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Makes sense. Look at Machivelli's the Prince or much earlier the Art of War. In order to influence change and get the message out there it needs to be targeted at change makers. TTC is a universal text we all read it as we may but given the context of the time it was written an imperial elite readership would do more with it than say the customs guy on the gate it was supposedly written 'for' in the first place. Just wish some of our rulers today would maybe take a bit more interest in TTC... . for example... If government is muted and muffled People are cool and refreshed......

Makes sense. Look at Machivelli's the Prince or much earlier the Art of War. In order to influence change and get the message out there it needs to be targeted at change makers. TTC is a universal text we all read it as we may but given the context of the time it was written an imperial elite readership would do more with it than say the customs guy on the gate it was supposedly written 'for' in the first place. Just wish some of our rulers today would maybe take a bit more interest in TTC... . for example... If government is muted and muffled People are cool and refreshed......

Makes sense. Look at Machivelli's the Prince or much earlier the Art of War. In order to influence change and get the message out there it needs to be targeted at change makers. TTC is a universal text we all read it as we may but given the context of the time it was written an imperial elite readership would do more with it than say the customs guy on the gate it was supposedly written 'for' in the first place. Just wish some of our rulers today would maybe take a bit more interest in TTC... . for example... If government is muted and muffled People are cool and refreshed......

Skunk. That way I'd have the town to myself.

Excellent post. Now how do you square this Aaron with the other one hounding SunLover? Maybe with due cause but nevertheless, hounding.

Ah knowledge seems such power. But she is a fickle mitress.. "99.9% sure" is good but beware creating injustice Aaron. The world is not short of police officers and one signifier of a police state is suppression of dissent. :-)

Assumptions and lucky guesses aint psychic powers bro any more than someone claiming to be something online necessarily is whatever it is that they say they are.

Well not for us to judge eh? Trick is to ignore posts we don't like. Expect the mods would ban anyone doing that sort of sick stuff and SunLover hasn't. I hear what you are saying Aaron and respect your opinion but the burden of proof rests with the prosecution and there's no proof. Yet. Innocent unless proven guilty eh? If it were a crime to be odd then we'd all of us be in trouble.

Just the punchline.......... "Yes of course. You are right". ;-)

Yes the scientistic crowd do use that one. Whatever supports a thesis is always welcomed. Other readings are made of the same passage but no single reading will convince another interpreting the same passage differently. Chang Tzu does not say this or that explicitly, it simply says hence all readings,and readers; are equal and equally valid. Any belief about what a Taoist text says is quite different to the text itself. Belief being another burden shed along the path. Hopefully.

Sorry to hear about Mrs FueYue. One thing positive though....Drunken Master players seldom get hurt. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on the Drunken Fist player in any mixed bout. PS old joke. Two Buddhists talking. One says. Who do you think would win in a fight, Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Other guy replies.... Well my money would be on the Panchen Lama. But I am not a Ti Bettin' man.

Ergo sum. In knowing ourselves if we then resolve to treat others as we would hope to be treated by them........ VOILA! Back on topic of 'Religion'. For example....... 'I know I am Taliban and that guy isn't. Hence that guy is an infidel' or 'I like it when folks are nice to me. I will be nice to folks'.

Our dogs can eat from knives,forks or spoons it's not having opposable thumbs that prevents them from holding same. Not lack of intelligence. Aaron if SunLover has hurt you in the past just let it go bro.

;-) Patronising? Moi ! Well how clever of you to notice. :-) Too easy...........

You do realise that some poor sod in Langley is having to read this thread don't you? Hi Bob. Did your wife find out about Vegas yet? You naughty boy!

Evolution is a man made concept. Had to be a man who came up with the notion cos women are just so much wiser. Something changes into something else is a nice idea and on a very limited scale that works. Hence we see Great Danes and Yorkshire Terriers. But both know that inside they are dogs [The Yorkie really knows that she is actually 'Fang The Slayer of Worlds' whereas the Great Dane is 'Mr Cuddles'. Hence whenever they meet she challenges him to..... "BRING IT ON BIG BOY AND LET'S SEE HOW LONG THOSE ANKLES OF YOURS WILL LAST!"]. To ascribe any man made theory such as evolution to Tao is whimsical at best. Tao cannot be described so why waste cultivation-time trying to do so?

Welcome Marwan. How different and why? Seeing awakened as a good state shows that you certainly aren't asleep. QiGong is a nice gentle cultivation. Eight Strands of Silk Brocade is just complex enough to make for interesting leraning and as you improve you technique each day you will feel noticeably 'better' in all sorts of ways. The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. Enjoy.

Boffing students is just not on. First thing we teach 'em here at guru school is 'keep your dhoti on'. Tantra's most often just a shorthand term for 'wishful thinking done by lonely men'. Honey... if they were gettin' it they wouldn't be wasting time writing so much about it online here and elsewhere. ;-)

Just a wild thought here but maybe the enlightened don't 'seek power to force change' because they are enlightened. Ones I know who are enlightened never talk about it they just ARE it.

Quite right. I am looking forward to going to bed soon.

In India we got coconut milk fresh. Lovely stuff. Here in England it comes in tins and is nowhere near as nice. Good for cooking with though.

Not round here thank goodness. If you don't pay taxes they can come after your assets but apart from that you're left alone. If someone is buying a property via a mortgage then it belongs to the mortgage holder til that is paid off but if you own it outright and debt free and the land too then you have freehold. You can't take it with you but whilst you're here on this side of life you tend to be left alone. Cats Protection League are having ours house and land when we've both left the body. Provided they look after any remaining pets in great luxury til those pass they can do as they choose with it then. We won't care.

If more Xtians saw things like you do turtle it'd be a happier religion than it is in some of its manifestations. Jolly good post. There is a Catholic meditation movement. Guy called John Main started it. Carmelite monk he was,left his body now but te idea goes on. There are books and they run workshops. Also there was that guy who started a Hindu cum Xtian Ashram i India. Forget his name but he was a Xtian priest. The Cistercian Thomas Merton was on our wavelength too before his tragic accident and early demise. There's a interfaith council in our local city. Nice enough group once a month. Bit of a talking shop but the catering is excellent.

You are not alone in finding some Buddhisms disempowering K. It's something we hear now and again from people who come to our centre after dabbling in Buddhism and finding it not to their taste. Putting the beliefs to one side what the experience many newcomers have with Buddhism is that it seems elitist. The shaven headed coves in robes are very much the bees knees in English Buddhist centres and the folk in ordinary clothes are very much treated as 'second best'. The Tibetans are the worst offenders. Western Buddhists not so much but still very cliquey. You don't get that division in Taoist centres. Everybody is equal and newcomers are valued. Maybe because we are more of a do it yourself path whereas in Buddhism they like to have ordained people 'doing it for and to people'.

......................................................... Fair enough. We keep pretty busy in England with entity clearing and fortune telling too. It is a major income stream for Taoist centres here much the same as in HK and Taiwan. More people come to our centre for fortune telling than any other reason.