” or “White Cloud.” The enlightened monk combined the more than 3,600 schools of thought, philosophies, and techniques that had been taught to him by his teachers and created a comprehensive system of health called the Emei Linji School of Qigong—or Emei Qigong for short. The Linji school is the largest Chan Buddhist sect in China. Emei Qigong includes Buddhism, Karma, Kanyu, acupuncture, herbal medicine, Daoist and Buddhist Qigong, Taiji, extra sensory perception (ESP) diagnosis and treatment, iron body, martial arts, and more. This system is devoted to maintaining excellent health and treating diseases while attaining the highest levels of spiritual development. In a pure vision, the Bodhisattva Samantabhadra, the great spirit of Emei Mountain, told Grandmaster Bai Yun to take the teachings and pass them down, lineage holder to lineage holder, master to master, in order to help future generations. Grandmaster Bai Yun chronicled the sacred knowledge in a book called “The Emei Treasured Lotus Canon” lest it be forgotten or misinterpreted. This book is currently held in a Beijing museum. Zhou Qian Chuan The years surrounding the Second World War were a time of great political and social turmoil in China, and people's lives were very difficult. During this time, when Grandmaster Yong Yan was traveling from mountain to mountain, he met an army major general, Zhou Qian Chuan, who was a Western medical doctor. Major General Zhou had serious internal cracking in his liver caused by the violent vibrations of a bomb that had exploded very close to him. He had tried all the famous Western medical doctors and no one could heal him. Grandmaster Yong Yan befriended the major general, treated and cured his ailments with Emei Qigong healing techniques. Overwhelmed with joy and gratitude, the major general wanted to leave all his responsibilities to become a monk and to serve this great man who had restored his health. Grandmaster Yong Yan refused his request to become a monk but allowed him to come to Emei Mountain to study under him. Zhou Qian Chuan studied with and served Grandmaster Yong Yan for 13 years, and the Grandmaster ordained him as the first layman to receive the title Lineage Holder. So it was that Zhou Qian Chuan became the 12th Lineage Holder of Emei Qigong. With the introduction of a lay lineage holder, Grandmaster Yong Yan altered the tradition of passing the lineage only from monk to monk. The lay lineage holder was to have two major responsibilities. One was to spread the teachings of Emei Qigong to the public so that more people may benefit from the powerful knowledge held within the Emei Tradition. The second responsibility was to pass the complete teachings to a monk lineage holder so that the teachings may be kept intact, pure and accurate. With Grandmaster Zhou, as the first lay Lineage holder, to help take over, Grandmaster Yong Yan then left Emei Mountain and went to Southwest China. And as he had foreseen, monks were imprisoned or killed and many of the monasteries on the mountain were destroyed, including the Golden Summit Monastery. The newly ordained Grandmaster Zhou stayed on Emei Mountain but often came down and traveled to the Kangding area to help people suffering the ravages of war. Ju Zan When World War II ended, Grandmaster Zhou went to Beijing to seek the Supreme Buddhist Abbot Ju Zan, the monk to whom he would pass the Emei Qigong traditions and teachings. Abbot Ju Zan’s whose religious status and title is similar to that of the Tibetan Dalai Lama. Abbot Ju Zan knew of the great Emei Qigong system through visions and was prepared for Grandmaster Zhou’s arrival. After a number of years of studying (1950 – 1958), Grandmaster Zhou ordained Abbot Ju Zan to also be the 12th Lineage Holder. Grandmaster Zhou taught the monk everything that Grandmaster Yong Yan had taught him and they shared the lineage together, according to Grandmaster Yong Yan’s vision. In the 1960s, China’s Cultural Revolution began and Grandmaster Ju Zan was wrongfully imprisoned for eight years. In prison, he meditated and saw the future of Emei Qigong. He was released in the early 1970s. Grandmaster Fu Wei Zhong The future envisioned by Grandmaster Ju Zan centered on a young man named Fu Wei Zhong who began his training on the day he was born in 1949. Driven by an exceptional interest in old texts, he studied traditional Chinese medicine and read ancient Chinese philosophies when he was only six years old. By the age of 12, Fu Wei Zhong was treating and healing people with techniques he had learned from his readings and the instruction from his grandfather, a traditional Chinese medical doctor. He began his martial arts training in Shaolin Gongfu at the age of seven. He became a student of Luo Xing Wu, an eminent Chinese martial arts grandmaster, from whom he learned many martial arts disciplines, including Xingyi and Bagua Gongfu. Like many other young people during the Chinese Cultural Revolution, Fu Wei Zhong was sent to northeast China's Heilongjiang province. Because of his training, he worked as a veterinarian. He was 18 years old when he arrived and opened a medical clinic. For eight years, he used traditional Chinese medicinal herbs and treatment techniques, including acupuncture and Chinese massage, to treat multitudes of sick people and animals with great success. Fu Wei Zhong returned to Beijing in 1976 and taught martial arts at the Beijing Dongcheng District Martial Arts School for a year. He planned to take a master’s degree in religion and was looking for a renowned teacher to guide him in his studies. A friend took him to meet Abbot Ju Zan, the Supreme Abbot of Chinese Buddhism and 12th Lineage Holder of Emei Qigong. Since childhood, Fu Wei Zhong had had a recurring dream of a monk. He did not recognize the monk nor knew why the images kept coming to him. When he saw the Abbot, he recognized him as the monk from his dreams. At their meeting, they looked at each other and the Abbot said, “Oh, you’ve finally arrived, it’s time for you to train!” as if they already knew each other. Fu Wei Zhong underwent training to be the 13th layman Lineage Holder of Emei Qigong. He received instruction in Buddhism, Daoism, traditional Chinese medicine, Taijiquan, Qigong, Feng Shui, future prediction, and other Dharma methods exclusively transmitted from one Lineage Holder to another within the Emei Qigong system. Fu Wei Zhong was usually in seclusion—studying, cultivating, and integrating the system’s ancient texts into practical forms and easy-to-read language that could be effectively taught to the public. In 1984, the title of the 13th Lineage Holder was bestowed on him. He received the Emei Qigong sacred book “The Emei Treasured Lotus Canon” and officially assumed the title of Grandmaster as well as the responsibilities of being the Lineage Holder. Grandmaster Ju Zan directed him to begin teaching publicly, so that “ the pain and suffering of the world could end and to allow Emei Qigong to bring