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ok, so the first level develops the upper center and then you work your way down? is that fair to say?

Do you mean too much energy in the UDT and less in the MDT & LDT? Does that mean,in your experience, that there is not enough (or as much as other systems) rooting/grounding and lower center development in Kunlun/Red Phoenix?

Discussing this matter back and forth without having researched tho possible existing evidence is futile. On the contrary, Dorian Black - i've found the last few comments you've had back and forth with MooNinite very useful. Obviously the aim is to reach the truth, but sometimes an uneducated banter leads to the inspirational fuel required to research it more fully. Thanks for your insights.

Thanks Grady. I find this a fresh perspective. It's one thing to constructively display the skills that the work bestows, its yet another to abuse/flaunt them. Congratulations on your recent attainment, it sounds like you have found a great system and teacher to work with. May the force be with you always.

You were Immortal before you wrote anything - you are the Immortal Book. And personally I'm enjoying reading you...apparently even the facetious chapters.

The question WAS answered, but that does not mean it was the correct answer; either way if I decided to answer it, then it was meant to be answered. You cannot separate yourself or your questions (rhetorical or otherwise) from co-creation. Take a look at Descartes concept of the "death of the author". Your question is immortal once you ask it. Infact it was immortal before you even poised it - it has always been even if you'd never poised it. Nothing was meant for anything but the experience of it, and that experience my friend we are creating together

If it was answered than it was meant to be answered.

Great question. Immortal lineages with connections to ancestry may have passed down knowledge developed over thousands of years, some Immortals still interact with humans, intuition, past-life memories, a little birdy might tell you?

Thanks! Are you a Mo Pai student?

Thanks! I have the Bliss Of Inner Fire text, though have not started on it yet. Is this all there is to Tummo, or are there higher formulas beyond that text?

Great post liminal! Make your troubles the cherished coal waiting for transmutation into gold. "And it's precisely the part of myself that resists merging with the Tao that wants immortality." See it like a space shuttle booster rocket. It's that drive that gets you there, but it then has to be allowed to fall away, offering no resistance, allowing for the blossom to take place. Attachment of non-attachment.

You're a very cooling and calming presence Wu Ming Jen, thanks for sharing.

Thanks Dorian Black. What school does this info come from/do you study?

So, would you say that an immortal (after the physical body dies) still needs to cultivate to remain immortal?

To say it is illusion does not say it does not exist;it exists, it is just existing as illusion. But.. what if it's the toilet? Shit happens! Edit:It is also possible that something exists and does not exist.So, it follows that there is no lunch, while there is lunch.

"'Who can become a spiritual immortal without going mad?'" He who is already Mad at the outset!

Nice calm, balanced response, thanks. "If you become immortal, you can probably choose to be reborn if you want to" - Yes, I (soul) have been Immortal (both physical & Spiritual) in past incarnations - and yes, I've incarnated successively since. "Bodhisattvas plant causes for themselves to be reborn to return to the world to teach." Yes, but it is usually that we are asked or called upon to do such, rather than needing to, or seeking to return for anything other than service. "But either way, immortals don't live forever, just a really really long life span, because they are still subject to karma, however little there is left." Yes, I'd agree - 700 odd years is the longest I can recall (physical immortality). But the soul feels it fair too long and extravagant. Regarding spiritual/celestial immortality, time is no longer the frame. "If you wanted to cross over with a SO" - what does SO mean? "but more likely than not I don't see a reason why you would do it unless it was a wholesome decision." - when 2 souls have had uncountable incarnations together, the personality gravitates together as one. So, my partner and I have seen that we do spend the future afterlife together, so I'm just feeling out the Taoist Immortality theory/situation. I'm just not putting my finger on the context of how it is for a taoist immortal that "dies physically" and has his partner "die physically" later. Ie I feel that there is no boundary that can prevent whatever you want when a given level of celestial immortality is achieved. ie if it were a question of either I would forgo immortality to be with her in the light - as I am not attached to Immortality - just drawn to it.

Well, I've never really followed any path to be fair. Until the last few years..where I have been practicing Universal Tao - One Clouds Formulas. But, I'm interested in Mo Pai, Long men Pai, JAJ's work I'm finding interesting. I guess I'm seeking a clear path of Nei Gong that is accessible for one that prefers distance study. I've had a go with Kabbalah but prefer the inside-out, bottom-up approach of taoist nei-gong (as opposed to the outside-in, top-down approach of kabbalah). While I do resonate with the pathwork of Kabbalah, I find my sensitivity makes it very strong and induces psychosis within a few breaths at times. So, a Taoist path in short - but only because of recent times I have been able to do such work again... During the ascension process (2010-2011/12) I was unable to even do qigong as the shifting of the grid made me extremeley nauseous as soon as i'd start. When I was a child I was very different. I was constantly called upon by spirit to do spiritual work for them/the all. But going through crises I pushed it away. I found it hard to balance a sleeping family with Immortals and past-masters coming to me asking me to stop tsunamis and hold dams together with my intention. That is the kind of thing they had me do from time to time, and while I had a masters understanding, I also had a child's mind and emotions - without any family support to accommodate it. But, that was the path. Like meteorite hitting the surface of the earth, plunging under the crust, into the darkness, laying dormant until the ascension process asked for it to begin. We are almost there now, and so the preparations have begun. I am being drawn to the Taoist Nei Gong work - but it seems Mo Pai is a closed door, Long Men Pai is open but the door is jammed ajar. Universal Tao has been and continues to be great, but there it seems to lack the lower dantien work (fusion etc) so I'm seeking more. Spirit is getting clearer again now, but we are still being held back until the lower rungs of humanity take up the new grid and we'll be flung forward and asked to establish the new blueprint. The new earth will begin in proper. So, the pathless one that seeks the light he knows is within.

Thanks for this... "is it actual immortality, or just long enough to stick around to be with your beloved until they cross over?" Immortality - we can stick around without being immortal. "Also is there some reason that you would end up immortal but they would not?" - if they did not do the work, that's all. But, having said that I feel that a highly evolved soul could be immortal without the work. They could "come in" that way.

its all illusion. there is no lunch.

mmm, agree - probably getting free breakfast and dinner too!! Lucky SOBitches! (Ooh sorry SOGods!)

oh, man you can't like posts twice so i'm gonna unlike this and like it again!

Cane? Is that for hobbling through it or whipping people? Just ask Seth, or better yet ask his nephew!

..I ask my higher, lower and middle self the said question: Reply: We/you are the lunch, the lunch money, the cook, the cleaner, the payee, and the payer - so now you tell me you're still hungry for more? No problammo kiddo - what's on your menu?

This would depend on the soul. Yeshua cares. Yeshua still engages with us. I guess it depends on what you mean by "care".