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Not necessarily! Why not investigate this from the Buddhist perspective? As long as clear understanding is there, there is no issue. This is America where I live and thinking IS encouraged and promoted. Go Ahead Everybody! Stefos

Hi everyone, I found this interesting Thangka of Citti Patti: A male & female skeleton standing on a lotus looking at one another. I immediately thought...Wow, this is very poignant and beautiful. Could someone please assist me in understanding Citti Patti's role in Vajrayana? I can't find much about the pair. Thank you! Stefos

Hi forestofempitness, I understand what you're saying................A book is a book and it CAN work on people actually. However, the best thing is to find a Guru. After all, a teacher is kind of indispensible. Stefos

Dang....I have dreams and I need to gain more control of them. They are not fully under my control....yet.......Muhahahahahahahhahahah (Extended Halloween laugh) Stefos

Hi Rex, Now THAT was a cool post. Thank you sir. Jesus loves you...he really does..... read The Gospel of John Stefos

Hi Wallum, No sir......I haven't personally seen many healings but I was delievered from demonic oppression. Does that count by proxy? LOL........Seriously, I was though. I'll be glad to speak w/you in PM about it. Have a great evening! Stefos

Why hello! What this is about is an extreme form of "direct introduction." It would seem that Gvage Drubtob was a siddha or Mahasiddha thus the wound closing and disappearing. Bottom line: If you haven't heard about a particular person, they could just be crazy and not a siddha or Mahasiddha. Don't believe everything you read or see or hear. Bye Bye now........ Stefos

Hello, Thank you for sharing a question enough to post it online! My intentions were only for the best and to get you out of any hellish psychological things you were/are in. We all have our perspectives. My respect and love go toward you........My contribution to this post is done. Be well and have a great night. Stefos

Hi Songtsan, A suggestion for the future: I think it's best to ask one question at a time, get clarity or others views upon the issue and then move onward to a deeper level if you want and/or need it. My perception of your posts has been this kind of nebulous cloud of free thinking....Perhaps you intend this but it's confusing for a reading to ascertain just what it is your asking! Granted judgement calls must be made due to morals and ethics....Being judgemental is another matter altogether. To my mind, the 2 are different and not the same...qualitatively different. We have all been judgemental as some point in our lives, the point is to understand another's perspective not necessarily agree with it and definitely not be judgemental any longer. My thoughts sir.......Have a great evening and a beautiful tomorrow, Stefos

Hi Nungali, This thread was originally about the desire body and not any Hetero/Homosexual stances I or you or anyone else has/had. I'm not clutching at anything.....You have not examined anything I've presented as a rebuttal to your stance. I refuse to get into any more polemics.........I'm done playing your game. This thread's title is Desire Body, not sex. Thank you and be well! Stefos

You know what? I AM passing judgement and have every right to do so, both as a U.S. Army combat vet and as a citizen of the U.S. and furthermore as a human being. Everyone passes a judgement....sorry to bother you about it....Even YOU do. A judgement is different than being judgemental: the infamous "I am better then him/her" statement... I am categorically not being judgemental on the person....if you noticed.....but upon a school of thought/quasi-spirituality called "The New Age movement." I also simply reinforced, what you stated in your post, in my post. Finally, the so-called "Desire Body" is used in New Age circles but it's actual roots are in Eastern thought such as Advaita Vedanta & Vajrayana & Dzogchen and Mahamudra as well as Theosophy & Anthroposophy. Thank you for trying to throw me under a "guilty as charged" bus, I don't appreciate that. Stefos

As I mentioned earlier, this "lil bit of this and that" mindset in typical of the new age movement: Grabbing at everything but embracing nothing It does take time to intellectually understand the viewpoint of a particular spirituality or any "topic" as it were, even if a spirituality touts itself as being "Sudden" as opposed to "Gradual" Stefos

