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Jeff Its OK to take your word for granted BUT lots of people deal with self doubt and these doubts can most of the time only be solved trough personal experience and validation and I believe 30days of absence of contact with your benefactor can prove to yourself you did achieve something of permanent worth. Like driving a car on your own instead with an instructor even if the instructor stopped giving instructions long time ago but is still present in the car.

The energy of desire, taste, dance, sexuality and dreaming all come from the 2nd Sacral Chakra, all of these energies use the same "fuel" or force which Castaneda called the "binding force" because its the force in the universe that keeps things together so when this force gets too weak and "breaks" people die. This is why its important to work on the so called "astral body" which in Nagualism is just referred to as the "dreaming body" its the body of longevity or immortality as people call it here. This is the reason I brought the question of death up since Jeff compared astral levels with the "higher" formless levels as he calls them. Death is real just as life here is and for most traditions this is a very important topic and the difference in approach is what separates them apart. In the same way people prepare for tasks in their life they should prepare for their death and afterlife or they might not end up where they originally thought they would. @Jeff By "weak" do you mean its not worth developing the astral body or you are just saying that the "higher" levels are higher in comparison? Also if and when you die physically how is someone who hasn't yet reached the "higher level" supposed to get it? I'm asking this because you implied that your not doing the energy stuff I described, so how will you do it? Wouldn't it rather be fair to say and give credit to the astral body immortality in a proper supposed way since pursuing it gives you the chance to do your "light work" even in afterlife like here on Earth? Also if this person is well beyond such concepts of the astral body then she or you wont have a problem of showing some advance astral skills either. Finally would you agree that pursing both higher levels and astral levels would be good for people or you think otherwise?

Most of the recent posts are off-topic so mod's please if you could open a new thread so we can stay properly on topic? There is some of us who want to respond accordingly to everything but still don't have a proper space for it. Thanks!

The Earth Keepers In the early times,under the Law of One the Earth and all Life forms were held to be sacred.It was not for man to alter the Creator's design;it was for man to live in harmony within the context of creation.Alteration of place could be undertaken only after careful consideration of the spiritual aspects and implications of same.The resultant physical impact upon all elements directly affected by such action must be taken into account.If the Earth is held sacred and all Life is held sacred,then one must proceed with utmost caution and in the proper manner when making determinations involving the alteration of a natural habitat.This would seem a monumental task for even a highly telepathic people.It was the function of the holy men known as the Earth Keepers.There did come to be those who would act in the capacity of the medium,those who could separate from the physical self and bond with the physical elements of a particular landscape.These holy men,upon return to the reality of their physical bodies,would then render their determinations.Under the One Law there must be adequate habitat for all our realtions to flourish as we do. The Earth Keepers,holy men and women of the One Law,were charged with the responsibility of safeguarding the sanctity of the Earth Mother. These held ultimate authority over human activity upon the land.These early Keepers were more powerful than the Elders who sat upon the Great Council,for even the Great Council did defer to them. Under the One Law,that which belongs to Creator is not for man to own unto himself.Such things may be utilized by man,but only when done in a manner consistant with One Law principles.It was the Earth Keepers who did determine where the people could gather,camp,hunt,grow or build. They knew all places where people could dwell in harmony with all around them.They knew the sacred places for prayer and healing.They were the sacred places for prayer and healing.They were the Keepers of the great Earth energy place,the sacred land of the One circle,that which was Atlantia. If the people wished to build a community,construct dwelling places or plant crops in a particular area,an Earth Keeper had to be brought in and consulted.The Keeper did study the proposal and inspect the area in question.He did then choose a place to seat himself and meditate in order to commune with the natural Life forces and elements thereof.The physical vehicle might remain so seated for many days as the Keeper, gone out from same,integrated with the life forms around him.Thus he became one with same in order to determine whether the area was receptive to the proposal.All aspects of Life and the sustainment thereof were taken into consideration. Upon his return he was bathed and massaged with fragrant oils.He was given food and drink,and then he rested.The next day he did call together all concerned parties to announce his determination.Either the land was receptive to the needs of the people,or the land had to be honored and left unaltered. At times when a proposal was accepted,the Earth Keepers did provide specifications as to procedure and degree of alteration and did perform rituals,purification and prayer ceremonials.So it was in the early times of Atlantean history.As all things,this would come to change as Atlantean civilization and population did grow. Those who would be Earth Keepers did display their special talents and abilities even before their initial nature walk experience.Educators did take note of those individuals predisposed toward communication of such magnitude along the full spectrum of physical experience.A youth who demonstrated mastery of the nature walk experience did attract the attention of high priests and the Great Council.Such youth would be offered the opportunity to train their abilities and prepare to enter service in the priesthood as Earth Keepers. In the land of Atlantia there came to be constructed the Temple Of the One.This complex did house the functions of the high priests and the Great Council or High Council.Here and going out from here,were the Keepers of the Land. So it was from the early times of Atlantean history until the arrival of our relatives from the stars.These did bring a time of great change for Atlantis and her people.New ideas introduced at this time did begin to erode the old traditions.With the advent of the new age,many old One Law taboos concerning the alteration of natural Earth habitats became relaxed or modified.The Order of the Word expanded its program at this time. Poseidon and those decended from him proceeded to alter the face of the Atlantia land.There was the encirclement,and there did arise temples, residences and places of government.The city did grow and Atlantia became the heart of the great city of Poseidon. There did come to be a new religious temple constructed,the Temple of the Sun.The rising sun was the symbol of a new age for mankind.It did represent a new dawn of unlimited posibility,born out of contact with our star relations.The Temple of the Sun distorted the truths of the One Law.That the Creator intends abundance for all was translated to mean growth,for many put their faith in technology and progress and turned away from the spiritual truths of the One Law. Under the old-order royal lineage,the Earth Keepers of the Temple of One were no longer the only determiners of land proposals.Documented approval had to be obtained from religious and government authorities after consultations with same.At this time Atlantean law did require not only religious authorization but consent from the king as well before proceeding with land developement.Factors were taken into consideration which were other than those spiritual,such as the accommodation of population growth,the development of mobile transportaion and the growth of other city centers upon the isle.Religious authorization could be obtained through the Temple of One or the Temple of the Sun. There were those who did continue to follow the One Law,and these still did abide by the determinations of the Earth Keepers.But there were many others who sought approval from the Temple of the Sun first or after their proposal had been turned down by the Temple of One.The Temple of the Sun did not consider the Life force and the natural elements of areas proposed for developement.Its main agenda was growth and economic expansion.Therefore,proposals were more readily accepted at the Temple of the Sun. So it was in the days before the Great Cataclysm brought to a close the Lemurian age and the early Atlantic age.There would be a return to the Law of One as Atlantis(now Poseidia,Arlyan and Og)and her people did recover from the destruction.