humanity to shine like the sun.” In the spring of 1985, Fu Wei Zhong began teaching Emei Qigong healing techniques throughout China, initiating a national revitalization of the role of Qigong in Chinese medicine's theory and practice. In 1989, he went into seclusion again to meditate for three more years. During this period of extended meditation, he achieved the Qigong state necessary to decode and decipher the obscure and complex Emei Qigong teachings and techniques and adapt them into a form that could be more easily taught to the public in our fast-paced modern society. Grandmaster Fu now teaches some of these skills in his lectures, seminars and writings. He believes that only by training thousands of skilled Emei Qigong practitioners will it be possible to restore and preserve the health of millions. He has personally treated, healed and helped thousands of people—the rich and famous as well as orphans and patients considered incurable. China’s late president Deng Xiao Ping was among those helped by Grandmaster Fu. Using the methods of Emei Qigong cultivation, medical qigong and traditional Chinese herbal medicine, Grandmaster Fu has successfully cured tens of thousands of people who have come to him for healing. At age 36, he was recognized as one of the most prominent grandmasters of Qigong and Traditional Chinese Medicine. The Chinese have dubbed him “Emei Wizard” and “China’s Medical Buddha," as well as deeming him “The Father of Modern Medical Qigong.” In addition, Fu Wei Zhong has been made lifetime president of two Qigong institutions: The International Medical Qigong Academy and The Emei Linji International Qigong Medical Research Institute, and he holds honorary positions and titles in more than 50 hospitals, medical colleges, Qigong clinics and Qigong associations in China. Fu Wei Zhong is a learned scholar. Having read thousands of books, both Chinese and foreign, he is well versed in the medical, philosophical and theological theories of different schools, both Eastern and Western. While studying, he took careful notes and wrote down his reflections, which number over three million words. To date, he has published six books and over twenty treatises in China. Fu Wei Zhong immigrated to the United States in 1995. His goal was to disseminate Emei Qigong’s therapeutic techniques so that its methods could be fused with contemporary western medical techniques. His goal is to alleviate much of the suffering in today’s world. He was determined to transmit the knowledge and skills of Emei Qigong to the American public. Since his arrival in the United States, Grandmaster Fu has given lectures and workshops in over 30 American cities. He was invited to the University of San Francisco and the University of California at San Diego to lecture on Qigong and was a visiting professor at the American College of Traditional Chinese Medicine in San Francisco, where he taught curriculum-required courses on the Emei methodology of Qi (energy) emission for diagnosis and treatment. In 1996, he participated in an experiment at the Atlantic Tumor Hospital in California that involved the emission of Qi into cancer cells. The initial positive results enabled the experiment to be taken to a bigger scale. In 2001, these encouraging results were published in the magazine, Spirituality and Health. Fu Wei Zhong also participated in an experiment conducted by the California Pacific Medical Center of Complementary Medicine Research Institute to test Qigong and other holistic modalities in the treatment of brain tumors from a distance. The Discovery Channel filmed Grandmaster Fu at the Medical Center and aired the documentary in Canada on a show called “Daily Planet.” Today, there are many thousands of Emei Qigong students in the United States and 2 million followers of Emei Qigong worldwide. What the world needs now,more than ever, is a heart-centered system like Emei Qigong to bring health, vitality and true kindness to people. Fu Wei Zhong had made two majorpromises to his Master, the Venerable Abbot Ju Zan. He was to pass on the complete teachings of the Emei Linji Qigong tradition to the next monk lineage holder so that the wisdom of Emei Qigong be rigorously preserved andavailable to be passed onto the future . Secondly, he was going to spread the teachings of Emei Qigong in the world so that many may benefit from it. He has identified and is in the process of teaching the next monk lineage holder. To spread the teachings of Emei Qigong to the world, he has developed a system of courses to be completed by dedicated students. These students would become teachers of Emei Qigong so that they may continue his work to spread and share the benefits embodied in Emei Qigong. In the fall of 2006, Grandmaster Fu taught the Level IV seminar, the Emei Qigong Level I Teacher’s Training, for the first time. This month-long session was held at Emei Mountain in China, and selected students lived and studied at the base of the mountain during this time. The training was successful; students emerged from this intensive training with a much deeper and comprehensive understanding of Emei Qigong, and many will continue their training to become Level I teachers. A second group of prospective Level I teachers took the Level IV training in 2007. For the next few years, Grandmaster Fu will concentrate on training the monk who will become the next lineage holder in China and the students who will become Emei Qigong Level I , Level II and Level III teachers. This was quoted from here http://www.emeiqigong-zenhealing.com/history.html I also came across this book. The Emei Linji Qigong book Description of the book Translated when Grandmaster Fu originally arrived in the United States in 1995. This book includes macro and micro training for healing specific diseases and maintaining the health of specific organs, unique Emei Food Therapy recipes from the treasures of Emei Lineage, frequently asked questions and selective case histories of curative effects of Qigong Therapy. 135 pages.Also includes moving and still Qigong and 18 Methods of Medical Qigong.Translated when Grandmaster Fu originally arrived in the United States in 1995. This book includes macro and micro training for healing specific diseases and maintaining the health of specific organs, unique Emei Food Therapy recipes from the treasures of Emei Lineage, frequently asked questions and selective case histories of curative effects of Qigong Therapy. 135 pages. Also includes moving and still Qigong and 18 Methods of Medical Qigong.Translated when Grandmaster Fu originally arrived in the United States in 1995. This book includes macro and micro training for healing specific diseases and maintaining the health of specific organs, unique Emei Food Therapy recipes from the treasures of Emei Lineage, frequently asked questions and selective case histories of curative effects of Qigong Therapy. 135 pages. Also includes moving and still Qigong and 18 Methods of Medical Qigong.

