Swami Jai

I have been doing research for my school on qigong and its benefits in the world of health and I came across this guy who has been doing a lot of interesting studies. Is there anyone here who has experience with this guy or with his work? Also if anyone has any info on scientific studies of qigong that would be really useful in my research. Dr. Yan Xin

okay, so im one of those silent forum stalkers, but in a good way. Anywho, I have been doing practicing Kunlun since I learned a little over a month ago in Maui. I absolutely love the practice as it is just so spontaneous and in accord with natural law. The one thing I have been wondering lately is exactly what is the energy of Kunlun. Max says its not Chi and its not Kundalini, so what is it in taoist tradition. I remember there being something like 3 energies available to man coming from the cosmos, so is Kunlun one of those energies or is it something not really talked about in the old taoist texts? The other question I have for the group is what other kunluners do along with their practice in terms of qi gung and tai chi. Are there any particular styles that you have found correlates with kunlun really well or maybe max has taught you some tai chi for use with kunlun. Last I would like to find out if anyone who is studying with max resides around the Iowa area because Rich will be coming soon to Fairfield, Iowa to do a weekend workshop of Kunlun 1 and probably some other cool techniques. Maybe I'll just make a whole nother post about that.

From what I got from my short time on this forum is that you were a real jewel of knowledge as well as a little bit of that coyote type nature which seemed to add a sparkle amongst many here. Thank you for your time and I wish you and all your students the best of luck. If I'm ever down that way I'll look you up. graditude towards you, jai

Exactly!!! you got it, its all one big cosmic joke. we are all a joke, especially you.

I have a really dear friend to me living in Detroit who has been experiencing really bad abdominal/intestinal inflammation and stomach acid problems probably rooted deep in her energetic systems. She has tried all the modern medicinal approaches but they have not worked, surprise surprise... Does anyone know of any trustworthy qikung practitioners/healers in or around the detroit area? Thank you for your assistance. JaiJai

oh yeah.... www.ic.org also

www.manitou.org I think the catholic monastery you talk about is a carmelite monastery in crestone. Its on the above site. There are a lot of other spiritual communities there that are already formed and are still forming including a Bon Po temple/community.

I was looking at Chunyi's website and couldn't find what you are talking about. I found cds for $25 but they didn't seem like the right thing. Could you provide a link?

did the tantric mongoose leave the building?

This isn't from Max but here at MUM we would call it Natural Law or the Laws of Nature. Its how consciousness interacts with itself to create what is experienced and seen. Getting back to the one law would be getting more in tune with the cycles of nature and the manifestation of creation.

Hey Mantra, what about seated in full or half lotus? Can one do K1 like that. The reason I ask is if you are somewhere without a chair, like in the forest, what can you do? Thanks Chris for your continued assistance

So I started this discussion, which has now evolved into a new being, and would like to lust give what I have learned from here. In order to understand Kunlun, you first have to understand there is nothing to understand. Its is both abstract and orderly in nature. It is truly the path of no more learning. The last thing you learn is that there is nothing too learn, only experience and through that experience we know kunlun. Thank you everyone who has contributed to this discussion even if your only purpose here was to discredit others by trying to tear away their experiences, which is now inherit in their being and permanent in structure. Once you have the experience and let your mind settle down from all the excitement from the experiences than you naturally fall out of understanding and become standing. know.ledge- a ledge of experience under.standing- standing under the ledge of knowledge. be knowledge. live in the light

I've been wondering and looking into darkness retreats. Does anyone have experience with Chia's retreat or any other forms of extended darkness retreats?

so about 6000rmb is about 850$ a month? Do find that is enough to get by with extracurricular activities and food?

SUPERSTAR???

no offense taken and yes if i did here it from max maybe I might know differently but until then thats what I think went down and thats my own opinion..... Max on Holidays....... anywho I will say it now, dont believe a word I say

All people do is speculate, and its your speculation that I am speculating and now I'm making a speculation that you were speculating that I was speculating. See I can go on and on forever. Thats why its better to call it opinions and feelings. This was more along the lines of gut feelings that I share with the rest of the group. I wasn't saying that this is how it is and everyone should believe me, but that this is how I feel about what happened in that event and it resonates with me. sorry if I came across assertively. And yes, in the field of all possibilities we can do both.

tru dat

I found this interesting, even though I'm taking it out of context I just want to point out the humor found within it. I thought it was funny how some complain at the price of kunlun workshops than some complain about things that are free. Oh Joy

I think that was a bad description of what happened. I don't feel he faked his death but just decided to take a vacation from everything. I think you ALL know how that is when you just need to get away from it all and go on an adventure. He turned into his light body and left for a little bit and then he came back. Thats what people do on vacation, its not stupid to come back to be with your family

As said above, ganesha is the remover of obstacles along your spiritual journey. He is the son of Shiva whom cut his head off as a little boy since he never had seen him before. Thats why he has an elephants head because shiva had to go find the first animal and ask for its head for his son. There are Pujas you can do for him and reading certain vedic scripts help bring those qualities of consciousness into your being. There is also a ganesha yantra that you can do concentration type meditation on it also benefiting from the qualites of lord ganesh. He is also very friendy and loves to party and have good time.