I would speak of a form of learning which Atlanteans did practice a long time ago.This was the ritual of awakening,the rite of understanding that which was known as the nature-walk experience.It was one of passage into adulthood,an important step in the transition of youth into responsible and enlightened adults.All youth of Atlantis did undergo this ritual,from the early period before Poseidon until the event of the first cataclysm.. Later,very early in the era of the Atlantic empire,it was revived by One Law priests and did continue through that period. The people of those times past did communicate telepathically with each other and all other Life forms.The nature walk did play an important role in furthering the developement of telepathic ability as well as,more importantly,One Law understanding.It did enhance one's connection to Earth's energies,to the natural order of all creation and to One Law reality.It did clarify the perception and promote insight,strengthen one spiritually and raise One Law conciousness.Through this experience did the youth learn,progress and evolve.Such was the purpose of this important ceremony.Later,throughout their long lifetimes,they might choose to undertake thenature walk many times,for it was also a ritual of meditation,healing,renewal and empowerment. All youth between the ages of 16-20 did participate in this ritual of awakening.An educator priest did determine when a youth had grown and developed to the extent that he be eligible for this important undertaking. It was the educator who did determine the duration of ritual,which could be up to 7 days in length.He did also choose the area of placement,which was always a secluded natural environment.This could be along the vast coastal area or far inland,beside a valley stream or atop a great mountain.Wherever the location,it was important that the participant be alone,away from human contact and any disturbances or distractions which could be incurred by same. When a youth was ready to undergo the nature walk,the educator did take that person to the chosen site,around which he was instructed to a mark out a large circle,using natural materials.This was usually 56 yards in diameter,and within which the youth was left alone for the determined length of time.In the middle of this great circle he did then prepare his personal ceremonial prayer circle.This did extend 7 feet from a central fire pit.When not engaged in prayer or meditation,he was free to enter or exit the prayer circle at any tume but was forbidden to cross over the outer perimeter of the placement area.The youth was restricted from the intake of nourishment during the ritual and was permitted to drink only water.This did increase awareness,attune the perception and aid in the elevation of the telepathic ability. And so the youth did stay alone within the placement area for the determined length of time in order to commune with his inner self and all of creation.He was able to tune into,and communicate with,the beings and Spirits,the elements and energies,all Life forms around him,all of nature.All these possess knowledge,and from them the youth did learn about Life, Love,Earth,and Spirit.They did speak to him about the Law of One and taught him about his realtionship to the Earth and all living things. At the end of the ritual time span,the educatordid appear to the youth,and together they returned to teh temple.There the youth was cleansed and did eat and sleep.After he had rested,he did have counsel with his educator concerning the experience. Temples were more than places of spirituality and religion;they were also centers for research and education.In residence were educators, researchers,scientists,engineers and artists.Temples were vast pools of knowledge and understanding,of creativity and the arts.A youth could receive education within several temples and build several careers during his long lifetime. The 7 day ritual was practiced by those who were inclined toward a road of religion and spirituality,in that 7 was considered a sacred number related to the higher chakral frequencies.The greater number of youth were inclined toward other areas of interest and experience.Most did spend a period of 4 days in nature walk,in that 4 was considered a sacred number in connection with the Earth,with the physical and natural plane and with the vibrational frequencies of the lower chakras. At times there were those youth who did seek to alter the experience in order to control or predominate over same.Thus they did attempt to manipulate conditions as to accomplish mastery over the natural environment.It was these who derived little from their nature walk experience,as they chose not to learn but to control instead. n those ages past,Atlanteans did utilize their natural telepathic abilities and could easily communicate without the use of spoken words.Thus they were able to communicate with and learn from all Life forms.Through telepathic communication one did form a connection with the other.With this state of connection did come understanding and acknowledgment of universal truths,taht humanity is a part of the whole,that all is One.It is the experience of the oneness that brings understanding of the One Law. Th Atlantean people did develop their telepathic abilities throughout their lifetimes.Know that these people of long ago did experience a great longevity of life.As you can comprehend 70,80 or 90 years in your experience,try to imagine 700,800 or 900 years in physical being.Life expectancy then was over 1000 years.In the physical environment of less molecular density,biologic degeneration took place at a rate less than one tenth that of present experience.Physical growth,however,did take place at a rate very similar to that which occurs presently,that of your own experience and understanding.Thus it was that with such a long life span, there was ample time for telepathic abilities to be fully developed.

