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Yes, in a big way, but seek not any Qi...seek only that which brings you home. I was once electrocuted slowly for a 3 month period, though my telephone headset. I was throwing up a couple time a day, and became hyper-aware of the Yang electrical spectrum and lost most awareness of Yin Earth field. I had an intimate relationship with any and every electrical field, all with their own signature hums. Completely uprooted, distance from the earth grounding. The power I accumulated was immense, I started to see the electrical fields and given my level of entrainment could manipulate electrical fields with my energy body, thought and emotions (between bouts of rage, vomit, and mental and emotional anguish). One day I became so frustrated with the daily onslaught of pain, nausea and inner terror that I just started fighting back at them. A nonsensical development, but an ignition of will none the less... I was keeled over in pain and overwhelm with the microwave oven (we had one at that time) one morning, and my exacerbation climaxed. I lashed out at the ovens field surging with mine and pushed back all of its energy - purging myself of it in righteous cataclism. The microwave oven immediately went "BOOM! PAK!" - and I immediately smelt its metallic death scent. It never worked again. A few months later (it took 3 years to right myself eventually) I did the same with our mains power when the ceiling fan above me was getting too boisterous, pushing me around - I pushed back and the mains blew - not just the trip switch, haha we had to get a bloke in And according to the laws of thermodynamics AC/DC energy converts to heat when absorbed into the body. It's hot and dirty, and puts body cells into an uprooted spin, suspending normal bio-function. Yes, you can definitely use "AC or DC electricity to give us Chi energy" - but my advice would be to make sure you are getting a healthy balance of the right type of Qi for whatever realm you wish to resonate within. Nature is a better, cleaner source of "external" power - and once your "gathering qi" is mature, its a bigger source for you.

What are you waiting for? One's shadow is a wellspring of power, the raw materials for infinite manifestation in light. To acknowledge and leave alone is to nurture... The path of awareness and the path of experience are both available to us. When we acknowledge the root of darkness within and do nothing, it grows. When we choose that path we enter the path of awareness through experience, rather than the pure light of awareness - hitting at the very heart of the meaning of life... To let wither has less power than to enlighten. When you enlighten that acknowledged shadow, it fights for life giving up its primordial power unto thine own will. When you enter the path of awareness through experience - you are walking into the (in this example) alchemy of relationships. If we go within and heal acknowledged shadow we remove the need to manifest inner shadow in the outer holographic illusion. Our biggest asset in the alchemy of relationships is the illusion of other. When we buy into the illusion of darkness within we buy a ticket for the illusion of other in the external dream. She is coming to do the gardening that you neglected, thinking it marvelous to acknowledge said shadow and leave it underground - she hears the calling, creates the scenario, hoes it up to the light of day and leaves it to dry in the sun. Poison it with light before it grows into 3D.

Yes round, but think in triangles as a power structure emanating like a icosahedron structure.

Max makes it pretty clear that he suggests NOT mixing Kunlun with Fire Path work? Does anyone have exprerience with this? Have you practiced Kunlun with other Neigong of Fire Path Nature? I'd consider Mantak Chia's Fusion & Kan & Li work to be Fire Path - has anyone mixed Mantak Chia's Fusion & Kan & Li work with Kunlun? Did you explode? lol p43, Kunlun System by Max Christensen

Though, having said that - I'm sure once I do master it all - I'll be mixing the two just to see what happens....

Great reply, Aeth..thanks. I was hoping to come to that conclusion based on what I've intuited thus far, so its nice to hear from you My alternate nostril breathing practice was the main point of contention for me, as it whips up a huge amount of rising internal fire through chong mai. I'd come to that (not on the same day) conclusion for some of my other practices already, so your post was a nice jigsaw piece along with Sotg's post above - and some kind words from JoeBlast on email Like anything, a balanced approach, coupled with a firm intention for what you are trying to actually achieve (and where you want to get to) with each practice, and all practice generally. So, to y'all: I'll see you in eternity