You are using Wikipedia as a source for cultures embracing alternative lifestyles as if they always did. This just isn't the case. Just because these cultures now acknowledge LGBT's doesn't mean they always did. Many modern authors, for example, want to use the ancient Greek culture as being "Gay embracing." They say that the red pottery found in Greece from Ancient Athens showing older men "fondling" younger men was "normal" back then and openly accepted. The fact is that it was not and the older men who did this to younger men were prohibited from voting in the democratic sessions and were not allowed to own land. Another type of example: The Chinese were originally Monotheistic, worshipping Shang-Ti/Shang-Di, and were not polytheistic nor were they syncretistic. They adopted Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism....those religions were not native to the Chinese but were later developments. Now they are communists who give token respect to Buddhism, Taoism & Confucianism. Please be careful to fully contextualize how cultures across the globe came accept the current standards they now do. To do this requires a LOT of research, not just a rip out of Wikipedia and/or Google and "there we have it," justifying one's position. Thank you, Stefos P.S. A person posted a video on youtube quoting ancient Greek Athenian laws regarding the Greek perspective on homosexuality......here it is:

My statement stands perfectly valid. Judgement calls must be made due to moral & ethical stances one must make. For example, in Buddhist thought although all things are empty this doesn't mean we act unethical or immoral! Did you read what the Thai Buddhist monk told me about "homosexuality/lesbianism/etc."? A person CAN make up their own system of morals & ethics however this is a cause ----> effect ------> cause world. Causation is the hallmark of existence. I hope you are well, Stefos Non-identification doesn't mean we are immoral or unethical. Again, your worldview dictates what is moral & immoral....ethical & unethical. We are not islands but are interrelated with everything hence the term Universe. Just my view.....take care Stefos

Nice one! True.......however in the relativistic sense, language is a needed medium. I don't want anyone here to misconstrue anything..........Please read my "Buddhist intellectualism" post and you'll understand why. Thank you! Stefos

No, I'm not being judgemental either! I'm just offering my 2 cents, so to speak, for her to be out of doubts. That's all......Please don't read anything more into it. My 2 cents: When we apply naked perception, we "see" things a lot faster than by just lollygagging around. If we have questions about a particular teaching, then we investigate it....we don't play intellectual games. We find out and then apply it! If we have questions about anything, we investigate it and come to conclusions, having researched it and by speaking with people who actually "do" it. Thank you and have a wonderful evening, Stefos

Hi, I understand you perspective very well and concur fully.....However: If a person remains in doubt every day about every thing, nothing gets accomplished AND a sense of wasting of time arises too. Very simple. I never anywhere stated that one should blindly believe anything.....ever. Investigation and coming to the best understanding is my policy. Thank you for sharing, Stefos

Hi Anoesjka, I apologize if you took what I had posted as an attack. It was not meant as such. It actually was meant as an encouragement because, for me, existential questions caused me to lose sleep actually. So, to be very clear with you, In my opinion, you should not have doubts about anything but by having used discrimination and Naked perception have arrived at a place of deep peace and a clear conscience. Thank you and I wish only good things for you, Stefos

Hi Anoesjka, Thank you however it really is unmerited! Miss/ma'am, Why do you have doubts every day? (If I may ask and IF you'd like to respond ) Could I suggest that you allow yourself "space' or freedom to question cherished beliefs and/or dogmas? To me, something must be verifiable in actuality to be true otherwise everything becomes one gigantic relativistic mess. For example, Who am I? A name A body with a brain which functions both autonomically (Breathing, Eye-blinking, Heart pumping) & non-autonomically My consciousness put together by thought My past experiences, which if I allow them to, condition my consciousness today Just investigate and see what conclusions you come up with. I send you my well wishes and hope in your investigation(s) actually conclude with concrete answers and don't remain in doubt. Stefos

Hi, The point, miss, to me is that one has got to have a definitive starting point for one's world view or else one has no idea what is "progress" and what is "digression." For example, the "new age" movement is a farce to me. Fairly simple to understand, to me at least. I wish you well, Stefos

Hi Nungali, I just gave my opinions and experiences. I have never said that a person couldn't glean things from different spiritual streams. I'm glad you appreciated the way I worded what I stated to Songtsan. Have a nice evening! Stefos