It was Poseidon who did address the High Council of Elders (Hatona Council) and convince that body to suppost trade and exchange programs between our peoples.Poseidon did acknowledge many aspects of the One Law,which did impress the Council and help sway their decision.Poseidon would come to have great influence over the Atlantean land.His official mission was yo oversee research and exchange programs,the observation and evolution of the progress of these programs,and the effects of same upon the Atlantean people and their culture.Poseidon would come to indulge himself therein.It was the intent of Poseidon to carry his mission to the very limits of his authority,to go so far as to tamper with the leadership and government of Atlantis.Poseidon did set Atlantis on a road of great development and progress,his motivation being to ensure his own greatness in Atlantic history.It would be his will to install his own bloodline into leadership over Atlantis. It happened that during a tour of the land which was Atlantia,Poseidon was introduced to the priestess Cleiteah.She was in residence at the One Temple with those few charged as stewards of the land.This meeting would come to have great consequences for Atlantis,for Poseidon would take the priestess Cleiteah to be his wife.Together,Poseidon and Cleiteah did spend many hours at the temple complex within the land of Atlantia.It was the will of Poseidon to have there prepared private quarters for himself and his wife.So it came to be that Poseidon,also known as the Great Manipulator,did all this and more. His influence over Atlantis and her peopel did grow,as he promised magnificent temples for religion,education and medicine.He promised opulent facilities for government and law,great centers for research and for the arts,industrial and economic growth and improvement,all this and more for the Atlantis and her people.Poseidon proposed that a great wall,plated in bright copper be constructed along the perimeter of Atlantia. It would symbolize the sacred circle of teh One Law,a sacred symbol throughout the universe.Poseidon did thus conspire,and so it did come to be,that the land of Atlantia was encircled with a great wall,and around this was constructed a circular harbor. At the event of the project's completion ceremony,Poseidon did address the Atlantean people and congratulate them on their accomplishment.He proudly proclaimed that it was a magnificent monument to the One Law and proof of the ingenuity and ability of amnkind for unlimited possibilities of the future.The great circle was visible from orbiting space craft.Poseidon would go on to have encircled the lands which lay outside of the Atlantia ring,the lands where poeple did have their dwelling placees-this again with wall and with harbor.Poseidon wouls also come to have encircled vast areas of land beyond these.So did the form of that great city evolve.The city did grow and prosper through the centuries to become the most magnificent ciy ever to exist upon the Earth.It became the capital city of the great Atlantean empire,and it survived two great cataclysms. The sacred center of the city contained the religious,eductional and government facilities.The secondary ring of land was reserved for the general population.The third ring of land was for the purpose of agriculture,industry and trade.Harbors were connected by a central canal to the vast ocean. Poseidon,the Great Manipulator did overstep the limits of his authority in many of his actions.His involvement with the priestess Cleiteah did come to have great consequences for Atlantis,for together Poseidon and Cleiteah introduced five pairs of offspring.Of these Atlas was the senior male.As time did pass,the 10 matured.Through the political manipulations of Poseidon,Atlantis was apportioned out among the 10.They ruled their lands through a council goernment over which Atlas did preside.The descendants of these ruled in succession thereafter,until the time of the Earth shift which brought destruction to Lemuria and great change to Atlantis. Atlas did maintain the strength of leadership over matters of state,as exhibited by his father before him.It was Atlas who did oversee the completion of the great Temple of Poseidon in Atlantia.He did cause to be constructed a beautiful palace residence for himself and grand facilities for government.All of this would be further embellished by the succession of rulers to follow. Atlas wed Pleioneh,the daughter of Oshenos,great mariner and builder of ships.Together,Atlas and Pleioneh produced 7 daughters.These would come to be known as the Pleiades,named for the 7 Pleiadian stars.These 7 would eventually be transported to their ancestral home world for their educational development. Much later in time,after the demise of the empre,Zeus did gather advisors from among his people.They did reevaluate their involvement with mankind-this due to the degeneration of man's spirituality,ideals and morality.There did come the timewhen Zeus and his people did terminate their involvement with mankind.They adopter strict laws of noninterference and there was no more intercommunication or exchange. They no longer allowed confiramtion of their existence by the human inhabitants of the planet Terra.There were many visitors to the planet Terra in those ages past.Know you now the foundation of those legends and myths which developed through time around Poseidon and the great city. In describing aspects of early Atlantean history,it is important that I speak concerning Belial to provide an understanding of the nature of that being. Know that Belial was brother to Atlan.These were sons of a powerfful king who reigned over 2000 years before the event of the first cataclysm, during the time of the powerful rulers of the old order. Atlan held great interest in studies at the Temple of One and did excel in religion and sociology.Atlan,due to his royal lineage and position as a prince of the realm,did spend many hours engaged in conversation with many high ranking government officials as well as the great thinkers and philosophers of the day.He came to be held in high esteem by many great Atlanteans of the time. Belial,also of royal lineage and position,was as highly intelligent and educated as was his brother Atlan.H edid excel in all areas of endeavor. Belial,did however,have a dark side to his nature.He did hold resentment and jealousy toward his brother.As the eldest,Atlan would inherit all authority and power from his father,the king.Belial would, therefore, consistently uphold an opposing viewpoint to that of Atlan.He did reject the teachings of the One Law.Belial believed in intellect and technology, power and manipulation like his here,Poseidon.He believed that mankind,having gained intellect,creativity and free will,rightly inherits dominion over the Earth and its destiny.He cited the Atlantean civilization in exapmle,having been brought aout through man's own collective manifestation.Atlantis herself was proof of this. Belial believed that man's collective will to progress and evolve would continually expand and accelerate.He believed that the Creator had intended unlimited prosperity for Atlantis and her people.Belial's views would come to influence many people.He did become very popular and very powerful. Thus began a new movement among the people,a movement which would become a religious and political force.It would be a religion which stood for progress and unlimited prosperity.It would be a political force which stood for military power and Atlantean expansionism. It would come to be that Belial did force his brother Atlan from power. Belial did then rule that province of Atlantis which was the greatest and most powerful,that province wherein lay the capital,which was Poseidon. He did will to thrust Atlantis into a period of record growth and prosperity mo matter what means were employed to achieve the desired results.He did bring about what you would term the original secret society,taht which was the Sons of Belial,through which his philosophy would be handed down and his ultimate goal perpetuated to realization.Belial envisioned Atlantis as a truly global empire which would ultimately expand into space. Belial did believe that Atlantean technology would one day carry the empire to include other worlds.Some of his famous words: (Those of the Pleiades,Orion,Sirius and others may appear to be superior beings,and they may appear to command superior technology,but there will come a day when they shall see that we of Atlantis are the master race! We are,in ourselves,Gods! Not only through our royal lineage,but through our own intelligence and device.When all work together toward the one goal,then no achievement is too great and no obstacla insurmountable.Not today,or tomorrow,but in ages to come,the arms of the Atlantean empire shall reach out to the stars!) Belial,King of Poseidia These things did take place early in the history of Atlantis,when Lemuria still held great influence on the Earth.Later on in time,Belial would be remembered as "the father of the Empire".The Sons of Belial were a political and religious power associated with the Temple of the Sun.In the era of the empire these forces did rule.They would bring great cataclysm and destruction such that would change the face of the Earth. Very early in Atlantean history there were those who did undertake the challenges of long distance travel.Such long journeys were of many years duration.Those who returned from such travel carried with them great wealth of knowledge.Otheres never returned to the mother island.There were priests of the Law of One who did journey to far lands in order to explore,to gain knowledge of the Earth and other Life forms,to learn from any peoples they might encounter,and to offer the teachings and meaning of the circle as did relate to the Law of One.This was the Order of the Word,which did go out from the Temple of One in this capacity.And so the priests of the Order of the Word were explorers,naturalists and information gatherers as well as teachers.They found people who had formed circles out of earlier Lemurian contact.They did also find others with no knowledge of same.Atlantean priests did study all things natural,and they sought understanding of the peoples they encountered. Their quest was for the obtainment of knowledge as well as dissemination of same. When Poseidon and his people came upon Atlantis,the order of the Word and its activities did expand,for there were those who would not accept the changes which Poseidon initiated.At this point in time,Poseidon's every word was popular among the majority of the Atlantean peope.The High Council and most of the general public did support Poseidon's proposal's, for it was considered to be the dawn of a new age.This is how the arrival of our relations from the stars was viewed.Their odeas and technology did compel the Atlantean people to accept much and to question little.Perhaps many of them,in their naivete,were like children, yet there were those who questioned,as it should be. The Orde rof the Word was supported by the Pleiadians,the temple leaders and the participating priests and priestesses,though each element did so out of differing motivations.The temple leaders expanded the program to placate the dissenters,the Pleiadians,to eliminate them from the Atlantis theater.Those active within the Order itself were there primarily due to the fact that they opposed Pleiadian influence over the Atlantia issue.They saw the alteration of Atlantia as a desecration of the land.Through the Order they did seek out other places of power and form new circles elsewhere in the world.With the reign of the descendents of Poseidon, others would seek to separate themselves from the "progress" of Atlantean civilization. By the event of the first cataclysm,Atlantis was firmly established in many areas of the Earth.This did include the Americas,Europe and Africa.There was the settlement in the region you know as the Four Corners area of American Southwest.Here both Lemuria and Atlantis shared involvement. The Hopi tribe retains akashic memory of this "first world". Tibetans, Hindus,Native Americans and various other tribal peoples have retained ancient soul memories through the roots of their spiritual practices and beliefs. Mankind has now drifted far from his understanding of the One Law, labeling those who still incorporate some basic One Law knowledge and practice in their belief system as being paganistic and primitive.