Yes, this keeps coming to me whilst trying to reconcile it. I keep seeing a path unfolding in my mind, over a long reference period. I keep getting an image of bringing Heaven energy down and earth energy up and the two yin and yang streams mixing in LDT, but then that mixing point ascends to MDT after a time (once a tipping point is reached), and then to UDT after a time - and then, after a time all three merge into one big center and the merging expansion continues out into the cosmos. So, whilst I understand the analogy of trains crashing into each other on the same track...I'm a bit confused as I see the mixing of yin and yang as a primordial return...a good thing. Maybe Max has it there as a safety for the beginner? Not to mix them too fast, too much at a time...? With internal projection when I have seen yin energy (just tiny sparks not a river ) ascend rapidly to meet a rapidly descending yang spark - the two dance together and become one at which point they build tremendous power and surge through the channels (the yang spark came from behind ming men though not down through the crown, and the yin "spark" up through huiyin). But I'd suppose if those sparks were exponentially larger or more numerous it would be intense to say the least... Rocket Fuel! Sotg, you're making me want to do things that my spirit coaxes me toward. Maybe I should just throw caution to the wind!!? lol

"For those who practice various forms of yoga, a “don’t” method is Bikram (hot) yoga, bastrika methods or various forms of kundalini. The reason is that with Kunlun, we are practicing the “Water path” or downward flow through the spine, while others methods are the upward or “fire’ path. The Kunlun path is gentle, peaceful, without using force, while the fire path is more aggressive in nature, meant to open the chakras through alternate nostril breathing, fire breathing and other fire based practices. Now kriya yoga will work fine with Kunlun, as long as the practices are separated by at least four hours. White tantric kundalini that uses mantras is also fine. Emptiness methods, laughing methods, mantras, other Taoist methods like five elements, pole standing and Chinese martial arts can also compliment this art." Max Quoted from http://www.primordialalchemist.com/blog/kunlun-dos-and-donts/ So, "other Taoist methods like five elements" - I wonder if that covers Fusion of the Five Elements....probably, as there is no direction of energy or the pearl up Chong Mai until Cosmic Fusion where there is a definite rise of fire up the central channel/chongmai/sushumna...

Well, a basic paraphrasing would be that "in the Fire Path, one creates the upward flow of fire originating in the perineum, representing the flow of Earth up toward Heaven. In the Water Path, one creates a downward flow of water originating in the Heart and represents the "essence of Heavenly Way"". His key concern is stated as not wanting to flow water down and fire up through the same track (Sushumna/Chong Mai/Thrusting Channel) with the two energies "colliding"... So, Fire Path - Fire up Sushumna (ie Kundalini work, Kriya Yoga, any work taking fire up Chong Mai) Water Path - Water down Sushumna...

You won't have to sotg, I can/have seen it - but, you will choose to - a few thousand years will pass and it will become attractive again - drawing you back here to quell that insatiable desire to teach what you know, just like it brought you here this time. You wouldn't have missed what's about to transpire...you wont miss what will transpire then either. Obsessive compulsive love disorder.

Hmm, I'm not so sure on that assumption. Agreed said realisation was more than tacet in the OP. But, a silent realisation is still none the less...? It's tough to pry frustration from the face of the realisation that humanity is sending itself off the rails, agreed. But, yes, the all is well ahuh moment does kick in around the time you do realise that they are choosing all of this because the alternative is entirely repugnant to them right now... The pure light of awareness can get tiring. I feel that 4bsolute knows well the true beauty in ugliness... William StreetThe red globe of light, the liquor green, the pulsing arrows and the running fire spilt on the stones, go deeper than a stream; You find this ugly, I find it lovely Ghosts' trousers, like the dangle of hung men, in pawn-shop windows, bumping knee by knee, but none inside to suffer or condemn; You find this ugly, I find it lovely. Smells rich and rasping, smoke and fat and fish and puffs of paraffin that crimp the nose, of grease that blesses onions with a hiss; You find it ugly, I find it lovely. The dips and molls, with flip and shiny gaze (death at their elbows, hunger at their heels) Ranging the pavements of their pasturage; You Find this ugly, I find it lovely . ------ Each to their own, huh?