When it comes to these things i find it best to use a wise eye when looking at things like this. Did GMDW say that fp was for healing? Yes. Did you have a one on one personal conversation with GMDW as a indoor student about the fp? No. Yes fp can lead to health but so can regular meditation. So what are you doing with the fp? Then it must be that you are cultivating some type of energy for a specfic purpose. Since fp has buddhist roots did anyone research blue light manifestation with actualy budhhist practices? Im going to say no. As far as that goes this is what ive found. This could be something. If you track vajrayana to and from emeishan you may find something. Does fp lead to immortality? I dont see how it could not given the size of the system the results that practitioners gets and so on. Below is some pics of emeishan for everyones enjoyment. Its best to use an investigative eye when researching these things. Just my 2 cents

Id say spam insults false claims and so on is on the rise.... There is a decline of well read experienced practitioners here. What you do have is a lot of arguements and claims and so on. Why has nazri never been banned? We all know he has no permission to teach mo pai. Why do people get to openly sell products they bought from other qigong systems on here? Why doenst the mods question questionable claims? like reaching mo pai level 13? Why do threads go into the pit before someone is banned and then why isnt all the bad post that breaks forum rules removed from said thread(sometimes there is good info in the threads that goes to the pit)? Why are some members allowed without question to spam the forum? Why are some members allowed to insult others without end and still not get banned? The forum is a reflection of how its being ran. If the forum is attracting more spam then that means that the people who should be getting banned are not getting banned and there energy is attracting those like them....

