Antares
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Ayurveda stands for going to bed 2 hours prior to astronomical midnight. As only this time our mental state of mind rests. And to wake at 4-5 a.m. for practice yoga and meditation. At the same time according to taoist perspective this is one of the best time to practice. Any clever thoughts on it? What time are you going to bed? I am striving for going to bed at 11 pm but it is real challenge as another people in my house not sleeping till very late. But I noticed it is better to go to bed earlier. But might be practicing at midnight has it's benefits?
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I see. But we have to always remember that spiritual development is covered by thousands of misconceptions. But not that many people have reached it in their own lifes. Can you build your own atomic power station or your own cosmic shuttle and fly to the Orion on it? Why you think that Alchemy is anything easier? There are tons of books about "spiritual " methods but this is only human thoughts on the subject. I would advise to read authentic literature on the Taoism, Wuzhen Pian for example. Genuine Taoist Tradition is based on the theory of 5 elements and I ching - The book of Changes. Authentic Taoist methods are based on the principle of the "heart to heart " transmission. In general if we talk about development there are two main methods of it: qigong - the method of onward perfection and neidan - the method of reverse perfection. http://all-dao.com/difference-qigong-alchemy.html Practices akin to M. Chia's stuff are qigong only. People who teach qigong and meditations teach qigong only but they might call latter as "internal alchemy". Everything what uses breath, vizualization and meditation is qigong only and it can not help much in spiritual realization and it is even considered to be harmful even if it would give some unusual effects. In general alchemical practices work with different channels and breath and vizualization are never used in it. We can only get transmission in order to practice right and I believe that only practices of this kind can lead to the real health and enlightenment. All these stages are fixed and have certain exact achievements what they call as four stages of immortallity. But there are few schools within LongmenPai school which began to use meditations and loads of onward methods. Unfortunately I can't comment it but you have to ask them if they teach the methods which nourish Ming - the primordial Essense of a body. There are many schools which use onward methods but calling it "internal alchemy". There are hundreds of secondary shools even in China and many teachers say that they teach neidan and belong to a authentic school. But authentic methods are very very rare to find even in China. The head of our center Dmitry Artemyev was lucky to meet the authentic patriarch of WuLuiPai The Teacher of Single Yang in China after many years of search in China. We have hundreds of students in qigong, neidan and internal martial arts. So I just want to put it clear that the information I disclose here is coming from very authentic sources and is based on over 20 years research in our center. Please do not accept it as a wish to argue with somebody or insult someone. -
OK, but I can't make it out who told you that it is "taoist method"? Any link to the authentic text or school? You can't seem to realize the main issue here - there is NO system, NO people who got realization in this system, NO authentic teacher, NO authentic methods which were mentioned in taoist scriptures. There are loads of methods that are just made up by people who have no connection to the authentic taoist methods. How it leads to any solid results? I already said before that in authentic schools there are fixed stages and fixed methods in practice. Nothing like "internal smile" or in it. This is something from psychotherapy might be I dont know
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But why you think I have to read it? There are loads of information in books, booklets and websites. I do not mind you read it, that' fine. I have few methods to practice and I consider few more to be engaged and I am struggling to find time for all this stuff honestly. I only advise to be careful with doubtful sources and not to practice it on your own. Even meditation which people consider to be very useful for enlightenment. I give you simple example. I visited few seminars on qigong and alchemy last few months and I tought I got everything clear and that I did everything right. But every time I realized that it was coming only from my considerations and in general these methods never have been disclosed in popular literature or video. People always consider something to be right out of their considerations which are often limited. Even to practise some forms of qigong right we need to have some standards how it must be practiced right. I do not even consider how far certain method is authentic and how it can really help. I did read Mantek Chia books few years ago and I tried something out of it. But now I have authentic methods and I can say it has nothing even similar with Mantek's stuff. Today I stumbled upon a review on the web where a man shared his experience of one year training in school of qigong similar to M. Chia and how he got deviations out of this practice (which is very popular in mainstream - seated meditaion) and then he found authentic school and method and felt much better after few months of practice and even it was proved by a medical check he did. There are many subtlities in practices which we might be not aware of and there are very much of distinctions in techniques which are coming from genuine Chinese masters. There is difference between qigong and alchemical methods - channels which they effect and the way how it is done. That' why transmission is very crucial factor here. Such practices are not disclosed in books and they would not work well without transmission. It's better to find internal MA master within authentic lineage. There might be a few alchemical methods which might give you a lot of benefits. Sorry if I am wrong in grammar