80,000 BC-Lemuria was created 70,000 BC-Atlantia was created and Temple of One 58,000 BC-Sons of Belial 48,000 BC-first cataclysm that destroyed Lemuria 41,500 BC-Empire was created 28,000 BC-second cataclysm 10,000 BC-third cataclysm 70,000 years ago from the present,Lemurian explorers did travel to,and settle upon,the land which later came to be known as Atlantis.The first man to circumnavigate the continent was Ammus,who described it as a massive island,larger than his own,centered within the vast ocean to the east. Over 65,000 years ago,early Atlanteans did live within tribal units,similar in many ways to the tribal peoples of present experience.There were 4 primary tribal groups,each of these composed of a number of lesser sub groups.The people did live in peace within a natural environment of abundance.This is not to imply that there was no conflict or confrontation, but that all lived under the Law of One then,and so were in harmony with the flow of the continuum,the natural flow of Life. Living in harmony with the Life force under the Law of One,mankind had not begun to fully develop the capacity for the emotion of anger.This negative has developed over time with the loss of the truth of the One Law from the knowledge of mankind.The experinece of this emotion was not unknown,but anger was geenrally considered undignified and contrary to the One Law.Its occurance was considered an unusual display of negative energy and was rare by modern standards.This emotion is commonplace in the present society,as is violence,rage,and the capacity for hatred.Thus can flourish intolerance and conflict in the individual sense or in the collective form of war. According to the Law of One,all Life is sacred,and so it followed that in the event of conflict,the intent of the combatants was not to inflict death or injury to the physical being,but to prevail over an adversary in a symbolic manner,to cause insult to one's opponent rather than injury-this similar to the concept of sport or much the same as the Native American traditon of counting coups.Under the Lawof One,council government did flourish. Everyone had a voice in the affairs of the community,for all did actively participate in hte collective,and no voice was unimportant. Council government was all inclusive.Lesser councils comprised larger councls,which culminated in htat of the Great Council. This was the wheels within the wheels of teh people's cooperative union under the One Law. This early period was the Golden Age of Atlantis,for all lived in harmony under the Law of One before the event of the arrical of outside forces and the introduction and development of negative thoughts and emotions. These early Atlanteans were aware of thr existence of a truly sacred place,a healing site for the mind and body,for the heart and soul. This was a special site,one of energy and power.Such would be termed today,a vortex of Earth energies. This is where the 4 tribes came together,as it was considered to be common ground,sacred land,the center of our circle.Here came to be the Great Circle,the symbol of the one Law and the place where all people came together.Here did meet the Great Council and have annual gatherings. There would come to be a temple erected there,The Temple of One. There evolved that the people would live on the lands around and beyond this sacred site.They did not construct their dwellings on the site itself,for it was not considered proper to live on sacred ground.This was a place of ceremony,sacred land for the purpose of communion with the Creator and with nature.The people of all tribes did share a common temple and holy place there.The earlier Lemurian settlers and priests had called this place Atlantia,for in their language ,"atlante" menat "that land".And so the people collectively came to be known as the people of Atlantia,or Atlanteans.Upon the vast island continent there were great mountains and there were also volanic peaks.There were,as well.lands of various elevations,and beyond these,the great open plain.Mnay who did cultivate, and those who were agriculturalists,were highly honored for their knowledge and ability to harmoniously interact with and utilize the natural Earth energies.Under the Law of One,the sacred gift of the Creator must be honored;Earth must be acknowledged for all she provides.Thus these growers were also priests as well.The proper prayers,rituals and ceremonials had to be performed in order for the end products to be acceptable. Since things of a spiritual nature were a part of everyday Life,then everyday activities had a spiritual logic as well.For example,to eat was a spiritual act,for one must nourish the physical vehicle,which is sacred. Therefore,one must perform ritual prayer and give thanks to the Creator.One must also acknowledge the physical source of that which is consumed.To Atlanteans of that time,such things as these were understood and acknowledged routinely. Giving,was a part of Life to people.As the Creator gives freely to all people,so all people should give freely of themsleves.Such is the Law of One,and so the more an individual did give to others,then it followed that this individual would be honored by others.THis was not always giving in the material sense,but a giving of the self out of the generosity of the heart.Under the Law of One,all are related,all are One,and this is how we conducted ourselves then. If that which I hae related appears as though a description of the Native American culture of your present experience,it is due to the fact that Native American culture has best preserved a knowledge of One Law principles through the passage of time-this after receiving same from Atlantean contact many ages past. From her shores,the continent of Atlantis was not far distant from the lands known this day as the Americas,Africa and Europe.The early Atlanteans did carry on exploration and trade in those parts of the world.They did also carry on trade wth Lemuria,then dominant on the Earth.This early intercontinental travel could be described as a trickle in comparison to the amount of trade and expansionism that would follow in the age of the empire.Early on,however,such contact and trade did involve the appearance of small outposts and colonies upon the far continents.The outpost,or trading post,was the nucleus for most of these early colonies.This did expand with the progression of related technology, the arrival of our cosmic relations,the conception and growth of the city of Poseidon and the reign of the royal lineage of kings and queens before the event of the first cataclysm.By the time of that event,Atlantis had established herself in mnay areas of the Earth. It was early in the history of Atlantis and her people when our relatives from the stars did make their presence known to us.We did refer to them as our relations,for so they are under the Lawof One.These did consider the people of Atlantis to be advanced beings with great technological capabilities.They did initiate physical contact out of which they developed communications and exchange.At first,the purpose of our space relations had been to study and observe the evolution and development of the human race on Earth.This had been the Titan's purpose of mission.Under Zeus,our relations did undertake the study of mankind in order to determine if mankind would prove to be of an aggressive nature.So did the focus of these relations shift at taht time.So did Zeus authorize,and Poseidon initiate,their direct-contact experiment,which was the Terran project. The person in command of all planetary operations was the one who did come to be known as Zeus,the overlord of his people-this is not the name of an individual but as a certain level of leadership,the rank of an officer. The individual who did maintain authority over all operations and personnel within the Atlantis sector was the sector leader,who was Poseidon.He had been assigned to that position by order of Zeus.