Done. This forum is so fucking stupid. An i mean that.

I wasnt stating in absolute truth. i was just giving a suggestion.

Since you did flying phoenix for a long time it just may take longer for you to feel the effects. The SYG creates amazing mental serenity. i know for me and others it creates some pretty cool psychic imagery. Like this It creates a deep calm. In time it creates a powerful vibration and heat. You will feel the circuit path for the mudra open up and the mco will open up as well. Even if you were doing the level 1 mudra with no breath percentage you should still feel heat. For SYG and red dragon shares the first seated mudra. Red dragon has no breath percentage.

I came across his thunder palm awhile ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjsqw25JkO8 He seems knowledgeable but theres something off about him. But thats just a vibe i get he could be a great guy.

Thats interesting.... I find that most people do things on impulse alone without ever questioning why am i doing this? But thats another issue. Listen only heaven has the true power. Mankind only has the power of destruction. Example "If you dont do what i want ill destroy you!" Heaven has that power to. Heaven also has the power of life. Example "If you dont adhere to me or attune to me you will self destruct." The way of heaven is the way of virtue. Humans who want to walk the virtueous path of heaven will have the power of life. Heaven's power of destruction is when you chose to destroy yourself. An you walked further and further away from virtue. The commandment of heaven is the commandment of life just like the sky controls the earth. Following the way of heaven is the path.

I saw this being talked about in another thread so id like to address it here because its related to the OP of this thread. Pre Heaven and Post Heaven chi and the MCO Preheaven chi is the chi that came from the tao/heaven when you were forming in your mom's womb. This heaven essence gave birth to your water essence. Then you started to take form via the mco route first your spine then your head then down to your legs and so on. It is the power of heaven that created you. Post heaven chi is human heavenly chi. Or the heaven chi of the human being. Now for the taoist or cultivator post heaven chi is not attained until it is restored in the ldt. When the power of heaven is restored in the ldt it will circulate in all circulations that were used to create you. Then tru alchemy can take place. The original power or Zhen Qi is spreading to every cell in your body healing you correcting you. Now the practices that do the mco before this happens is doing so in an attempt to awaken the shen When you do normal breathing the path of the mco is reversed. When you do reverse breathing the mco flows up the spine and down the front. Now cultivators try to conserve their water essence and circulate the mco in a attempt to recreate the prebirth conditions to awaken the the shen so this awakened shen can activate the power of heaven in the body. Only the awakened shen can awaken what you were unaware or lost touch of. If the alchemy has no transformation of the shen then it is not spiritual alchemy. the awakened spirit is the true agent of change. The awakened shen cultivates all 3 dantians.

Letting go to all that ties you to the earth... Transforming the body into pure radiant spirit and ascending to the 9th level of heaven on a ray of light isnt easy. Takes dedication to the path.

If there is no shen cultivation then there is no alchemy. The ever awakening shen is the alchemical agent. Remember this. Bringing awareness and spirit to forgotten parts of your self and unknotting them awakening them. Restoring the original power of heaven in you so your original signal is strong enough so you communicate your essence with the 9 constellations more easily and be free from their influence.

Alchemy is not about condensing chi and vibrating it or generating fields or internal power. Its about being made whole.