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I have dicided to create new topic as moderators are very unhappy when I post about this subj in other topics regarding taoist schools. I was advised to create my own topic. I will answer here some other posts from another threads. Vitaly said: What is not true? http://www.wudanggongfu.com/kungfu/master.htm Born in 1971, Master Yuan Xiu Gang, a Daoist priest (Daoist name Shi Mao), is the 15th generation disciple of Wudang SanFeng Sect. This lineage dates back to the 14th century when Zhang San Feng became enlightened by the Dao and created Taijiquan. Master Yuan has loved martial arts since his early childhood. At the age of 7, he started basic physical training in wushu, and at 16 he studied Shaolin wushu for 3 years. As a result of his increasing skill in gongfu, understanding of internal martial arts, and enthusiasm for Daoism, in 1991 he went to Wudang Mountain, the reknown center of Daoism and internal martial arts. Master Yuan was fortunate to be accepted as a disciple by the great Master Zhong Yun Long. Since then, Master Yuan has been practicing internal gongfu like TaiJi, Qigong, XingYi, BaGua, and meditation. In 1994, Master Yuan was selected by the Wudang Taoist Association for Taoist Wushu Performance Team, and initiated into the Purple Heaven Palace, the largest Daoist temple at Wudang. With the blessing of the Chairman, Master Yuan joined the circle of Daoist culture. Since then, Master Yuan has furthered his practice of Daoist philosophy and internal gongfu. As a member of the Taoist Wushu Performance Team, Master Yuan has traveled to various places in South East Asia to demonstrate Wudang gongfu. He has also represented Wudang when receiving high-level Government officials and celebrities from other countries in their visit to the Daoist mountain. I can see nothing about alchemy on his official website. This is typical school of qigong and MA. I personally respect qigong masters and methods and this thread is not against them but only to clarify the confusion.
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The task here is to stop spreading misconceptions about authentic taoism.
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This is not my view but view of three authentic lineages in China. Where was I insulting someone? Any facts which you can prove of the exception you call me troll? Is not it insulting me personality? Which authentic sect you belong to judge me? Why are you not warned to stop insulting me? If you yourself can prove your statements regarding taoism with reference to authentic lineage I will apriciate it.
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Trolling is not acceptable term in this case. I always prove my words. I respect all authentic masters in qigong/alchemy/MA. But Vitaly is a special case. You would understand me better if you speak Russian and could read all information about his activity. If I would disclose all this information about this case it would take much time and moderators will ban me again. There are few taoist forums in Russia akin to Tao Bums and all of them have certain opinion - this is self claimed "master" from unknown school in China.
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Probably I am talking to a teenager. I have only disclosed some information for those who ready for serious things in their lifes. I understand that some part of this information can be used for wrong things and that not everyone can accept it. It happened in all times when pure Tradition came out from underground. This is not for everyone. I am confused when hear such words that come from someone's mouth. Probably this is just not for you. As I said before one must have the fate to get right methods. Most of people are not ready for it
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All instructors can see the energy and able to do corrections out of this, that' most wonderful thing I noticed for myself. Even if a student was slightly tensed in some parts of the body. Also it changes the mind and soul, they become healthy and general wellbeing is increased. Sensation of harmony is the most important. All extra ordinary abillities are considered to be like flowers on the road, the geneal and only the goal - the spiritual immortality
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In pure alchemical methods the theory and methodology of WuXing are used. The stucture is: Water -> Wood -> Fire-> Earth-> Metal Each method correlates with certain organ and pre heaven channels. This is practiced not for nourishing yuan qi yet but for balancing organs and building pre heaven channels which must be built for the further goal of nourishing yuan qi. Because when people are aging their prenatal channels are weakened and illnesses are coming. Qigong does not work with these channels. This theory and methodology I am getting in YuXianPai school where people are getting very good results .