Hi Songtsan, I've been through sexual trauma myself and can relate to you. It was not of my own doing. To me, if a person wants to cross dress for fun, I have no issues with it! Say "Rocky Horror picture show" anyone? I hope you find what it is you're looking for. This forum is really not the place that can answer your questions as they are currently conveyed. This forum approaches things from an Esoteric/Occult viewpoint. It sounds like you are combining Esoteric/Occult topics with personal issues. Maybe another site is more appropriate for your needs. Take care and my well wishes to you, Stefos

Hi Nungali, I believe that a physical male and a physical female exist to express the Divine nature in different ways. I see nothing wrong with women wearing pants or collared shirts. I do see a problem with men adopting the mannerisms of women and women adopting the mannerisms of men. For me, there is an inherent error in wanting to be another sex other than what one is. For me, therefore, homosexuality/lesbianism/transgenderism/etc. are all perverse. Also perverse are necrophilia and sex with children and sex with animals. I don't know what your spirituality is but I don't endorse "dressing as a god or goddess".......sorry....Perhaps you do. I think a few examples are needed to make my perspective clear: For example (yes, Ex. is the way a person abbreviates the word example): Swamis of the Dashnami order (Who believe in Advaita Vedanta) wear saffron robes both men and women. They don't "dress up like the god or goddess" even if they use Tantric methods like those found in Sri Chakra. Incidentally, Advaita Vedanta has never accepted homosexuality. Buddhist monks and Tantrics wear robes, as do Christian priests or pastors (male or female). The Dalai Lama (current one) said this once: "Traditionally in Buddhism, homosexuality has never been accepted." When I spoke with a Theravada monk at a Thai Wat, I asked him about homosexuality, lesbianism, etc. and if they were part of the Buddhas teachings....He said, motioning a "shoo fly" gesture with his hand in the Thai language, (as I had an interpreter) that those things were "very far away from the Buddhas' teachings." The Bible condemns homosexuality & lesbianism as being perverse. I think that expresses where I stand well enough. Thank you, Stefos

Hi Nungali, I will answer your questions: A. If a particular gender "wants" to be another, first they should define what they mean by "wants" Ex. Does one want to have a sex change? This still doesn't make a person a biological female and is expensive Ex. Does one want to dress as a female? No need to unless one is perverted (My viewpoint) In the mystery schools men did dress as women but for a reason ----> spiritual truths to be displayed via external show B. The point is "We don't need to assert ourselves" This planet is on the brink of nuclear annihilation due to Egos "asserting themselves" No, selflessness is the ONLY solution.........No ego, No problems C. My boundary between "deep meaning" and "silly" is this: Any act or spoken word contains a value set. This value set should be selfless....If not it is selfish. I'm not speaking of food, clothing and shelter......those are needs...a need value set. For me, a spiritual and hence selfless act or word is "deep" Silliness is defined in the dictionary (not trying to be a jerk Nungali but the dictionary definition works for me) Thank you sir or miss or ma'am! Blessings to you Stefos

Thank you for being humble enough to speak openly about intimate things. I appreciate you. I will address these particular points that I've labeled above: A. Whenever you mention a buzz phrase like "desire body" that phrase doesn't exist in a vacuum but was taken from a particular form of spirituality, as I mentioned in my prior post. B. There is nothing wrong with examining how a female would, out of her feminancy, respond to things or act. Living out that response, via lisping or hand gestures and such, is silly and learned. No man that I know has been born lisping like a lady nor making feminine hand gestures. These are all learned behaviors. C. Enlightenment means different things in different forms of spirituality! Research and see what it means in Advaita Vedanta for example D. This statement is vague. Do you mean that an organized or an UNorganized religion is a cage? Do you mean that being a hetero or homosexual man is a cage, whichever way one desires to express sexually? E. Desires, lusts, cravings are 3 different things to my understanding: Desire is a basic want Lust is a craving gone excessive Craving is a repetition of a past experience/desire Defining what we mean brings clarity both to ourselves and to ohers who interface/interact with us. Truly, reality is nothing other than perpetual interaction with everything. Be blessed in Jesus's name Stefos