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Interesting...i've not heard this. This description of the light emanating from the heart is spot on from what I have seen in relation to the flame in my heart and the Shen within Upper Dantien. http://www.angelfire.com/vt/OkarResearch/sixlamps.html Thanks for that one, I'll do some homework on that

Thanks Tibetan Ice. Sorry for being an ass the other day, I should be more compassionate I know. I just like to let the monkey off the leash now and then - and then scrape in the darkness to go higher. So, I take responsibility for being so flippant, immature, and arrogant. But, better out than in I say (provided we can whip that shit into gold afterwards ) Yes, but life is full of contradictions - life is one, no? Yes. Well, I've personally had to water everything down when it comes to practices - you picked the right element there So, the OP essentially asked "will meditation alone achieve the special effects?", and to that I still proffer a resounding yes. In the end all of my work keeps coming back to simplicity. I'm hellishly stubborn when it comes to accepting that though. So, to a "beginner" - what else can one do but say yes - the meditation alone is what brings the special effects? That's what brought them for me - the technical stuff largely arose from the meditation, a means to hone, ground and "control" said gifts. So, for me its all about the simplicity of breath, stillness, and the resultant awareness that rises up from the construct. The more I play into the honing, the more it costs me. But, in that price comes stability - temperance. But the last hing I'd tell a beginner is "nope, sorry - its all the complicated mental gymnastics that I do that wins the prizes." Coz, it's not. It's the letting go of self that gives all. So, I made a compromise with myself. To "only work with Siddhis that I have come into direct contact with, and feel it progressional to devote some time to honing". And I do this sparingly. Most of my expereince with Siddhis happens spontaneously, and then I choose to connect the dots to stabilise them to the waking state functionality. But, its retrogressive. for example: I had a "other lifetime" experience with an "immortal assassin" - who had the gift of invisibility like it was easy as walking. It was impressed upon me because my guides had already asked me to be invisible when I do certain earth grid work. So, this Assassin started impressing upon me the process to get to that level of ability with said Siddhi. So, it all comes down to stillness, breath, and the resultant awareness. And then when I get myself "full of qi" and want to hone said Siddhi - I can do it (I can get the cloud of invisibility to engulf both hands so they are not visible, just the akashic cloud can be seen. I'm yet to manipulate the cloud to absorb/reflect the visible environment.) Progress in this is slow - as it chews the juice massively. I get the cold chills and my whole energy body shrivels...and the reason is that I have not done enough stillness, and breathing to really "fill up" (which is an illusion, filling.). So, hone with mental/yang processes, but procure with yin stillness. And to be honest, imho - I doubt that the honing is even required - it just slows you down. But, as I said I let the monkey of the leash until he tires and then I scrape up the darkness, eat it for breakfast, and then get down to the real cultivation with a quiet full bellied monkey. Yes, proof. Well, I'm working on that one - it's not a biggy for me. But, I've been able to consruct multiple perception screens inside - and can feel the bridge to broadcasting that to others. Maybe a few years off that though... But then, seeing is only a type of proof right? Yep, straight up. Pissed me off to no end for a long time that one. Much the same as the waking state - we co-create all of it...right pain in the ass, huh? But then once you learn to attenuate the bs visions (with a little help from yo friends ) from the rest...then the ballpark drops its boundaries and the home runs are a bit tougher to hit out of the park. But then what is really "non-relational reality"? What exists outside the relationship? Only ego separates, no? Best wished Tibetan Ice!

Don't get me started, I totally agree. I'm in the process of working on every fiber of the bodies.. The 13 cranial nerves are amazing to work with energetically...I'm building up my atunement to all parts of the body - and WS is an amazing method to use in doing that. I do TLM on all parts of the body - and it is speeding up my cultivation (and internal/external awareness) hugely.

Yes, I'd agree. But then, I don't stop at brick walls - I just look through them until I can see something. If you travel inside (with mind and emotions) from point to point on the channels - clearing the energies, you start to build up a framework at the emotional and mental levels (off the etheric system). Then you use that framework to replace the skeleton. But, imo, WS gets you seeing the meridians in time anyway if you stick with it.

In the end it does not matter really. All you can do is take responsibility for your own choices, thoughts, words and deeds and rise? As far as being hard done by goes...it's always the case with the high achiever. The darkness is the infinite potential, the raw materials from which we sculpt greatness... The bigger the soul:the bigger their light;The bigger the light:the bigger the darkness;the bigger the potential. So, what whilst thou?