The Story Of Atlantis From an Indian.. A force in my life led me to this. A few years ago I started getting information from very high evolved being who lived in all 3 periods Atlantic culture, Tiagorrah. Tiagorrah says that now is the time for people to return back to live under the Law of One, or the law that everything is connected. In a way I was forced and compelled to write this knowledge and information because its directly related to what is happening in the present time within our society. It is very important that people understand that the history is basically repeating itself. By Tiagorrah, "what led to the destruction of Atlantis is what splits the core of today's society, and this is what leads it to the same experience." It is vital that we wake up and realize where we were headed, so we can make a positive change within ourselves and the world around us. I leave everyone to come to a conclusion whether the information is valid and useful in terms of individual and ultimately for the whole human community. It is interesting to say the Tiagorrah comes from the Sirius star system and was among those in the Pleiades, before he incarnated here long ago. His base platform was a blue planet Terra. At the time of Lemuria and of Atlanitis in the initial period, his mother was called Thesteelae and father Armadus. He was called Thaeles. His father had the position of Earth Keeper and his mother was a priestess. He was trained and approved to be a priest. He lived in the temple and his lifetime.was 900 years. He says that at that time others came from other planets and tha it was a new era of Atlantis. He lived in a period of progress, technology and transition. He was at that time an opponent to building a wall around Atlantis proposed by Poseidon, and that when Poseidon installed his descendants as rulers, he and the other priests have gone from Atlantis because they wanted to preserve the Law of One consciousness from a new religious movement which later manifested as the Temple of the Sun.In the second period of Atlantis was his second incarnation, his father was Cephestes, the high priest of the Temple of One and the mother, Lumina, daughter Theositus-Ra, a leading merchant in the island Og. He was a priest, but he was also an engineer for aircraft. He says that in this period technology rapidly developed. Again he had problems because he did not agree with the political and social structures that began to occur in Poseidon (the city). He says that at that time the state and the military leadership began much to explore and to develop different programs. The military had a vision to make a craft with great destructive power, to use against less developed races and Atlantis to become the dominant world power. This was going against what they were taught in the Law of One. Again he left his position as an engineer because of this and this was a great news then because he was the one who made the biggest transport aircraft and was a well known person. He came back to be a priest in the temple and he became also a teacher there. He was also criticized and favored in his point of view regarding the use of technology with crystals in a disruptive manner, and as a power source for the weapon which was being made then. He believed that aggressive behavior and broadening the territory would only make that everyone would look at the Atlantis as a threat and enemy. He was promoting respect among races, to help others and to promote exchange knowledge and understanding. In in this way Atlantis would become the leader in the world. Political powers at the time felt that Atlantis great wealth and power, its technology, military power give right for Atlantis to be a global power. Many in the state leadership and the industry saw infinite growth of Atlantis, regardless of the way it was. Perfection of crystalline technology and expansion continued. Tiagorrah was an opponent of those who were called sons of Belial. At that time, Atlantis had a conflict in places that are now India and Tibet. People in those parts didn't want Atlantis to send many troops there. Sons of Belial looked at Tiagorrah as a threat. They agreed to discredit and suspend him from the temple. He was taken to Egypt, where he continued to teach people about the Law of One. After he left for America, and there resided with the various Indian tribes. The earlier beliefs about the creation were talked about in generations. The first creatures were etheric. Creator (God) helped to create a physical possibility, and the body so they can experience the Earth plane experience. The Creator did bring about modern man for the karmic progression of lightbeings through the density of the physical world. First they were in Lemuria and then Atlantis. The perception of humanity realizes it's time linearly. The events happening are considered to be a linear continuity. Because that its accepted that 40,000 years were passed from a cave man to modern man. This is a misinterpretation because of the limited perception. Time is cyclical rather than linear. Man's collective experiences are karmic cycles . These are the cycles of humanity and incarnation. The first man has appeared in the land known as Mu or Lemuria 80,000 years ago, and then in Atlantis 10,000 years later. Lemuria was destroyed 50,000 years ago when the Earth shifted its poles. Atlantis survived, but the big island broke in several places. The first cycle of created Man was in Lemuria by which the it was brought to Atlantis. That was before the destruction of Lemuria. In this time where people now live, everything that was connected and united in The Law of One disappeared. This is the cycle of darkness for mankind and Earth. It is a time of wars, social and economic collapse, suffering. This is the time when the powerful that are greedy and corrupt are dominant. At the end of this cycle, mankind will experience a great cataclysms of their hands, not natural, and the destruction of the planet within the planet. And then the fifth age of mankind on Earth will occur. Know that there are cycles in the universe. Cycles of Mother Earth. On Earth, there are cycles of collective humanity, within which there are cycles of human civilization. Woven with these cycles are individual beings. Everything is clean, everything is interconnected, and so there is a Law of One. From the Pleiades, Arcturus, Orion, Sirius, Andromeda, etc ... they came and met the witness the first steps of infantile humanity is created. They came to study development. The aim of this was to be better able to understand ourselves, the universe, and All That Is (all that exists). Some have decided not to interfere, while others chose to get involved. They settled on the platform over the Earth, where they had a base. Cronos, Syrian and his asistent Ree, who was a geologist at the Pleiade. Thousands of years Cronos had authority and he sent his analysis of everything to Pleiadian high council.