The position of the tongue for the MCO (ie linking Du Mai & Ren Mai) is just behind the top front teeth (Fire Element Position). The Earth Position is at the floor of the mouth, The Metal Position is right at the point where the upper and lower teeth meet, the Water position is at the back of the mouth toward the Uvula, and the Wood Position is on the Top of the palate ie about midway between the Fire and Water Positions. So, if you take your tongue too far back on the palate, away from the tooth/gum line - you will move from Fire, to Wood. The whole point of doing the Fire Position for MCO is linking Du Mai & Ren Mai into a continuous loop, a loop which circuits the qi to/past all of the major energy centers, glands, nadis, channels etc (a mirror of the solar cycle in the "celestial body" if you will). The movement of qi flowing up the Du Mai and Down the Ren Mai is the Fire Cycle of the MCO, while the movement in reverse - up the Ren Mai and down the Du Mai is, inversely, the Water Cycle of the MCO.

Lower Back Pain is fundamentally, usually, due to Yin Deficiency in some form. The Kidneys, being the Root of Yin, the center of the body's Yin and Yang, the "Root of Life", and the "Root of all the Organs". In TCM, the kidneys are described as housing the essence and being the root of yin and yang for the entire body-mind. If the relationship between the kidneys, the lower dantien, huiyin, yong quan, the anus, ming men, jing, calmness, gentleness, water and the core of the earth are all tonified and regulated - the presence of lower back pain is usually minimal. When we leak jing, which we do incessantly, constantly, we step every moment toward the dissolution of the ability for our spirit to anchor into form via essence. These Kidney Medical Qigong Sets done for 2-5 mins daily will sort out lower back pain very easily (provided you don't mind being labelled a Ball Hugger! )

Absolutely beautiful, Des.

One theory is that boredom is the stagnant sate of unwillingness to try something different, to change...

I disagree, I think you'd be back here again imho You wrote that from your personality, not solely from spirit. When in spirit you would place yourself wherever you and the all need you - irrespective of the pain of it, its' all for the highest thing at that level... If you immortalised your "personality", then that would be another thing, and another thread