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Wuxing strengthens more physical organs and strengthens post heaven qi. It can balance something and imbalance something at the same time. It does not work with Ming but can be good as initial method on the initial stage. But this is not a method for itself. As I mentioned there are fixed methods for every stage in neidan but there are no fixed methods for realization in qigong. They can give out some theory on this but as I believe it is corrupted methods. The difference is in the structure of exercises and the level they work with our energy. Also it can be even harmful when the lineage is not authentic. There are many qigong systems which can connect person to some egregor which is fed up by practitioners energy giving them some sensations.
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Qigong works with post heaven qi. This is akin to row in a current. Neidan works with pre heaven qi. This is akin to row against the current. The fiture of Neidan is to reverse the process of the "bear - life - death". A person "consists of" Ming and Xing when born. Ming is the vital energy of a body. Xing is the soul. Yang and Yin. Soul is very Yin without energy Ming. When Ming is gone a person dies. This happens when a person goes in the current of the Nature. Qigong does not work with Ming. Neither meditation does it. The fiture of a aclchemical method is to join Ming and Xing. It has stages in alchemy. There is a method for each stage in alchemy. What qigong does not have in its method. Qigong is good as preparation method for alchemy but it's not a part of Taoist school. Alchemical methods were invented in the Past when people where much more balanced and there was not necessary to practice qigong. Nowadays most people need to practice qigong prior to practicing Neidan in order to bring more balance to mind and body for the ability to practice Neidan. But Taoist schools do not have qigong as method. It could be some MA forms which saved in some Taoist sects but all of them are alchemical and far not what you can encounter on the market as qigong or just callisthenics.
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You do not have transmission in authentic taoist school and I undesrstand where your confusion is coming from.
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Here is he says something about "internal alchemy": http://www.wudanggongfu.com/kungfu/meditation.htm Meditation can belong to the alchemical method but only on the final stage of alchemy. In authentic alchemical methods meditation in the beginning is prohibited and cannot be alchemical method for itself. Also it can cause deviations in newbies. The explanation is very easy - most of people are in yin state; meditation increase yin and movements increase yang. Also it does not mean that when someone does qigong movements or MA forms he/she does alchemical methods. "Stillness and movement" is not sign of a alchemical method. Latter one is very much about connection to the authentic lineage and its energy. That' the crucial point. Qigong and alchemy work with different channels and absolutely not equal. Before doing meditation practitioner must harmonise energy of a body using alchemical method which opens up prenatal channels and then nourishes prenatal qi. Qigong and mediataion have nothing to do with it.
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Daoist school Zhen Dao Pai: video and photo; training in London.
Antares replied to Vitalii's topic in Daoist Discussion
In alchemy there is another principle in training. As I already mentioned this training goes from inside out. This is not as it is in yoga for example or in bodybuilding. First of all we will have to work with energy and then energy build the structure of a body. It could be tree stance or slow movements which effect energy channels. We will have to bring to the balance thoughts, energy and spirit. But it is done not through external body work out in alchemy. This is fiture of the alchemical methods. It is difficult to explain to people who know a very little about alchemicals methods as people compare things on the basis of their limited knowledge. And other people can use it giving them corrupted methods. -
Daoist school Zhen Dao Pai: video and photo; training in London.
Antares replied to Vitalii's topic in Daoist Discussion
I have to post again only for clarification. Wudang is the name of mountains. It is not school. Nowadays many people use this name and there are dozens of qigong systems which use the name of Wudang. Also there are dozens of qigong systems which refer to Wudang. Longmenpai is like trademark nowadays which is used to draw people who pay money. But this is qigong. If you go to their website and examine it you will see they teach qigong and MA ONLY -
Daoist school Zhen Dao Pai: video and photo; training in London.
Antares replied to Vitalii's topic in Daoist Discussion
My Friend, it will be my last post in this thread. Wu Xing Gong is Qigong which can not be a part of any Taoist school. Qigong is corrupt method which derived from alchemical methods. If anyone says to you that qigong is part of Taoist schools it means you encountered wrong teacher. As simple as that -
Daoist school Zhen Dao Pai: video and photo; training in London.