Any activity that builds Shen or builds the ability to meld Shen with Yi, or helps you master Shen based abilities imo is Shen Gong. But be mindful that K'oan based contemplation can cause very serious qi deviations - I'd avoid it completely. Simple Shen Gong = White Skeleton Meditation.

Yes, I'd agree with both of these. Best way to fast track this is a laying down posture. Complete stillness, complete focus. As the body goes to sleep the brainwaves go through Beta - Alpha - Theta - Delta. The more you practice this the better you get at staying awake - mind awake - body asleep. When I do this now I have Shen overlapping outside my head and can see the Sen light flickering around my face/neck - or rather my mind has attuned to the higher vibrational state. When you get there you can meld Yi with Shen and extend the astral tube to what you want to see - or just focus somewhere and go there etc. Stubborn and continual meditation when you are desperately trying to stay awake is good for this too.

Tips: Develop the foundation - Jing, Qi, and Shen. Develop the foundation - Virtue (release all negative emotions & thoughts & deeds) Practice White Skeleton Meditation. Practice attenuation of the optic nerve with eyes down the nose focus. When you feel the whole system is "full" of jing/qi/shen - reverse the focus and take the eyes down the central channel and back up. When you feel the whole system is "full" of jing/qi/shen - try to send the Shen down the front channel. When you feel the whole system is "full" of jing/qi/shen - try to meld your intention (Yi) with Shen (energy in upper dantien) and then with all of your might and intuitive tricks command the Shen to extend the astral tube from pineal to yintang to lower dantien. Also caution that to "fix unwavering concentration on a single part of the body" can very easily create imbalances. With these approaches I have seen inside: meridians, dantiens, fires, bones, muscular tissues, dark matter, qi, jing, shen - and outside: through walls, through the ceiling/roof, up the street, the other side of the planet, other planets, stars, spirits, ET's. But, I'd call myself a natural not an expert.

Thanks for posting this thread. There is not much stuff around on internal vision. I found it interesting that: "An article by Zheng Jingyue, Zhang Jilian "Internal tunnels" can only be seen with "internal vision". This is still true in the modern days. Using the methods of "penetration", "visual dissection" and "micro-vision" by means of the Eye of Wisdom [tian mu or "heavenly eye" between the eyebrows] we could see that the tunnels are actually far from being "tubes". The thinner ones are more like silver silk threads; the wider - resemble the stripes of light. Interweaving, they form a cobweb engulfing all our tissues." imo the nature of the meridians changes depending upon the individual in question being perceived and depending upon the individuals level of cultivation - moreover that it all will become one in time - no meridians and multiple centers - just one big Dan. I have been lucky enough to discover that internal vision (and external vision for that matter) is alive and well for me - even before I have cultivated extensively. And I saw inside myself that the lower burner channel is very tube like - just like a transparent tube water slide. Well, I'd have to unequivocally agree with that, about white skeleton I mean. Since practicing WS Meditation - I have now started seeing into other people's bodies. I recently saw my wife's Lower Dantien glowing in there like a big bright sun. I really find that WS gets you attuned to the bones, and first I find that the feeling sensation of the bones comes through - and then the glow of the bones makes its way into vision. It's like the visualisation acts as a template, and the sensations fill the template until the vision comes through - but really its more like you've used visual sensuality to atune you to a specific dimension - that specific "dimension" that is whatever you are looking at/for. But I feel that the real power of WS is when you let the bones go to dust and blow away. When I do that my whole being clunks - like that bodies parting clunk when you are flung back into your body - that jolt that sometimes happens in meditation. When it clucks like that I feel a number of beams/threads/attachment - and I'm in the process of releasing them. I feel that to be the real power of WS, the non-attachment brings a compassion beyond self that allow your individualised experience to expand beyond its clinging perspective. But, not its not all about meridians - there's heaps of fun stuff in there...fires, dark matter, dantiens, yin and yang qi, different types of qi - the body really is a wonderland. Nice to have a body, nice to let it go.