It's easy to play victim and blame other people, governments etc for controlling and poisoning us...but that is not taking responsibility. All of the suffering, animal suffering, human suffering, environmental destruction blah, blah blah repeater all comes down to one thing alone. The choice of humanity to sleep. We chose long ago to "take a rest" from responsibility. And responsibility is about response-ability, not about a set of righteous rules we must follow or we are not responsible. Humanity chose to sleep because taking full responsibility became tiring for us, too much spiritual work to do, too much to feel and respond to. So, yes many creatures sadly die - but they do so in service to humanity. All of the animals (at the soul group level, and many at individual level) know that things changed due to this decision made by humanity. And when that decision was made, it was answered by the universe in the from of compassion... So how can compassion answer said call with such suffering - well, it does not have that choice - it is "in compassion" for our free will. But, all is well - both suffering and awareness lead to compassion. Humanity never said it wanted to do it forever, so there is coming a time where it reverts unto light once more. No, not religious dogmatic bullshit - simple wisdom gleaned straight from the face of Source. There is no right choice...vegan, vegetarian, omnivore... There is just causation. Eat animal products and you ingest pain, suffering, and the essence of non-responsible action. But, to some many, pain is easier than facing the light of truth to who we really are. You cannot blame anyone else for that...well you can, but we all like to rant about government oppression. I have compassion for those in positions of leadership, for they deal every day with the vicious lack of awareness of the mass of humanity. The mass of humanity would destroy itself and everyone along with it if left to their own devices. I'm not about to join the eugenics campaign myself, but I understand fully why those in the position to do so are pursuing it - and meat, dairy, pesticides and the life destroying principles of most of this societies status quo are all there as markers of our own sleep. Its a very simple equation - choose sleep and suffering will eventually lead you to compassion or chose compassion right from the start and you are there. Every animal is waiting in compassion, for they spiritually know that this is largely about us. There is a very special construct encapsulated within the human beings - while they are lost - all is well...but, they wait reflecting ourselves back to us until we are ready. Until then the animal holocaust will continue to make the human holocaust look insignificant. Every animal that suffers in the name of mis-led human freewill adds more dross to the earth grid, making our ascension more difficult. But that is not a bad thing when the majority shun responsibility, don't want it, and do not want to ascend - it's a convenient and compassionate tool. Every drop of round-up that destroys ecosystems, poisons nervous systems and reduces vibrational frequency adds more dross to the system - but that is the underlying cause - sleep, so why is it bad? It's not - it just is... Hey pigs like to eat stuff in shit before and after rolling in it - it's not bad, just contextual opinion. But lets not mince words... Animal flesh is poison, it kills you slowly and makes you very very profitable and easy to control. Pesticides are poison, and they make your nervous system fit for sleep. Murder of another being is perfect for debilitating the clarity of the earth grid - and you get the karma whether you sliced the throat or paid someone else to rip that cows hide off while he's still alive so the salughter house keeps to time quoter per slaughter - the karma is still yours - perfect for sleep. Vaccination with its cocktail of terror inducing spiritual warfare is just great for the sleep too. My point is that none of this is bad, there is nothing but unconditional free will and acceptance from the "creator" - so it's up to you and you alone. To be or not to be, to sleep or not to sleep, to kill and eat or not to... Who gives a shit! I don't care what anyone else does, judgement is just as sleep inducing... Some people think that writing me writing in broken sentences is annoying and I should use paragraphs - but I really don't give a shit, this is my experience. Some people think you cant get enough protein from fruit and veg - who cares what uneducated sleepy knobs think? Some people even think you cant get enough calories from fruit and veg - snore....... Some people think its great tapping the power of a bulls blood and vampirising it to make them stronger - who gives a flying fuck? Some people think that because the world is so fucked up we should forget living responsibly, and forget even trying to live a healthy lifestyle free of cruelty and toxicity - who gives a shit... And by that, to be clear, I mean we are the prime creator in our universe. It's an illusion that there is any other you are perceiving, its all you - as a means to experience - because without said constructive illusion there would be no experience period. We "fall" into incarnation with a suggestion from our self to ourselves. Some choose to maintain awareness through the process, some choose to live through the senses and let awareness sleep to them. Either way there is still no judgement, and we allow ourselves to be as we will... But that does not mean you cannot change the world....one individual can change everything. Its just that most of us think we need to change the world we see - believing that the hologram is the real world. You need only turn the light around to tap the true power of manifestation - anything else is simple leakage and exceptionally good for inducing drowsiness which begets sleep. So, all judgements aside - is murdering an animal and consuming its toxic flesh filled with adrenaline going to lead toward awareness or sleep. Sound more like a satanic rite than a gastronomic requirement to me...

Thanks but no, truly - with all apparent compassion well and truly in place - let me rephrase that. Enlightenment is what enlightenment is, the construct of ego was no accident and it's not a disease, but a tool of/for experience. Just that we are meant to drive it not the other way around. So, with regard to what you do with your opportunity,let me rephrase it - ZERO FUCKS GIVEN HERE! Why would I give a shit what anyone else does with their individual free will opportunities, when we are all ALL. I don't presume to know what is better for you or any other, none of it matters anyway and there is no judgement from Source, Tao or any other idea of what is. I just know the path that leads to ascension and the disillusionment from ego centered consciousness, I have no conviction that it is the way you or any other should follow... The path of darkness and righteousness all converge to a zero point. Whether you are a knife wielding blood sacrifice enthusiast or a hapless bub, my love is with you always, unconditionally - I am but light.

Oh, that didn't constitute advice. I have no judgement or attachment for whatever you choose.

hehe, quite ENLIGHTENMENT, THE FAST METHOD

Great post Astral Monk! Though, all cheese is fundamentally the same - life destroying SHIT! Along with the cow pus they make it from... AW SHIT! Who invited the VEGAN! LOL