So what i understand from this to be true. Is that if you work with heavenly chi this will cultivate the shen more quickly, strengthen the jing and thus the chi, leading to restoring the original spark of life and the awareness of. Once awakened can be accessed from that point. All taoist alchemy is actually about the transformation of the shen. The restoring of the original power/destiny given to you by heaven. is just part of the alchemy process of the shen.

Quoted from here http://www.ichikung.com/html/dantians.php

Quoted from here http://silenttao.com/2010/03/cultivating-xing-and-ming/

This is quoted from here http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Taoism.html Seems that this echoed by all true practitioners.

Sure I can expound on the positive effects ive had with this practice. When I felt the circuit open up for the level 1 seated mudra I felt the energy or buzz start to move around my arms and chest. i also felt the energy circulate thru my spine. I also noticed that after a certain point in my practice that from my elbows down feels really electric. Now when I first started with the SYG I was SYG nuts did it for about 4 hours a day. I found to have the best success is just to run thru the phases over and over again. It was on a satruday morning and i was running thru the SYG for the 3rd time that day (putting in my third hour). All of a sudden something started to happen everything went pitch black then very bright this kept happening but faster and faster. Then all of a sudden I started to get jolts of energy from my ldt and internally felt and heard a kaboom. Then this vibration went thru out my whole body. Which was still evident even I did the standing the standing moving short and so on. Something else I noticed is that the SYG builds some type of mind force. Its weird its like I can flex my mind. I also noticed that I can kick on the SYG feeling even when Im not practicing it. All I can say is what Master Hearfield said about the practice is true. Now on to heat and the SYG. When i was doing the level one seated I all of a sudden felt very hot as if my hands were on fire themselves. I also had a similar exp with the standing as well. Now when I do the standing moving short form I do it 18 times in a row everytime i practice it. What I love about the standing moving short form is the buzz that it creates and the 3rd eye activity i have which usually starts to happen on my 7th or 8th rep. Another thing I noticed is now long after i first started practicing I thought i was losing weight. Now I called a few other serious practitioners who told me that this is something that you exp when your body starts to rewire from the ldt. So when this started to happen I noticed my kung fu improved I was just more coordinated and centered. Now let me say this as well. That with every med in the SYG whether it was standing seated or moving I have had experiences where everything in my head went white. The cool thing is whenever I pray now or do anything that requires a spiritual focus like prayer i can feel the mind force effect of the SYG. This has been my exp I would urge anyone seriuos about learning SYG to learn it from Master Hearfield. Now when I talked to Vince Peppers who was very nice very kind very respectful he gave me some great advice. One of the things he said is, "If your Practicing an art that came from Fung Do Duk you should practice a martial art with it as well. An that when your doing your form try to connect to the planets. By connecting to the planets you connect to the solar system thru the solar system you connect to the flow of the universe." So thats how my convo with Vince started...

Heres my experience with the Sunn Yee Gong. Right before I started Practicing the SUnn Yee Gong I was messing with the shaolin Wahnam self manifested chi flow. I liked this but hated the fact that what kils this chi flow is when you focus on the ldt. So I was trying to find a way to have that self manifested chi flow like the wahnam but for it to keep active when I focus on the ldt. I realized that the perfect of the self manifested chi flow allowed the original power at the ldt to manifest which could occur quicker if one could focus on the ldt while this self manifested chi was going on. Now keep in mind that when i discovered the gold of self manifested chi flow, After practicing lifting the sky and activating this flow I could go in the bath room and notice a glow around my body. So I knew I was on to something. It was around this time that Master Hearfiled started posting on the syg. I wondered about it but i was more asorbed in another practice. After some time went by I decided to give the SYG a try. I drove up to the bank and despoised some money into the checking to buy the SYG from payloadz. An after I drove back from the bank i just felt good like i was doing something good. After I paid for the syg and tried i realized that this was exactly what i was looking for. Not only could I have this chi flow(which heals you purifies) I could enter stillness as this goes on while focusing on the ldt. It was at this moment that i realized what gold this training was. For just in the level one seated you could cultivate chi flow, stillness, and build the ldt. Now after practicing the stages of the SYG for a while. I had many positive experiences.

What Master Hearfield told me was that the red dragon compliments the syg that its best to do the red dragon in the morning and the syg at night. When i first started practicing SYG I practiced 3 to 4 hours a day.