par·a·phrase ˈperəˌfrāz/ verb verb: paraphrase; 3rd person present: paraphrases; past tense: paraphrased; past participle: paraphrased; gerund or present participle: paraphrasing 1. express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity. If you twist my words just to make humor out of it with no greater clarity achieved you can't really call that paraphrasing. I believe there is something going on between you and that individual, its an energy transfer and that is what I was referring to but ur trying to divert the attention from this just to prove some of your level points - probably trying to imply that I'm into some kind of duality thinking of you as a dude that shoots energy out of his head as if the rest of us aren't able to make the same conclusions on duality. Also I already told what I think of these types of level classifications in my first post here which are just mind concoctions but u haven't made a comment about it. To continue.. For example when your physical body dies (feel free to paraphrase) and everyone at your funeral see's with their physical eyes your dead body that used to type on dao bums I believe this individual you speak of would loose all his levels and powers within a month or even within days from that moment on, because your SOUL would be so far away with no physical body to channel it and neither astral body present here so this energy transfer that is going on between you on regular basis won't happen in the same manner (you won't be able to talk to this person as before and physical presence DOES have an effect energetically a lot). What then? If that happens it would mean that you who or whatever you are will fail the mysterious apprentice. And to make the matter worse this individual might think that all astral stuff (which most that comment on it have very little experience with it) is "lower" therefore not something to be pursued (since the astral body is in contact with the soul it has its own values but these are undermined with the "lower" stuff) which will just lead to a guaranteed failure and to ordinary death in the end. In a less dramatic scenario you would be like what Jesus stands for today, a religious myth that is told in stories which are not as nearly as powerful when he was present here alive on Earth. But since you say this person is completely stable on is own then there is nothing to be worried about right? When your astral body disintegrates because you left it undeveloped your soul will know that its because it wasn't quite under your power to control it but rather at the very edge of it as if its outside of its range. Then you might as well say that it seemed as if your soul visited different dimensions of being which in turn produced a impression you have a body. Just my take on it..