This is a long article but extremely interesting. Is there anyone with insider information on this? Dorje Shugden is the name of a Buddhist Dharma-protecting deity. One may wonder about the reasons for calling an organisation with the name of a deity. It is a bizarre and unprecedented incident in the Tibetan exile community in connection with this deity that led to the founding of our society. In Tibet and the first decade in exile His Holiness Dalai Lama used to regard this deity as a benevolent, reliable, and efficiently helpful protector in times of need. In an unimaginable change of attitude, His Holiness turned to regarding the very same deity as most harmful demon, endangering his very life, and responsible for everything that goes wrong about Tibet. With His Holiness' displeasure being deliberately kept in growth for 20 years by some in his close circle, it finally culminated in public denouncement of the deity and its devotees on March 1996 during the spring session of public teachings at Dharamsala with most blunt phrases like: "If you people want me to be damned and do not care about Tibetan freedom, you go ahead worshipping that evil spirit." This provocation immediately triggered an unprecedented discord in the Tibetan community. After that very teaching-session two young nuns from the Tibetan Gelug nunnery in Dharamsala took first action to destroy a holy statue of this very deity in their own temple, by tearing the earthen image filled with many dharanis and sacred blessings received from His Holiness and his two most venerable tutors to ground, stamping on it and throwing it in the garbage. This was the starting point of a massive, worldwide campaign against this deity and its devotees, conducted by the exiled Tibetan government. Although this government claims to represent a democratic system on the base of a democratic constitution, which in its original version assures its subjects all the human rights including the right of faith, the denouncement by His Holiness was immediately followed by the exile government taking this issue as a most important policy, which was implemented by calling for signature campaigns in the monasteries and communities worshipping this deity. In 1996 representatives of the government were sent to the three great Gelug monasteries, Sera, Drepung, and Ganden in South India, and created there a tense and suspicious atmosphere, similar to the public accusation meetings conducted by the Chinese in Tibet during the cultural revolution. All the monks were called for meetings in their temples and were forced to choose between His Holiness Dalai Lama or the deity Dorje Shugden. Many out of sheer anxiety and respect for His Holiness gave their signature in favour of His Holiness. Others, who were more thoughtful, showed their reluctance and withdrew from signing, some declaring such a choice to be as impossible as a choice between one's two parents or one's two eyes. However, those declining the signature found themselves labelled as traitors and anti-Dalai-Lama-individuals from the very next day on. From then on up until now this campaign for the annihilation of the name of Dorje Shugden has continued in constantly increasing ardour year by year, with destruction of texts and holy images of the deity in many places. Absurdly enough, in this frenzy of destruction it was sometimes the 'wrong' image that got extinguished, and even His Holiness the Dalai Lama once had to excuse himself after giving a heavy scolding at Sera Me monastery about a small painting, he thought to depict Dorje Shugden, while it was 'just' an image of another one of many deities looking similar. There are a number of protecting deities wearing a golden hat and riding on a lion. In such a desperate situation the creation of our organisation became indispensable. Of course, it is not our aim to save the enlightened deity from any harm, but our aim is to help many thousands of people from becoming a victim of discrimination, injustice, and deprivation of their basic human rights. Moreover, all the profound religious practices related to this deity have been bestowed upon us, along with the precious transmissions of all aspects of the Buddha's teachings by our great masters, such as His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang, one of the two great tutors of His Holiness Dalai Lama, to whose kindness all Tibetans of our time are immeasurably indebted. In order that these masters' valuable contributions for the Dharma and the sentient beings may not be misjudged, distorted, or erased, it was agreed by the devotees of Dorje Shugden in India, Nepal, and abroad, to establish this society. Our organisation has no financial, political, or sectarian objectives of any kind. It is our innermost sincere wish to maintain a wholesome and harmonious relationship with all beings, with all religions, and in particular with all fellow Buddhists, regardless of their traditions. Since the founding of this organisation, with all sincerity and great hope, have we presented appeals to His Holiness and the concerned offices, humbly requesting consideration for our situation, and to allow us to continue our prayers and devotions as in the past generations and centuries. Our organisation, as well as other individuals and groups, such as the council of Gelug teachers in Europe, have also requested audiences with His Holiness in hope for a dialogue on this issue. However, to everybody's great disappointment, such requests were harshly turned down, as if our persons and petitions were completely unworthy of any attention. We have also approached the dignitaries of our own monasteries for their mediation. While many of them were deeply worried about the situation, none had the courage to challenge the infallibility of our Dharamsala administration, the exile government. Very sadly we also had to notice that many were more concerned about their positions and careers than the destiny of the actual practice of the Dharma. Some concerned abbots tried their best to downplay this issue in their monasteries, which reduced escalation temporarily. At a meeting we had organised in Delhi, abbots of Sera, Drepung, and Ganden have agreed to request an audience with His Holiness to discuss the issue. But it was denied like all other requests. Thus every genuine effort of solving this problem in an open, wise, and honest manner, before it escalated to the present level, was turned down. His Holiness continued his antagonism towards the deity, fuelled by ill-intending informants in the guise of oracles, disciples, and favourites, and expanded the campaign against Dorje Shugden worldwide. Almost in all the public teachings of His Holiness in the East and the West he raised this point and vehemently blamed the deity and its adherents. Thousands of Tibetans, against their own will, are banned from attending his teachings and initiations on the ground of lacking "pure samaya" (spiritual bonds), while non-Buddhists and atheists are most welcome. Many Buddhists abroad, who came to the speeches of His Holiness, generally containing the message of peace, tolerance, oecumenical dialogue, and universal responsibility, met with a disappointing surprise in the concluding session, which mostly contained the statements on Dorje Shugden. This is indeed deeply regrettable at a time of international recognition of His Holiness and the spreading of his holy name. Moreover, it is most heartbreaking that the Tibetan administration has used all their misplaced methods and efficiency to transport this unfortunate problem back to our homeland Tibet. Our brothers and sisters, having gone through unimaginable sufferings and bans during many decades in the hands of the Chinese, at last have had a chance to breathe some kind of religious and economic freedom and were in an elated state of rebuilding temples and worshipping their lamas and deities happily and harmoniously. By instigation of the exile government such hearsay as "the deity Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit causing harm to the life of His Holiness and preventing Tibetan freedom" was spread, which