Well, what is proof though - that's an issue. I have not too long ago completed the trio or internal vision within first the LDT, then MDT, and (some 2 years after LDT) finally UDT. In LDT the Jing was in the form of a round golden disk that glowed - sparks issued from Mingmen behind it and careered through what I feel was lower burner channel, at MDT was a big fat vibrant White flame, and then at UDT was a darker space that was about 4-5% filled at the base with a white flickering light that was fed from the flame below at MDT. The white flickering stuff was Shen, I'm sure of it. What I'm unsure of is the mechanics of how it works that I need very little Shen in UDT in order to activate many abilities. I'm unsure how Yuan Shen operates in relation to this... So, here you go - I have seen it - but have no "proof" - well, proof to me but not you, huh? But imo Shen, Qi, Jing - are all the same substance in different states of transformation. And I'm trying to get deeper insight for comprehension, but I want to say its all soul (but that everything is, everything - just in variant states of being...

This negative mass matter/Xiantian Qi vision that you saw - was it dark matter/black matter with blue coloured "light points"?

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Can you suggest a Source/Bibliography for Planetary/Country based element correspondences and also "it is water (kidney element) that will unblock your acquired mind"? What you've said here is becoming very apparent Gerard.

ok, you're starting to catch on. Though, not reading very well...I did not say he had no technique - I said "The Buddha reached his heights because of the soul that he is, not some technique we can squabble over." The Buddha was/is a very special soul - a soul that from the very dawn of creation ALWAYS chose the light, the "correct" perception in every lifetime. The sum total of these choices bestowed upon him great power and responsibility. It was not his techniques in the lifetime of Siddhartha. Granted he spent many years to come to that conclusion, and it was a very simple technique that was ultimately required to bring him to that. But it was the other lifetimes that created the magnitude of his awareness. If the Buddha were incarnate here upon the earth today, which "he" is - you would not see this soul bending over backwards with technique to attain greatness. "I can tell you have it all figured out by the compassion in your response." One day you might come to the conclusion that there is a difference between compassion, righteousness, and arrogance. When that day comes you might have more compassion for "oversimplified ignorant statements". What is "ignorance" - something a teacher, lineages, or books can destroy? Something "intellect" can quash? Let's continue this chat when you have enough compassion to go and talk directly with said grand soul, then the ignorance will subside. Until then, chill out Tibetan Ice...

Well, that's a good point. What abilities are on your wish list, dc9?

Yeh, I like where you are going with this. Taoism is about balance. The idea that original self is in balance, aligned with nature. You may find the only use for physical exertion to be the balance toward yin to assist in entering stillness in sitting. Or maybe you will find that balance within, its "your" Path. I get the feeling you would embrace 5 Element Tree Qigong too dhiggs...

Why so?

Yes, once the "I" gets bored enough it surrenders to the higher faculties, heh? And once the Shen grows sufficiently the Qi, Jing, and all they support follow suit.

ok then, I'll see you in Buddhahood!

Indeed, there is an "I" if you think there is none in most cases too. You need to round up every thought, word, deed on all concurrent life-times and timelines including the current one - every thought , word and deed that ever thought there was an "I" needs to be audited for you to really have that conviction proper. Then you realise there is still an "I" construct - and then you see it as a tool for experience - rather than who you are.

Nicely said Michael. I think that this is the best method to fine tune - "Next, my patients in that psychiatric practice gave me a chance to practice on hundreds of cases with all the feedback I needed." If you can make it an almost mundane regular pass-time - the "I-Self" get's bored after a while - no longer "dazzled by the lights" - (haha - takes a long while for me ) - and after that it's a tool. Regular meditation, and clearing out your own personal experience is key too.