I never said that please don't twist my words. The challenge was meant for the person you mentioned in the OP not you just to keep that in mind. Also since your speaking in the behalf of the person's achievements you might as well say who this member is. Anyway cool on the formless realms wish I knew whats all the fuss about.

Yes I believe this realization is dependent on your energy Jeff and if you cut this supply of energy by cutting of contacts for over a month and still being able to do it as a permanent realization I'll personally consider this achievement be it this person or me or someone else. I might be wrong..

I agree with Jeff on the drug thing, they aren't as powerful to give a full astral experience. Astral is pretty much like having a conversation with your soul which is different then being the soul which is more powerful since it directly tackles the core of our being. Real progress for me is advancement on all levels which is what impeccability is and when this is done then one is capable of making a final decision, this is what true freedom is. Saying something is higher then the other just because you are good at one thing and too lazy to work on another level just tells me how much you are based on mind classifications which are fueled with self importance. What are the measures of real progress here? Who is the authority on the progress, is it the mind or something real because the first one we can easily all do?! Just as drugs make you dependent so do gurus make you and in the end both fail you as they go away and you are left to your own resources. If this person you speak of has achieved real progress I congratulate that's really big! But if you may allow me to throw a little challenge and dare this person to throw away all physical and cyber contacts with you Jeff for a whole month and then to come here on the chat so all the members can feel the "moon high" energy of this member and if its still present as high as you state then we could open a whole new topic on gossiping our favorite gurus kidding a bit but I do believe this type of experimentation could only benefit this person. Otherwise you could drive someone to mexico, finding him a house and a job there while his only task is to keep it and stay there and we might call this a big achievement for this person. Really? Lastly I apologize if I misunderstood something here and this person has achieved a higher level on his own without your help.

If you want to learn another language you can go to another country and learn it directly by being surrounded with the people that talk it. The same goes for energy practices you just learn it be silently being present around masters of the art witnessing what they do. But if you go to India to learn Chinese you won't really benefit from it and this is what I think happens to people that try to do energy practices by reading books that come from old ages, they understand something alright even within their bodies but is that really it? If I remember Taoist Alchemy goes on for more then 9 years of practice and then you are achieved probably meaning you are an "immortal". Some hindu gurus got enlightened in 1 day and they believe they are immortal too. Both can't be the same that's for sure. If there are serious practioners of Taoist alchemy here on board or masters of the art I would like to ask one question. Since the book material I've encountered has lots of practices in them what is the most single important technique of the practice? Thanks

The way I see it alchemy is an old word that comes from the past, while a modern approach or translation would simply be changing the levels of awareness. In old times alchemy was a modern approach and was resembling that ages development of science which was the reason to compare it with the elements that belong to it such as "lead" "salt" etc. Now at this age alchemy falls a lot under mystical and rather complex tones which aren't as easy to understand and I think this is why some think its a special unique thing. I'm not trying to equate all traditions here but rather trying to understand the age it comes from which for me is important as this is exactly the place from which the masters of the art came to be realized and they explained it in the language they had at disposal. In modern times we have more resources at disposal and science already developed on its own course, scientists already discovered energy is the underlying base of the universe but understanding it with the mind and feeling there is energy in the universe its still a huge gap between so I'm not sure how much will the language of a particular age help to close that gap. One must tackle this for himself and in my opinion the more mystical words get the less we understand them in modern ages so better keep it simple and within our grasp as you cant really explain changing the levels of awareness if you aren't experiencing it yourself, true knowledge is in the doing.