created new suspicions in the minds of many, leading to new conflicts and dissensions in the population. Such accusations we regard as particularly ill-intended and deceptive, since the well-publicised policy of the exile government for the future of Tibet says: "It is most profitable to live in the great family of China" - and Tibetan independence is declared as an outdated objective. During the past 12 years, step by step, more and more restrictions were implemented in the exile Tibetan community for all those adhering to this deity. The exile government did not spare any efforts to shape public opinion by spreading any kind of allegations against Dorje Shugden adherents, thus marginalizing this group of citizens and gradually making them an outcast society. There have been many cases, where children at school and people at their work faced expulsion, or harassment up to the point of no return. Disharmony was spread in all levels of the society, down to the splitting of families. The exile government introduced a vocabulary that had never before occurred in the history of Tibet: In this new division the Tibetan people are now classified as a 'clean' and an 'unclean' category, a term which never even the Chinese had thought of using. The most targeted victim of this situation are the monks of the three great monasteries, Drepung, Sera, Ganden, and the colleges Gyutoe and Gyume, the very centre of Tibetan Buddhism and the Gelug tradition. It is a strange twist of fate that these monasteries have a traditional, age-old link of loyalty to the Tibetan government. And now they are the subjects on whom the Tibetan government can exercise their full power without need for any restraint or conformity. The so-called Gelug-council was repeatedly summoned in Dharamsala where the issue of the ban on Dorje Shugden was treated as the central theme. Abbots and representatives of the monasteries were expected to give their signatures on predetermined resolutions. Some of the leading figures, like the head of the Gelug, HH the present Ganden Tripa, are deeply concerned about the discrimination and schism in the tradition but could not prevent to sign due to the persistent admonishing of the Dalai Lama and lack of backing from other participants. Unhappily, left with no other choice but to sign, Tri Rinpoche emphasised that his signature was not given in his function as Ganden Tripa, but on the private bases of a simple monk only. In such proceedings resolution after resolution with new rules and regulations were imposed on the monasteries, which are all aimed to turn life impossible for all those, who do not comply with the deity-policy of the Tibetan government. Signature campaigns and swearings in front of various deities were newly introduced for the first time in the history of Tibet - now this belongs to the order of the day. It is heart-breaking for many unbiased observers, to see how learned monks, well trained and skilled in philosophy and dialectics, have to engage themselves in such weird actions as swearing with loud voice in the name of one particular deity, declaring their abandonment of yet another deity. However, due to the steadfast faith and commitment of many monks in these monasteries, this clean-up-campaign has never been brought to a state regarded as satisfactory by exile government. This year the regular winter-logic-session was stirred up by a handful of politically active monks of Sera in a well-planned strike. These monks refused to participate in the great debate sessions, claiming themselves to be 'clean' and therefore not willing to debate with 'unclean' ones. The monastic authorities handled the affair in a wise and rightful manner and managed to temporarily calm the discord. However, most astonishingly, two weeks later His Holiness the Dalai Lama, at the occasion of public teachings and the inauguration of the new temple of Drepung Loseling monastery vehemently scolded the monastery authorities and discipliners for calming the escalation and gave his full support to the instigators. At the same occasion the prime minister of exile government, Samdong Rinpoche, openly accused Dorje Shugden devotee's as Chinese spies, as a danger to his own life and a danger to the life of His Holiness. With his usual puffed up rhetoric he aimed at distracting the Tibetan people's attention from Tibet's real problems and the government's failure of little by little having lost ground in the struggle for the Tibetan cause. The tactics of provoking the public's negative sentiments against our own people didn't produce the desired effect. It seems the audiences are by now fairly used to these routines. For the great monasteries however, the exile government was decided to put into effect the Last Judgement this time, obliging the monasteries with a cunning threat to hold once again a swearing process, this time in a triple act: filling forms and signing, swearing in the name of gods, and dropping vote sticks (a misplaced Vinaya-tradition). In this triple process the monks had to verify that they would forever give up Dolgyal (Dorje Shugden) and cut all their ties and relations, on a spiritual as well as a material level of everyday life, with anybody still adhering to Dolgyal. The monastic authorities were openly urged to make sure, that this swearing process will not look like a proceeding organised by the government, but rather a volunteer engagement of the monastic public itself. Thus representatives of the government refused to attend personally, even when invited. In all three great monasteries, as well as in some smaller Gelug-communities in the vicinity, each and every house had to participate in these rallies. The local Indian police had also been called under the pretext, that violent interference from the Shugden devotee's was to be expected. However, our monks both in Ganden and Sera remained calm and undisturbed in their own departments, engaged themselves in prayers, and did neither swear nor sign. Fifteen monks of the Serkong-department of Ganden Jangtse have been officially expelled from the monastery due to these proceedings of the exile government. The great majority of monks from Dokhang department of Ganden Shartse and Pomra department of Sera Me, numbering all together about one thousand, have refused to participate at the swearing, therefore their destiny now is quite uncertain. However, those venerable monks are Tulkus, Geshes, scholars, meditators, and monks fully dedicated to the service of the monastery. All of them, along with the young aspirants, have decided with one heart to face any challenges and hardships for the sake of upholding the teaching of the fully enlightened Buddha Shakyamuni, and the tradition of the great masters, such as the two great elucidators Nagarjuna and Asanga, and Atisha Dipamkara Sri Gyana, and omniscient master Je Tsongkhapa up to the great masters of our time, Phabonka Dechen Nyingpo, Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang, Kyabje Zong Dorje Chang, and many more. Even at the cost of their life these monks would never see faults in the teachings of those great masters, and would maintain their faith in the protector Dorje Shugden, who has been clearly recognised by the great Sakyapa masters as an emanation of compassionate Buddha Avalokiteshvara, and by the most outstanding great masters of our tradition as an emanation of Vajrapani, and in particularly as an emanation of Manjushri, the very wisdom of all the Buddhas, Our organisation, with deepest respect to all our masters of the past and the present, shares full sympathy with all those courageous monks and people, who have unbelievably become a victim of injustice and discrimination without transgression of the slightest precept of the Dharma and rules of the world. We hope this meaningless dissension will soon be brought to an end in a just manner, fully in accordance with the principles of the Dharma and the code of society. We also place our hope and full confidence in the unbiased judgement of the law and the people of this great nation of India, as well as the entire free world. Delhi, February 2008