Well, my first Recreational Vehicle was an old Ferguson Tractor..the "old Fergy"...my Grandpa taught me how to drive it.... lmao - just kidding! I was remote viewing before birth, to be honest. Before I even came into the womb I was purveying it all, and upon entering the womb the whole planet descended upon me with intensity. I'm still clearing and releasing incorrect perceptions from 0-2yrs on a daily basis. After around 2 yrs old the world lumped on me even further as I came into my own auric shell, stepping into independence from my mother's aura. The remote viewing as a constant diminished rapidly during that phase - up until around 27 as the Saturn Return event kicked in/approached. Around that time I started awakening to external visions again. I started seeing people's energy bodies moving out of their physical body showing where their intention (Yi) was heading to and then the physical would follow. I started seeing spirits again. The first time I was sitting in meditation by the bay and decided to pull Miyamoto Musashi up in front of me. He just arose at my will right up through the bay like a floating island dredged up from the underworld - he was a bit pissed at me and made that clear. I took it with more respect from that moment. I trained in Silva Ultra Mind systems after that - and later did some of the Ed Dames remote Viewing training. I then left these techniques behind by and large and steered my efforts more toward cultivating the foundation through meditation. I practiced Zazen for about 6 years, then moved into neigong, and have now moved back toward stillness meditation Longevity Breathing - and working with dantiens and chakras. I discovered that all the techniques fell away once the foundation grew, and the more I cultivate the dantiens, chakras, channels and points, emotions, thoughts etc the more I can remote view in real-time with no process - just directing the mind to the location and purveying it. One of my guides also directs this too - I visit him at a certain hotspot/grid point - back in time, when he is 12 years old - and he holds out a big orb of light to which I peer into - this orb then takes me off to the target location that he wants to show me for whatever given reason. Now, if I go deep I can purvey in full visual without technique, and can do the same in a waking state - but only sometimes is it a full visual - it takes more synergy to pierce the 3d sheath/veil (for now ). But then, there are different levels. I'm now coming to the stage where my soul/spirit runs the show when it comes to what we go and look at. I'll be meditating away on stillness and then start seeing through closed eyes, through the walls, out to nature, watching birds fly over. My vision has at times taken me off to watch other people - driven by my soul rather than personal will. To me it's not a big deal, we are all of it - you just need sufficient compassion to ascend the personal experience.

People reading this will always suggest finding a teacher - to say much more can be dangerous. Is your tongue at the roof of the mouth behind the teeth? How does all of this change if you do it sitting on grass? Its all a question of rooting, balance, and intention. You are playing around with the sexual energy sublimation in ways that masters do, without a solid grounding. If you don't know where you are going any road will get you there. If you ascend said energies the way you are without allowing the time for circulation to balance it you are simply cooking your brain...overloading the Upper Dantien without it having a balance/escape route down to Middle Dantien, Lower Dantien - or perhaps even the Functional Channel. It is essential to balance these energies throughout the system (MCO) and open up the channels - which is what this technique will do. But you need to ground yourself in the safety mechanisms. I'd bail up JoeBlast and Son of The Gods into a corner and press them on this one.... But, I'd had similar - and I've had it go to a level of eye watering disfunctionality - with Qi caught in the head for hours. You need utter stillness "memory energy" to direct any caught energy in the Upper Dantien - you need to get it down the Functional Channel. The MCO is designed to orbit said energy and distribute it to the gland and organs - so that you build from the foundation up - otherwise the pressure of said energy is too much for the undeveloped system and you are top heavy - your brain cooks. You are wise to seek counsel, and you are a natural imo. But that does not mean you can't naturally fuck yourself right up nicely Shortcuts can = retirement.

Curse or no curse, you're playing out the archetypical Scorpion stinging himself. Now, to anyone but a Scorpio - that would be/seem a crazy thing to do right? Maybe, maybe not. The scorpio has a very special ability to not only carry others upon his back, but to feed them osmotically as he does. The scorpio has the very special ability of venturing riiiiight into the darkness, to turn back around and bring out the Gold. So, how does this relate to you life, and life-purpose/soul purpose... Well, only you can conjure that truth to your feet. From where I'm standing it seems you are not cursed, rather in the throws of bringing into fruition the undoing that you have already done in other life-times ie "perpetration life-time" > "undoing lifetime/s" > living the undoing/anchoring (current lifetime). If I am not mistaken you entered a "special" kind family with a dark past/current timeline (entering the darkness) and you are the quintessential spiritual warrior - holding keys to change (bringing out the gold). As far as I can see it, you are right on track... Bring it back to you - the foundation. Enter a quest to master your emotions and thoughts (like you have not already - like you could avoid it with said charts haha! Man, satanic attacks, ET attacks, TTB Troll attack, vipers pretending to be real TTB goer attacks hahaha! The list goes on - the more they throw the stronger and more whole you become, should you choose it - and I see you choosing it. They are all just trying to bring you out of the foundation, away from self, into the fear (Stinging oneself). Bring it back to you - that's where all the power is - making it about them gives them the power (osmotically feeding them). But then, once the Scorpio ascends from the ashes of shame, defeat, and powerlessness (his skin shed) - he rises above them, renewed, Godly - void of self - ready for his destiny. You are the quintessential healer. What degree of love you must bear if you are willing to do this life....come to Illuminate the Illuminators!! We are all family my friend, endless streams of family. If you take each bit of pain and fear, go within and follow it to its root - and, at the root, work with higher self to heal each and every perspective...who can stop you? What have they left that can bring you unstuck? You are their living healing.

Golden!