Antares replied to Vitalii's topic in Daoist Discussion
Yes, it can be used in MA training but HOW these videos of Xinqyi and Taichi warm ups correlate directly with alchemical practice? Which school of alchemy is it coming from? -
Daoist school Zhen Dao Pai: video and photo; training in London.
Antares replied to Vitalii's topic in Daoist Discussion
I pay attention to the name of the thread where you mentioned daoist school . First of all taoist people practice alchemy and any martial training is not to be practiced. You post videos of physical training here in MA. In alchemy training internal power is coming from inside out and not other way around! Otherwise it will be external training. -
Daoist school Zhen Dao Pai: video and photo; training in London.
Antares replied to Vitalii's topic in Daoist Discussion
Physical exercises in Alchemy? This is nonsense. It has NOTHING to do with school of alchemy. -
I did not. I do not trust practices pointed out in doubtful sources. What is the lineage of Mantek Chia? What school does he belong to? What is the next level after his MCO practice? Who got results? But I heard about many people who got bad side effects having practiced his practices. At this time this is my policy to practice authentic stuff. Why to waste time for something doubtful?
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I am not sure yet honestly but they say that both of them are effective because they are schools of "internal alchemy". But Wu Lu Pai is more effective - it' like a rocket but it' only for very serious people. Wu Lu Pai begins from the Ming restoration and its path is very suitable for people living in society and I believe that YuXianPai path was more for people who adhered monastic path and they began from Xing methods. Nowadays YuXianPai begins from Xing methods as well but Xing and Ming are not something separate. In general in WuLu method is more "straight" but difficult to maintain practice so it' far not for everyone. Even for people who live in Russia and CIS. It' entirely depends on who you are yourself. Some people have very good effects from Juiyangshengong (Wu Lu' initial method) even in the very beginning, some people get it later. These schools are interrelated and many students practice both schools bc of it alchemical engine. Juiyangshengong is practiced by the people from YuXian school and WuLu' people practice methods from Yuxian school to cleanse organs and in order to bring balance to the mind and body. Even these initial methods are worth to practice till the end of life. Even only Juiyangshengong is very powerful method bc it works with prenatal channels. The effect is not in kind of visions or what else people can expect but in balancing mind and body and it can take couple of years to realize that you have changed. We have to realize the difference between qigong methods and alchemical ones. But we practice qigong as well in both schools for the purpose to harmonize mind to prepare for the alchemical methods. In June they hold intensive seminar near S-Petersburg where there will be a lot of mentioned practices and also there will be one in China. Not many instructors speak English there as they learn Chinese. So I am not sure how they can deal with English speakers. If there are people who interested I can ask them as I am in Russia now and going to see them often.
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Wu Lu Pai is very closed and very hard to practice IN LIFE. It maintains strictly traditional approach which is based on the relation teacher - student. Every student must practice in a group very diligently. Must practice every day and attend all classes. Far not for everyone but it' fastest path in alchemy. First stage in it is spontaneous yangshengong. (far not qigong as it openes up preheaven channels). YuXianPai is less strict and more open for everyone. Less responsibilities and can be practiced apart from a group but it would be more powerful when practiced in a group. More personal freedom. Based on initial methods of cleansing organs beginning from kidneys. It works with preheaven channels as well and is not qigong. On second stage practitioner would replenish prenatal qi. In both of them a person must be initiated.
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Yes, it's better to do it under constant supervision and initial stage of the qigong practice is about 6-12 months. Also you can get first initial method of YuXianPai school for kidneys which is half way alchemy practice. It' up to you how often you would be able to come to Russia. They hold summer intensive seminars for 7 days which cover a lot of practices including baduanjin and yijingjin plus alchemy methods of YuXianPai plus jiuyangshengong. This stuff is already very powerful stuff. So you could visit Canadian instructor and then attend one of the 3-7 days seminars which are held quite often. Some instructors come from Siberia, for example. This solution is not the best one but also you can go to China with them if you are committed in it. This would not be cheap for you but this is not cheap even in China for local Taoists. And may be even more expensive. they position is that dedicated practitioner should have active life position and is supposed to earn enough money. Taoisim is "yang" teaching. It is far not as it is Buddhism or Yoga.