I would be generalizing if I stated it as a fact, I wanted to make it clear these are just my ideas and not a news report from CNN. I remember seeing something in the National Economist (American Magazine about politics and economy) about the average percentages of beliefs in China and the atheist population majorly out weighed the buddhist population, but I can't remember all the exact details or what exact issue it was in so thats why its totally a thought on the wind that became snagged on a tree branch of mind. As for the other stuff I dont know how else to explain it. Buddhism is more subjective while the Chinese economy is more objective. I think thats the best way I can break it down. Being more objective is being more worldly, which shugden sounds like a worldly entity and maybe thats why it is so big in the Panchen Lama movement in China right now. And yes, its all very strange

Yeah I understand that but they do believe in consciousness as the means of everything, don't they? There still is this idea of a spiritual like heaven and high beings who exist there in their practice, right? And the Chinese are more mechanical and scientifically thinking and dont believe in reincarnation and higher states of consciousness and definitely dont believe in any form of Heaven. At least this is what a majority of the Chinese people believe. I'm just guessing though....

Thanks Hagar have you watched this video of his? This is the first video made by Zhixing Wang in 1990, and it has sold over 5,000 copies among Hua Gong practitioners. Zhixing is well known for his healing ability. There are many successful stories resulting from the use of this video. Many people use it to promote self-healing by watching it regularly. It sounds interesting but it also sounds like it has really high claims of power. Have you had any experience with it?