The blob of light (obscured or nonobscured) is the crown chakra viewed from a different energy body. Crown chakra can be seen in many ways not just as a swirling vortex or a blob of light all depending on the energy body you are using. The energy body models itself by a dimension it occupies, while the dimension itself is a universal chakra connected into our own body. We are modeled after the universe, how God or Universe experiences itself we do as well to some degree. There are as many crown chakras as there are main chakras in our bodies. In total there its a collection of 49 chakras that come in sets of 7, each set belonging to a particular dimension or reality we can experience. That's why some people think they can see chakras outside their bodies. Some energy bodies see chakra models and some see blobs of light, both use a different "crown" or mind. At what you describe as "obscured blob of light" the power chakra sits almost outside of it in the form of a powerful focused pointer, which if compared to the "blob" or a "sphere" is like a "pyramid" or a "triangle". The heart chakra is more on the "inside" of this view. The function of the crown chakra is to unite all the chakras in a coherent reality and it also acts as the universal mind. Our root gives us a sense of the body and every other chakra adds a "dimension" to a particular reality. Chakra models seen as swirling vortexes belong to the mental body but there is another type of non-mental body that belongs to the heart level and there the entire infinity and universe is experienced as an endless streams that flows trough flower like chakras. If you would focus on a single chakra in this universe it would resemble the mental view of the chakras because of its circular motion, but it isn't mental. There is a mysterious force that manipulates these infinite chakras to spin in both directions at the same time and also stops them. There are many layers of circulation inside the chakras and colors, some spin slowly some spin in different direction and some don't spin. This is also why Heart - Mind are opposites and relate to each other because it can be seen energetically. The Heart directly connects you with infinity if you manage to experience it as a crown chakra, it just has to be opened wide enough energetically to act as infinity You can do it directly if you have enough energy or you can do it by first practicing other modalities or if someone else shows you how. Crown openings are just the beginning and only a master and a lineage can guide you trough it as there are many other chakras to be "opened" inside a reality. Yoga scratches the surface with the chakras and it begins with classifying their mental components trough practices of focusing on them as parts of your body but when kundalini enters a chakra then this chakra gets opened at the crown level and you enter into a new energetic dimension. Kundalini is a force that can open every chakra and the force that creates them so when this happens they aren't classic chakras anymore, but transform into what people call "Higher Selves". Depending on the chakra it opens up one of these "selves" can be called "Tao Body" etc. In reality chakras are everything, not just some "points" or "coat buttons". They are "The Seats Of Awareness".

It all depends on your intent and how you do things. With active will power you can achieve anything you want. Everything in the universe circulates and if you manage to get to the starting point thus make a circle you can always set up a new beginning and discover something new. Just running in circles wont get you anywhere unless you do things in the way you don't usually do them. Try silencing your internal dialog while you do the practice because that is the most beneficial thing that happens subconsciously with all the practices out there, this will put you in a place where the impossible is possible. Other then that circulation of energy is about transformation as fire is transformative, you will gain energy, you will heal and you will develop your inner vision and hearing. You will come to a point where microcosmic circulation becomes universal and you will gather the energy directly from the universe while residing in deep meditation, it will all be spontaneous. This is not the only practice, there are many practices and having awareness is what counts, if you do things with awareness then you can achieve something, otherwise automatic doing wont get you anywhere. The technique I described is a fire breath that belongs to Toltec tradition and its incorporated with the teaching as an aid to gather energy for dreaming, for freedom.

Yes there is and it goes like this: Pull and connect the perineum with all of your lower energy together with the navel point inside the navel. The connection will happen inside the navel at its lowest point and it will feel as well as if you are pushing the navel down to connect with the flexed area of perineum and around it. Here at the coccyx you will feel internal heat and once you feel it start transferring the heat to the coccyx and upward trough the back spine channel. You can use in-breath to help yourself but intent is how you do it, just remember to keep your navel and perineum flexed together the whole time as you guide the heat. First start step by step until you feel your whole back channel heated up, use as many inhales as you need. When you reach the back of the head you can use the soft entrance and enter with the heat into your mid brain and the whole brain. You can use your nostril in-breath to help yourself at this point. Go slowly and enjoy it most importantly this will put you at ease. Now connect your tongue with the mouth palate and guide the heat into your throat from the brain/third eye. At this point you should see for yourself that the whole front pathway feels liquid like as if you can swallow the heat trough it. The feeling of heat will change and it will become a liquid heat instead of the rising heat that you felt at the back channel. Again if you have difficulties go step by step and transfer the heat from the head trough your throat into your arms and feel it there first, use as many exhales you need and help yourself with the nostril exhale. Then you will find it easy to transfer the liquid fire down the "water" channel. This liquid fire can be used for healing while the back rising fire is used to feed your third eye. The important center to reach with the liquid fire is the center deep inside down the navel. The liquid fire feeds this point which is the center of will. From here you can easily make more rising fire and circle it again or spread it through your whole body and aura. The energy body is/does the spreading while the fire is here to give vision and healing. Another note is that once you operate from the will center it will be very easy for you to hold any image in your mind/body while you meditate.

I agree with Orion on this one even tho I would like to be hyperflexible myself I just got nerve inflammation from trying to get it. If you want your posture to change then you should connect your perineum with your navel point at the navel point and then maintain the energy trough your body from this point, this will help you straighten - connecting your upper energy with your lower energy and rising it. Otherwise you will always struggle as if it is a physical thing to keep straight, at least thats how it went with me. I would recommend to put a pillow and sit in half lotus and switch left/right legs as much and then sit normally in a chair (which is also great, just like walking or standing can be) and again combine that with full lotus. Also practice the comfortable/dominant leg more then the other. After you can do full lotus you can bring your knees closer to each other and put your feet higher on your legs, this will stretch your legs enough by itself so you dont have to do 2-3 separate stretching exercises to be able to work on full lotus. Thats just my opinion based on my experience, I would say its better to work steady for months and years then doing too much stuff especially if you are sensitive.